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Captain Oblivious posted:Whether Tara Reade’s accusations are credible doesn’t matter one iota. Biden is a sex pest due to a whole host of evidence that doesn’t rely on her at all, and Reade is obviously a Russia sympathizing moron. Both things can be true. Given what we know about Tara Reade's life, being an America-sympathizer would be even more moronic. She probably doesn't get death threats in Russian. I don't really understand all the skepticism/hatred, even the biggest American patriot/Reade disbeliever ought to see why she might have a bit of a grudge with America.
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Which naturally justifies making yourself a propaganda asset for an imperialist fascist regime that’s using its military to expand its borders.
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May 31, 2023 16:14
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The choices are not USA or Russia. Being upset about mistreatment in the USA does not mean you need to run to a country currently in the middle of a genocidal war they started while they black bag a government official every week.
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May 31, 2023 16:16
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Main Paineframe posted:The fact that it would have to go in front of a court at all means that the 14th amendment option would deal a significant blow to the economy. "The US public debt is in limbo as the Supreme Court decides whether or not to declare some of the payments unconstitutional" isn't quite as bad as default, but it's actually still pretty bad. Here's my problem with this statement: obeying the constitution should not be a "trick". But, apparently, the only way to take legal action under the 14th amendment regarding faith in the public debt is to undermine that faith, so the amendment is functionally powerless. That's seems really inconvenient if it's true. I don't think it's true because every debt ceiling discussion is a debate about whether to default, and society hasn't collapsed yet, so some kind of 14th amendment lawsuit about whether the US can default can't possibly be worse (for faith) than Congress and the White House explicitly saying "we're going to bargain under the assumption that the US can totally default if we don't reach a bipartisan consensus" every year or two. Not only can the president use the 14th amendment, but by negotiating the debt ceiling he's openly undermining the constitution by perpetuating a fake default crisis.
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May 31, 2023 16:18
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Doesn't the "standing" for the 14th require issuing treasury bonds for beyond the debt limit, and if the Supreme Court says no to the argument you now have a bunch of worthless treasury bonds which would erode far more faith than constant debt limit fights. Of course, you would have the Supreme Court pressured heavily into saying "yes" as the colapse of the US and global economy would result but who the gently caress knows how they would vote.
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May 31, 2023 16:23
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PerniciousKnid posted:Given what we know about Tara Reade's life, being an America-sympathizer would be even more moronic. She probably doesn't get death threats in Russian. I don't really understand all the skepticism/hatred, even the biggest American patriot/Reade disbeliever ought to see why she might have a bit of a grudge with America. The country she is shilling for is actively running a genocide that involves large scale rape. Shilling on the same news platform. What’s her grudge against women in Zaporizhzhia or Mariupol or female soldiers in russian captivity?
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Twincityhacker posted:Doesn't the "standing" for the 14th require issuing treasury bonds for beyond the debt limit, and if the Supreme Court says no to the argument you now have a bunch of worthless treasury bonds which would erode far more faith than constant debt limit fights. I think it would be more interesting for Biden to announce that he's going to prioritize welfare spending and stop paying energy subsidies, military supply payments, etc. until he has sufficient credit authority to meet those demands. Basically, hold Republican priorities hostage under the theory that "I can't currently make the payments I expected to make under Congress' budget laws so I'm prioritizing X Y and Z under executive discretion". The safer (Constitutionally) option would be to "mint the coin", i.e. to use what authority he has to obey all Congressional laws by minting a $1T coin with his face on the front and a muscle car on the back, or to issue zero-face coupon bonds or whatever else allows him to spend what he's supposed to spend without exceeding the statutory default limit, while also respecting his Constitutional duty to pay all US debts.
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May 31, 2023 16:31
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cat botherer posted:On the other hand, This whole discussion has been weird, but I am very confused about what that article is supposed to be "on the other hand"-ing. What is the similarity between Ukrainian sex workers saying they are moving to areas with lots of troops because there is tons of money to be made there + it is the town that soldiers with wives and girlfriends organize they romantic leave around and the organized mass rape of prisoners of war and civilians?
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May 31, 2023 16:33
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This whole discussion has been weird, but I am very confused about what that article is supposed to be "on the other hand"-ing.
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cat botherer posted:On the other hand, Are you trying to make an "actually Ukrainians are raping too" argument? Even if they were, how does that "on the other hand" anything? Maybe don't try and downplay rape.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Are you trying to make an "actually Ukrainians are raping too" argument? Even if they were, how does that "on the other hand" anything?
