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She's probably concerned for her safety because a bunch of democrat leaning people think she's a russian plant and that she will interfere in the next election. In my opinion.
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RealityWarCriminal posted:She's probably concerned for her safety because a bunch of democrat leaning people think she's a russian plant and that she will interfere in the next election. In my opinion. If this was her concern she's done a horrible job of proving them wrong, what with fleeing to Russia in the middle of their invasion of Ukraine and then accusing Biden of preparing to steal the next election.
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May 30, 2023 22:07
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None of this invalidates her previous allegations against Biden but I don't think we need to take her new allegations at face value either.
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haveblue posted:Still worth asking why she thinks the risk has only become unacceptable now and not at any other point in the past three decades It seems pretty obvious that she's a vulnerable person being taken advantage of, like it's probably not that she independently came to these conclusions she's probably involved with people who have convinced her this is what's going on She's clearly not some mastermind, this seems pretty likely to be the case
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May 30, 2023 22:18
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Yawgmoft posted:Uh does this mean there is a possibility that Biden's sexual assault allegation was a Russian psy-op? Anything is possible, but considering there's evidence that she was privately making allegations about Biden back in the 90s, it would be a hell of a long play.
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May 30, 2023 22:19
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Levitate posted:None of this invalidates her previous allegations against Biden but I don't think we need to take her new allegations at face value either. Pretty much. After getting treated like she did by a deluge of team blue people, and the only people that wanted anything to do with her being right wing shitheads after the primary, it's not terribly surprising this is the result.
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RealityWarCriminal posted:She's probably concerned for her safety because a bunch of democrat leaning people think she's a russian plant and that she will interfere in the next election. In my opinion. Huh? She specifically singled out feeling threatened from Biden (and the DNC), not random non-politicians who think she’s a Russian plant
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Until something meaningful comes out of the accusations (like, say, evidence) then as far as I'm concerned this really isn't any different from someone on a street corner with a cardboard sign proclaiming the end is nigh. She just has more resources (somehow or other) to go through with "defecting" and it would not surprise me if there was one or more enablers that were pushing her towards this outcome. But, again, until some actual evidence or proof of anything comes out, I don't care.
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May 30, 2023 22:22
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i'd feel threatened too if my rapist were the president of the united states
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Kalli posted:Pretty much. After getting treated like she did by a deluge of team blue people, and the only people that wanted anything to do with her being right wing shitheads after the primary, it's not terribly surprising this is the result. Sure, but that's not what she's alleging. She's alleging that the President of the United States is going to use state apparatus to blackbag rendition her. She says this is because she has knowledge that Joe Biden is planning on stealing the 2024 election. She did not say that harassment from non-elected officials mad about her allegations are leading to this, she's quite clear as to what her reason is.
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May 30, 2023 22:27
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It's generally agreed that you don't have to be a perfect victim to retain the right to have your accusations treated seriously, but I think that "defecting to Russia*" may just possibly be beyond the pale of things you can do and still be treated as a good-faith actor. *in 2023 of all years
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May 30, 2023 22:29
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Skex posted:This ain't the Cold War and Russia isn't even pretending to be communist anymore. For all intents and purpose we're in a Second Cold War, relations with Russia are worse now than during great stretches of when they were still Communist. I'm just surprised nobody in the media has wanted to admit a new Cold War began effectively years ago.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Anything is possible, but considering there's evidence that she was privately making allegations about Biden back in the 90s, it would be a hell of a long play. Yeah but those were sexual harassment accusations, e.g. inappropriately touching her shoulders, making remarks about her legs, etc. They are definitely very believable, considering how much more commonplace such behaviors were back then, and also the fact that Biden himself appears to have trouble understanding the concept of personal space. Very inappropriate and cringe stuff. The rape allegations though were first made during the 2020 election season, at least AFAIK. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I have no problem believing that the accusations are credible because nobody is a perfect victim and Uncle Touchy Joe is creepy as hell about personal space. If it turns out to be provably made up, I still won't feel bad for believing a woman vs a powerful man in politics as a sex pest.
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May 30, 2023 22:37
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, you can't "defect" to a country you aren't at war with. So, I'm not sure what she means in that context. Emigrating? This kind of comes off as "it's only defection if it comes from the deFect region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling emigration." There were plenty of people described as defectors in both directions during the Cold War era, and I'd say relations between Russia and the US are frosty enough to call it a defection in the vernacular sense, if not legally.
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May 30, 2023 22:38
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Yeah but those were sexual harassment accusations, e.g. inappropriately touching her shoulders, making remarks about her legs, etc. They are definitely very believable, considering how much more commonplace such behaviors were back then, and also the fact that Biden himself appears to have trouble understanding the concept of personal space. Very inappropriate and cringe stuff. He grabbed her vagina. That goes beyond "inappropriate touching" and "trouble understanding the concept of personal space" and is considered sexual assault. And she told friends & family about it decades before 2020.
