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DarkCrawler posted:Either way, now that she has become a victimizer I really don't give a poo poo about what happened or will happen to her She’s still a rape victim.
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UKJeff posted:To be clear, you don’t care that she was sexually assaulted because she is a “victimizer”? Who did she victimize, Joe Biden? There were at least a few people claiming so. I don’t wanna do the post about posters thing but yeah if you look back in the first few pages of discussion i think you’d see some
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UKJeff posted:To be clear, you don’t care that she was sexually assaulted because she is a “victimizer”? Who did she victimize, Joe Biden? She shills for a fascist dictator and war criminal who right now is engaged in an active campaign of ethnic cleansing. So the persecuted people of Russia and Ukraine for one. Nucleic Acids posted:She’s still a rape victim. Yeah, and I don't care. Zero sympathy. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Vorenus posted:Yeah it's important to remember that anyone who claims sexual assault is automatically incapable of being dishonest or wrong about anything, ever. Yes, this is a really similar situation to Carolyn Bryant. You have absolutely said something insightful here and it would be great if you could expand on all the similarities here.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yes, this is a really similar situation to Carolyn Bryant. You have absolutely said something insightful here and it would be great if you could expand on all the similarities here. Any questioning of the credibility of an alleged SA victim is permissive of rape culture. That's clearly the line that some of these arguments are taking, so if we're going to apply it to Tara Reade we drat well need to apply it across the board.
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Vorenus posted:Any questioning of the credibility of an alleged SA victim is permissive of rape culture. That's clearly the line that some of these arguments are taking, so if we're going to apply it to Tara Reade we drat well need to apply it across the board. You do know Bryant never claimed SA, right? Not to mention how insane the rest of your comparison is. Edit: God you have to be on some poo poo to go "Well why don't you believe the woman who accused a black man of whistling at her?  it's just about being consistent"
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Hot take alert: going on the right wing media grift and then russian state tv* to spread paranoid lies makes you a piece of poo poo automatically. It’s not cool to sexually assault pieces of poo poo, and it’s pretty obvious that the dems betrayed their (stated) ideals and helped lead Tara Reade down this path. It is possible to judge them both Sorry if that makes me part of the dnd rape culture crew *it is garbage, fascist garbage with reporters outdoing Tucker in on the daily, I’ve actually watched hours while in Russia if you think western news is bad you should hate Russian news Vorenus posted:Any questioning of the credibility of an alleged SA victim is permissive of rape culture. That's clearly the line that some of these arguments are taking, so if we're going to apply it to Tara Reade we drat well need to apply it across the board. So to be clear, if I don’t treat the Biden kill squad claims at face value it’s rape culture?
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DarkCrawler posted:Yeah, and I don't care. Zero sympathy. This is kind of a lovely thing to believe.
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May 31, 2023 14:08
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It is abundantly clear that nobody is earnestly interested in discussing current events regarding Tara Reade except as a segue to her earlier allegations. I don't care what you believe in your heart of hearts, but we're not going to use CE to litigate the believability of sexual assault allegations.
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I think that the point of #MeToo was to have sexual crimes be treated with the same presumption as any other crime. If I go to the cops or the media and say "I was robbed" or "I got the poo poo beat out of me", people would take my claim at face value and investigate with due diligence. However, thanks to rape culture and patriarchy, sex crimes like rape/sexual assault/etc. were front loaded with bullshit skepticism. "What were you wearing when it happened?" "Did you have anything to drink?" "Did you give off any vibes that could have led to the assault." And that was if you were lucky enough to be heard by anybody to begin with. But with ANY crime, a basic level of skepticism is not unreasonable, as long as you take the claim seriously and investigate it. If someone claims robbery or assault, but there's no evidence that a crime happened despite an investigation, don't be angry at other people if they still have lingering skepticism over the claim. And especially don't be angry if the person making the claim starts behaving in a manner that would invite more skepticism. Tara Reade had others corroborate the misconduct claims, but the assault claims couldn't be corroborated. I know that victims of rape don't always remember things linearly or be unable to recall details until decades later (this is something I've painfully learned very recently). But I do think her claims were given a fair consideration, but they didn't pan out like others, and I'm not going to fault others for exercising doubt given her associations and claims since 2020. The article below is from 2020, but I think it gives a fair assessment of Tara's claims. Vox: The agonizing story of Tara Reade - I started reporting on Tara Reade’s story a year ago. Here’s what I found, and where I’m stuck. volts5000 fucked around with this message at 14:17 on May 31, 2023 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Hot take alert: going on the right wing media grift and then