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May 31, 2023 16:45
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McCarthy is trying to win over skeptical House Republicans who are upset that there were only minor spending cuts in the debt ceiling bill. He is proposing a bipartisan committee made up of House members to look at the budget. You could even call it the "House Budget Committee" or the "House Appropriations Committee" and make them permanent. Then, they can look at the entire budget every single year. https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1663924715474366465 I'm not sure if McCarthy is extremely dumb, he thinks everyone else is extremely dumb, he has nothing to offer and is just making things up, or some combination of all three.
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May 31, 2023 16:48
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The country she is shilling for is actively running a genocide that involves large scale rape. Shilling on the same news platform. What’s her grudge against women in Zaporizhzhia or Mariupol or female soldiers in russian captivity? I probably shouldn't speculate about Tara Reade's private thoughts, but I doubt that she moved to Russia because of a grudge against Mariupol women.
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May 31, 2023 16:48
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cat botherer posted:The invasion was evil, but it's bizarre to call it a genocide unless we're just going to water that term down beyond all meaning. Given Putin's repeated denial that Ukrainians are a distinct people from Russians and denial that Ukraine as a nation has a right to exist, the discovery of numerous civilian mass graves and other evidence of war crimes in liberated Ukrainian territory, the open intent and constant attempts by the Russian military to destroy myriad civilian targets, the fact that the ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Putin for kidnapping tens to hundreds of thousands of children... I'm curious, what would they need to be doing before you didn't think it was "bizarre" to call the war genocidal?
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May 31, 2023 16:52
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I would guess her decision to move to Russia is related to her decision to spend the past year and a half using her personal social media accounts to promote the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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May 31, 2023 16:54
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Any news on the debt ceiling? Is Kevin McCarthy flying too close to the sun?
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May 31, 2023 17:12
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Chris Christie is inexplicably deciding to give it another go. Christie probably is the only one who could land and take punches from Trump in debates but who knows if he’ll bother.
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May 31, 2023 17:12
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Eric Cantonese posted:Any news on the debt ceiling? Is Kevin McCarthy flying too close to the sun? It passed the Rules Committee so it’s going to pass and then the chuds decide when/how to retaliate.
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May 31, 2023 17:14
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/30/chris-stewart-resign-congress-00099283 So Chris Stewart of Utah’s 2nd Congressional District is resigning. Since it is Utah I assume he will likely be replaced by another Republican after a special election. Does the GOP having one less rep make any difference during the period in between? There also seems to have been no news on George Santos lately.
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May 31, 2023 17:16
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Eric Cantonese posted:Any news on the debt ceiling? Is Kevin McCarthy flying too close to the sun? "The wax will drip off any day now" is what I have heard his entire run as speaker, but this is his biggest challenge to date.
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May 31, 2023 17:17
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Zwabu posted:https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/30/chris-stewart-resign-congress-00099283 It makes extremely tight votes on partisan lines even closer, but not direct impact right away. Santos isn't going away and still plans to run for re-election and fight his charges. McCarthy isn't going to support expelling him or encourage him to resign, but he did remove him from his committees.