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Rand Brittain posted:It's generally agreed that you don't have to be a perfect victim to retain the right to have your accusations treated seriously, but I think that "defecting to Russia*" may just possibly be beyond the pale of things you can do and still be treated as a good-faith actor. I take her allegations seriously even if her current actions seem to be paranoid madness. Really I think I'd also be a paranoid weirdo who thought the sky was green and the grass was blue and that Russia could help me if I had been raped and eventually my rapist was elected leader of the free world and praised as a hero by millions. She's likely been being manipulated in each and every direction since she has gone more public with the accusations. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 22:48 on May 30, 2023 |
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I AM GRANDO posted:That’s because he doesn’t understand what consent or sexual assault are. If I say I’m not racist but I understand that mexicans are inherently violent and inferior to the white race, I am still confessing my racism. Agreed. eta: This is an issue with a lot of older men who were raised in different times when women were powerless to fight back against sexual assault or risk being ridiculed, while men took delight in abusing that power. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 22:56 on May 30, 2023 |
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May 30, 2023 22:52
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haveblue posted:Still worth asking why she thinks the risk has only become unacceptable now and not at any other point in the past three decades Well, it's not like anyone else tried to steal an election lately.
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In Texas AG Ken Paxton's first media appearance since getting impeached on Steve Bannon's show. he talks about stopping 2.5 million mail-in votes after seeing other states flip from voter challenges. A lot of people are taking this as evidence that Paxton engaged in voter suppression and fraud. https://twitter.com/CollinDems/status/1663375630593847300?s=20
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Jaxyon posted:I have no problem believing that the accusations are credible because nobody is a perfect victim and Uncle Touchy Joe is creepy as hell about personal space. The reason I was skeptical of the rape allegation is that abusers aren't typically one and done. It wasn't just Carroll accusing Trump it was dozens. It wasn't an actress accusing Harvey Weinstein once again dozens same with  . The fact that it was just her didn't help her credibility. I mean even with Franken there were multiple accusations of groping.That's not an automatic dismissal but it's going to be a higher bar given the circumstances and that the timing seemed mostly intended to neutralize Trump being accused of being a serial rapist by putting a cloud over Biden suggesting that he's a rapist too. This idea that we have to have a signed confession accompanied by a video of a crime to make the obvious inference is bonkers. Her rape accusation was made after it was too late to change the outcome of the primary so we were stuck with Biden regardless whereas the same accusation a year earlier would have given people a chance to change course on their primary preference. So the timing is extremely suspect to start. Then there's the complete lack of other victims coming forward which is unusual in this circumstances because abusers are generally habitual. Even then skeptical doesn't mean dismissive, but her falling in with the MAGAts and Quidiots undermines her accusation as well, then literally going to Russia while spouting fascist propaganda. At this point I'm comfortable concluding that it was just another Russian intelligence op rather than going through some convoluted mental gymnastics to dream up a sympathetic narrative to justify her choice to become a fascist. Sometimes something is exactly what it appears to be kind of like Trump being a Russian asset. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Skex fucked around with this message at 23:12 on May 30, 2023 |
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Young Freud posted:In Texas AG Ken Paxton's first media appearance since getting impeached on Steve Bannon's show. he talks about stopping 2.5 million mail-in votes after seeing other states flip from voter challenges. A lot of people are taking this as evidence that Paxton engaged in voter suppression and fraud. i personally know a woman in houston who was unable to vote in 2020 because of fuckery with lines and poll cutoff times. i won't hold my breath that anyone is held accountable, but it still makes me so mad to see someone being actively disenfranchised
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Skex posted:The reason I was skeptical of the rape allegation is that abusers aren't typically one and done. It wasn't just Carroll accusing Trump it was dozens. It wasn't an actress accusing Harvey Weinstein once again dozens same with :beer: . The fact that it was just her didn't help her credibility. I mean even with Franken there were multiple accusations of groping. There probably is. But dude has been a senator for longer than most of us have been alive, and now he's president. It take's a lot to come forward against someone that powerful. But also I don't believe there's any real basis for "abusers aren't typically one and done". Do you have some support for that?
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I'm 99% certain that Paxton is just making poo poo up like the time when Trump claimed he would have won CA in 2016 if it wasn't for 'millions of illegal votes'. If 2.5 million mail ballots in TX were 'thrown out' we would have heard about it somewhere more reliable by now This is not to say that his office didn't participate in voter disenfranchisement
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm 99% certain that Paxton is just making poo poo up like the time when Trump claimed he would have won CA in 2016 if it wasn't for 'millions of illegal votes'. If 2.5 million mail ballots in TX were 'thrown out' we would have heard about it somewhere more reliable by now I like the level he's on where to prove his bonafides, he's not claiming that he didn't do voter disenfranchisement but is attempting lies claiming that his voter disenfranchisement was better, larger, and more effective than it really was.