russian state tv* to spread paranoid lies makes you a piece of poo poo automatically. It’s not cool to sexually assault pieces of poo poo, and it’s pretty obvious that the dems betrayed their (stated) ideals and helped lead Tara Reade down this path. It is possible to judge them both It doesn't. The thing a lot of people are saying is that applying a victim's current situation retroactively is a method of dismissing people's claims that they've been sexually assaulted. It's 100% okay to say, "oh, this person went on to become a tinfoil weirdo who's probably an active agent for a foreign power" if the current situation supports that. What isn't okay is when people use that as a reason to say that because of what's going on now, we can safely assume whatever we want about their life before. Most sexual assault cases, when they get reported at all, come from people who are pretty far removed from the actual event. It takes time to process and understand that something that happened to you even was SA or rape, and very often people peripheral to the situation aren't even remotely supportive. So there's a lot of cognitive dissonance to work through. And that's without extenuating circumstances -- like the person who did it to you being extremely powerful or well-liked. Not to mention that we don't do a very good job of explaining what SA even is -- so many children who experience it don't even discover that they've been a victim until years later. So it's pretty pernicious to be able to go "oh, this person's a lying sack of poo poo now, we can ignore that they said this about when they were a child. They were probably a lying poo poo then, too." e2a: DarkCrawler posted:It's not a belief, but my honest opinion. Your honesty is refreshing, but this take sucks. The previous poster who admonished you was understating, btw -- this is completely lovely thing to believe. Ershalim fucked around with this message at 14:26 on May 31, 2023 |
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Nucleic Acids posted:This is kind of a lovely thing to believe. It's not a belief, but my honest opinion.
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DarkCrawler posted:It's not a belief, but my honest opinion. It's not a belief it's just...a thing you believe??? vvv opinions are beliefs, hth Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 14:48 on May 31, 2023 |
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Ershalim posted:Your honesty is refreshing, but this take sucks. The previous poster who admonished you was understating, btw -- this is completely lovely thing to believe. Well, since she is a completely lovely person, I'll survive. Blue Footed Booby posted:It's not a belief it's just...a thing you believe??? I am pretty sure I know when I am feeling sympathy for a person or not.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:What would you suggest? Probating anyone that casts any doubt on Reade's accusations? Yes.
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Chris Christie is inexplicably deciding to give it another go. I'm somewhat surprised that 2024 seems to be exceeding the clown car level of 2016. We're up to 12 declared/soon to be declared candidates already. And that is not counting the incredibly minor candidates like Corey Stapleton or Perry Johnson. I'm not sure why so many people are falling on their sword this year. I'm guessing they thought Trump would be weaker/not run and have been making preparations for the last two years that they don't want to just throw away. But, even if there was a breakout against Trump in the primary, by having over a dozen candidates you are effectively making it more and more impossible for that (already small) chance breakout to ever actually occur. His plan is to hope that Trump doesn't skip the debates and try to own him on stage, argue that he is the only conservative who can win over enough independents and Democrats to win, and be the only one who can make the tough decisions and do the truth-telling needed to get the country back on track. https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1663874698877321216 quote:Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie plans to announce his candidacy in the 2024 race on Tuesday, according to three sources familiar with his plans.
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Theres a slim possibility that the court cases do serious damage to Trump or take him out of the running is there not? In which case the frontrunner would be DeSantis and theres plenty of reason for people to believe they could beat him Besides, I bet several of these people are REALLY running for VP, or the Cabinet. I am intrigued to see how Ron DeSantis vs Trump will play out. Edit: I doubt any Republican is capable of owning Trump on the debate stage. Its a trap. He'll own them all like last time. OctaMurk fucked around with this message at 14:57 on May 31, 2023 |
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OctaMurk posted:Theres a slim possibility that the court cases do serious damage to Trump or take him out of the running is there not? In which case the frontrunner would be DeSantis and theres plenty of reason for people to believe they could beat him I have my doubts there will be any debates whatsoever for the 2024 election or primaries.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Chris Christie is inexplicably deciding to give it another go. Hey, Tricky Dick made an awesome come-back in '68 after failing extremely badly against the god damned Kennedies! Chris probably has a staff of yes-men (or women!) telling him sure, you can win it. He's a... sort of national figure, I suppose? I couldn't tell you why he specifically would come out of the clown car a winner, but at least half of the POTUSes have been morons, racist and or both, so why not give it a go? At least he can have a book written about his effort, surely some GOP think-tank would order a few thousand of those? Also, Chris did suicide bomb lil'Marco in a debate, so maybe there is some comedy to be had here again?