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Jaxyon posted:But also I don't believe there's any real basis for "abusers aren't typically one and done". Do you have some support for that? I've seen studies in the past suggesting that the great majority of rapes are committed by a relatively small number of serial rapists. But even if that's true, it's a really easy statistic to misunderstand: it still leaves a whole lot of rapists that only did it once. It's good for understanding why there are so many more rape victims than there are rapists even when you only count specific accusations, but it's a really lovely reason to disbelieve an accusation.
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Looking at the list of amendments here, there's like 80 of them. do they have to vote on them individually in the rules committee, or what?
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Kavros posted:I like the level he's on where to prove his bonafides, he's not claiming that he didn't do voter disenfranchisement but is attempting lies claiming that his voter disenfranchisement was better, larger, and more effective than it really was. Seriously, you don’t need to invent votes or defend yourself in Texas, the GOP voters eat up suppression. It doesn’t affect GOP areas or cohorts so it’s the easiest sell in the world that you’re halting the evil lefties in the cities. Like lmao how easy it is to vote in my hometown vs the horrorshow in places like Houston
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Craig K posted:Looking at the list of amendments here, there's like 80 of them. do they have to vote on them individually in the rules committee, or what? Sounds like a vote-a-rama!
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Lemming posted:It seems pretty obvious that she's a vulnerable person being taken advantage of, like it's probably not that she independently came to these conclusions she's probably involved with people who have convinced her this is what's going on Sir Kodiak posted:Anything is possible, but considering there's evidence that she was privately making allegations about Biden back in the 90s, it would be a hell of a long play. Jaxyon posted:There probably is. But dude has been a senator for longer than most of us have been alive, and now he's president. It should be noted that as time went on a multitude of reporters looked into Tara Reades' story and her past and discovered she has a long history of lying and pulling stunts like this to the point that she was caught perjuring herself in the past and pretty much no one with any integrity wants anything to do with her any more since she has a long, long, long line of people she cynically manipulated by preying on their sympathy and good nature in believing her lies to bleed them dry of money and a house to stay at (that she wrecked at least once) before remorselessly leaving them behind. In addition to that, it turns out that she was fired for cause by the Biden campaign for not doing her job, giving motive for revenge, the place she alleges the assault happened literally does not exist as reporters found out that it looks completely different from what she claims, and her friends later admitted that they were pressured by Reade to lie on her behalf corroborating her claims that Biden was handsy with her in public so Reade could set up a "layered" story she could unveil later on after Reade changed the nature of her allegations. The russian intelligence and state media know how to use pathological users of people that like that for their own benefit, so it's probably an opportunistic thing. And to be clear, the words others have used to describe her in the past have gone on record as being "manipulative, deceitful, and a user of people". Though I will say that she was tweeting and hollering support for russia and the RT state media way back when (she even called putin of all people the last hope for the free world when Obama was elected, or something like that) and actively seemed to oppose support for Ukraine, hyping up Russia, so who knows. She's certainly been in contact with russian propaganda operatives in recent years if her own admission is anything to go by. Edit: She even pulled a George Santos "I never said I was jewish, I said I was jew ish." and later said something to the effect of that she never explicitly said she was sexually assaulted. She said she just implied it happened and it's on everyone else for assuming. I'd have to look the article that released that particular update but it looks like she's trying to grift after all her other grifts failed or ran dry and it turned out that she can't hold down a real job as simple as collating Biden supporter's mail and forwarding it to be replied to. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Archonex fucked around with this message at 00:17 on May 31, 2023 |
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Skex posted:The reason I was skeptical of the rape allegation is that abusers aren't typically one and done. It wasn't just Carroll accusing Trump it was dozens. It wasn't an actress accusing Harvey Weinstein once again dozens same with There have been 7 women that came forward with allegations of unwanted touching and more. Here’s an article you can reference: https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html Joe Biden would habitually swim naked in front of female secret service agents. You can read about that here: https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/08/01/biden-swims-naked-upsetting-female-secret-service-agents-book-claims Joe Biden pinched the nipple of an eight year old girl at a public event, as documented on cspan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCTXDInRBvQ Is that enough sexual harassment to qualify as serial abuse?
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UKJeff posted:There have been 7 women that came forward with allegations of unwanted touching and more. Here’s an article you can reference: Both can be true.
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48 Hour Boner posted:Both can be true. ? I’m not sure what you mean. To be clear, I’m not commenting on Reades recent decision to “defect” to Russia or whatever. I fail to see the relevance to her allegations of sexual assault against Biden.