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While DeSantis is definitely in the delusional crowd, or at least at this point not so much chasing a busted flush as pot-committed, yeah I imagine a lot of the clown car primary crowd are in it for the publicity and angling for cabinet positions or at least prime wingnut welfare appointments.
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Vorenus posted:Yeah it's important to remember that anyone who claims sexual assault is automatically incapable of being dishonest or wrong about anything, ever. This should be a ban. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Idk who it is backing Chris Christie, but he's had at least a couple columns touting him in the New York Times recently. I'd say his constituency is rich GOP donors who would prefer Not Trump but see DeSantis as a lost cause or a loose cannon. If he's going for VP after what happened last time, lol. lmao.
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Considering his abysmal showing in 2016 Christie is angling for cabinet or cushy posting. He has no broad appeal and even within his own state was the least popular governor in its history. Like with all things Republican, its a craven opportunity to raise his own public standing and try to weasel into a non-Trump admin job.
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To donors, DeSantis probably appears to want it too badly and is entirely willing to set his business relationships, staff, donors, and self on fire at a moment's notice to make red meat voter appeals. He may not be a true believer but he acts like one anyway. I'm not a campaign manager though so what do I know.
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Chris christie wants to suicide bomb trump in the debates for a shot at being Ron DeSantis's VP. But the debates wont happen, if they did then hed actually get owned by Trump, and if he did own Trump then Ron DeSantis aint pickin him for VP in a million years
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Picturing Chris Christie as an angry bird angling to take out Trump and Desantis pigs in a primary
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Chris Christie is inexplicably deciding to give it another go. Hell yeah, this is now the Ozempic Primary
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 at the idea that any sort of charges will take Trump out of the running. Anybody still voting Republican will vote even harder if he ever got convicted because the thing he admitted to in his own words on live national television will be deep state lies that someone else faked to unfairly witch hunt him. The Republican clown car will absolutely get pantsed in the primary if Trump is still in the running, but wilder things have happened in life. He is one extra hamberder away from a life destroying stroke or whatever.
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OctaMurk posted:Chris christie wants to suicide bomb trump in the debates for a shot at being Ron DeSantis's VP. But the debates wont happen, if they did then hed actually get owned by Trump, and if he did own Trump then Ron DeSantis aint pickin him for VP in a million years Nah he’s gonna detonate DeSantis like he did Rubio and get snubbed by Trump again
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Baronash posted:It is abundantly clear that nobody is earnestly interested in discussing current events regarding Tara Reade except as a segue to her earlier allegations. I don't care what you believe in your heart of hearts, but we're not going to use CE to litigate the believability of sexual assault allegations. Ok.... and? Are you forbidding discussion of her or setting parameters for talking about her? If it's the latter, then please set forth the boundaries a little more clearly. Thanks. eta: I ask this so that there are clear guidelines that go beyond the old mod chestnut of "let's not do this anymore" in which "do this" isn't actually defined and "let's" is selectively applied. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 15:35 on May 31, 2023 |
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To be fair to people like Christie, Trump had loosely run for president for years and was a joke before it suddenly clicked, so I can understand people throwing in and seeing if maybe this is the year.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Idk who it is backing Chris Christie, but he's had at least a couple columns touting him in the New York Times recently. It's the not-Trump crowd wishing for a hail-mary candidate to elevate since DeSantis has proven to be such a washout, as you said.
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kdrudy posted:To be fair to people like Christie, Trump had loosely run for president for years and was a joke before it suddenly clicked, so I can understand people throwing in and seeing if maybe this is the year. Also, Biden is an example of that too
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Willa Rogers posted:Ok.... and? I think it's more "she can be a Russian asset now and also have been assaulted then, but her leaving for Russia is the actual current event".
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bird food bathtub posted:He is one extra hamberder away from a life destroying stroke or whatever. So is mr. Christie lol
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A big flaming stink posted:one of the reasons i dont post in dnd much anymore is because the moderation culture is extremely permissive about rampant rape culture as long as the targets are deemed acceptable. It’s impossible to internally reconcile the zero tolerance culture when it comes to which games you play, where you shop, or what industry you work for with “I voted for a rapist”.
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