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Skex posted:The reason I was skeptical of the rape allegation is that abusers aren't typically one and done. It wasn't just Carroll accusing Trump it was dozens. It wasn't an actress accusing Harvey Weinstein once again dozens same with This is just a lot of words to justify saying that you dont believe victims if they accuse people you like. Like the whole point of "believe women/victims" is that you give them the benefit of the doubt when their allegations have holes in them. ESPECIALLY when they have holes in them, because casting doubt is exactly how rapists end up getting away with it. There are no perfect victims, there are no perfect allegations. Dismissing her allegations because "there are no other victims" is particularly bullshit. Even if we didnt have multiple photographed incidents of Biden getting way too handsy with women, it is absolutely not out of the question that this was the only incident. And even if it wasnt, its also not out of the question that the other victims simply havent come forward. Probably because they saw the abuse that Reade received! It also really doesnt help that you started this off as an attempt to smear leftists. Really shows where your priorities are in this.
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Everyone should be listented to about their possible sexual assault. They could be lying, but a one-off rapist targeting someone who wouldn't be belived is well within the bounds of the possible. EDIT: And a possible serial sexual assaulter even more so. It's the literally everything else Tara Reede has said that I take with a mountain-sized grain of salt. Like, how would she know about Biden's team's Super Secret Plan to steal the 2024 election????
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Texas AG Calls for Resignation of ‘Obviously’ Drunk GOP House Speaker Ken Paxton has called for an investigation into Dade Phelan after he presided over a House session while visibly intoxicated TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL Ken Paxton has called for the resignation of House Speaker Dade Phelan (R) after he presided over the house “in an obviously intoxicated state.” Paxton also called for an investigation into the incident. “Texans were dismayed to witness his performance presiding over the Texas House in a state of apparent debilitating intoxication,” the attorney general wrote in a statement posted to Twitter on Tuesday. “His conduct has negatively impacted the legislative process and constitutes a failure to live up to his duty to the public.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U8OAIRFP7Q
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Archonex posted:It should be noted that as time went on a multitude of reporters looked into Tara Reades' story and her past and discovered she has a long history of lying and pulling stunts like this to the point that she was caught perjuring herself in the past and pretty much no one with any integrity wants anything to do with her any more since she has a long, long, long line of people she cynically manipulated by preying on their sympathy and good nature in believing her lies to bleed them dry of money and a house to stay at (that she wrecked at least once) before remorselessly leaving them behind. This seems like something you should post a lot more sources for
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RBA Starblade posted:This seems like something you should post a lot more sources for Sure thing! For the manipulative, deceitful, and user of people thing: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771 For the perjury thing and other stuff https://www.montereycountyweekly.co...24a816d1cb.html A particularly egregious one, where it becomes apparent she has no problem with straight up ruining lives if she gets attention or money posted:...There’s no telling whether that piece of evidence made a difference to voters – should they not believe Reade’s claim about Biden because of a false claim about her degree? – and there’s also no telling whether it made a difference to jurors. But that question is enough for the justice system to set at least three people convicted of felonies free, years early. And a nice collation of various reporters efforts in investigating her with at least one giving her nearly 1 year long fair hearing and with many coming away deeply confused https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/tara-reade-joe-biden-allegation-reporting-vox-pbs-doubts.html It also touches on some of the stuff I mentioned in my post, along with a large number of other discrepancies. quote:2. Reade’s friend admitted to lying to a reporter to fit Reade’s narrative. McGann spoke with one Reade friend, who told her last year that Biden had harassed Reade but had definitely not sexually assaulted her: To be clear, this doesn't exonerate Biden in the other claims and you should believe all women. But Tara Reades' claim is so spotty and her history is so unbelievably filled with her pulling large scale cons like this that I feel safe in saying that she's gonna have to put up some more evidence than a simple claim for me to take it seriously. That she now says she thinks Biden is sending assassins after her and he has a plan to steal an election is...Uh, yeah. What the gently caress. Archonex fucked around with this message at 00:34 on May 31, 2023 |
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UKJeff posted:? My mistake, I misunderstood. I meant that Biden being a sex pest is independent of Reade's accusations and actions, which I guess you were already saying. 
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Skex posted:The reason I was skeptical of the rape allegation is that abusers aren't typically one and done. It wasn't just Carroll accusing Trump it was dozens. It wasn't an actress accusing Harvey Weinstein once again dozens same with gently caress you you piece of poo poo. I hope you never have to deal with having sexual assault in your family, because no one should ever have that happen to them, and you would probably dismiss it anyways unless it was on camera or something jesus gently caress, the rape culture in this thread is crazy (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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