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May 31, 2023 17:19
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PerniciousKnid posted:Here's my problem with this statement: obeying the constitution should not be a "trick". But, apparently, the only way to take legal action under the 14th amendment regarding faith in the public debt is to undermine that faith, so the amendment is functionally powerless. That's seems really inconvenient if it's true. The Supreme Court doesn't take questions about theoretical future events. To litigate whether something violates the Constitution, they generally require the alleged Constitutional violation to have already happened*. "Congress defaulted" is a violation of the 14th Amendment, but "Congress might default soon" is not. And in the context of the debt ceiling, that means that either Congress must force the US to default (in which case the Constitutional violation would be a violation of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment), or the executive branch would have to take out more debt than the debt ceiling allows (in which case the violation would be the executive branch violating the debt ceiling law). Yes, this means that the 14th Amendment is not a complete and total protection from any sort of economic disruption. While the Supreme Court should guarantee the debt, getting a Supreme Court ruling on the validity of the debt means that someone has to have done enough to threaten the debt, which in turn is more than enough to somewhat spook debtholders. * Note that they also require the complainer to establish standing, but I'm ignoring standing in this post because I find it confusing and annoying. Edgar Allen Ho posted:The country she is shilling for is actively running a genocide that involves large scale rape. Shilling on the same news platform. What’s her grudge against women in Zaporizhzhia or Mariupol or female soldiers in russian captivity? Why should we care who she's shilling for or why? She's not a powerful person of any kind. She's not a political leader or a billionaire bundler. She's a random nobody who's completely non-notable, except for the fact that she accused Joe Biden of sexual assault. I don't think it matters at all that she's shilling for Russia. The only way it could really matter is how it affects her credibility on the single reason any of us even remembers her name. But not only is that particular subject off-limits, but I also don't seriously think this would meaningfully change anyone's mind on that subject to begin with. On the other hand, I absolutely think it matters that Russia is shilling for her. And that's not just a semantic quibble. The difference between "Tara Reade shilling for Russia" and "Russia shilling for Tara Reade" is that the Russian government is much more powerful and influential than Tara Reade is, and able to do much more in service of far larger-ranging plans.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The country she is shilling for is actively running a genocide that involves large scale rape. Shilling on the same news platform. What’s her grudge against women in Zaporizhzhia or Mariupol or female soldiers in russian captivity? America is much worse than Russia. Every day America bombs and invades nations, rapes women and kills non-whites. Russia is an anti-imperial force and is defending itself against the liberal capitalist order and America on its doorstep. Death to America.
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May 31, 2023 17:55
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TheDisreputableDog posted:It’s impossible to internally reconcile the zero tolerance culture when it comes to which games you play, where you shop, or what industry you work for with “I voted for a rapist”.
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Somaen posted:America is much worse than Russia. Every day America bombs and invades nations, rapes women and kills non-whites. Russia is an anti-imperial force and is defending itself against the liberal capitalist order and America on its doorstep. Death to America. lol
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May 31, 2023 18:02
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But seriously it is always wild to me to see people claim that Russia is "anti-imperialist" as Russia's government actively and openly works to reclaim the borders of the literal Tsarist empire, and has been doing so for over 30 years.
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May 31, 2023 18:04
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PerniciousKnid posted:Given what we know about Tara Reade's life, being an America-sympathizer would be even more moronic. She probably doesn't get death threats in Russian. I don't really understand all the skepticism/hatred, even the biggest American patriot/Reade disbeliever ought to see why she might have a bit of a grudge with America. She's had some interest/sympathies with Russia even before her public allegations. It's possible those were born out of people not taking her allegations seriously and growing disillusionment with the american government up to that point, but I don't think she was getting death threats about it until she went public and by that time there's already evidence she was sympathetic towards Russia and Putin. But the stupid thing is that all doesn't MEAN anything at all. We don't need to make excuses for her about why she decided to jump on the Russian bandwagon, and we can criticize the decision by itself without involving her past allegations. yronic heroism posted:It passed the Rules Committee so it’s going to pass and then the chuds decide when/how to retaliate. It'll pass with majority Dem and slim Republican support, McCarthy will get a no confidence vote from the HFC, but he'll be kept in power by the Democrats unless something really crazy and dumb happens and they manage to get Jeffries in instead. I would guess though that if they try to do a vote for a new speaker then all the deals he made for the first vote are done and theoretically he might be able to secure the speaker position again without dumb deals like "any member can call for a vote on a new speaker"
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Acebuckeye13 posted:But seriously it is always wild to me to see people claim that Russia is "anti-imperialist" as Russia's government actively and openly works to reclaim the borders of the literal Tsarist empire, and has been doing so for over 30 years. That's a little unfair, they don't want to regain all of Tsarist empire, just the parts they believe to be racially inferior (to relief of Finland).
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I don't know if this is good analogy or not but if you miss a credit card payment your credit rating gets damaged. It doesn't matter if you pay the bill a week later after the bank says "hey you have the money you can pay this Is that cool?". The damage is already done and isn't immediately unwound because you had an oopsie.
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cr0y posted:I don't know if this is good analogy or not but if you miss a credit card payment your credit rating gets damaged. It doesn't matter if you pay the bill a week later after the bank says "hey you have the money you can pay this Is that cool?". The damage is already done and isn't immediately unwound because you had an oopsie. Actually it's a very good analogy since that's literally what happened the first time we had this stupid Debt Ceiling game of chicken back in 2011 (i.e., America's credit rating got damaged)
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OddObserver posted:That's a little unfair, they don't want to regain all of Tsarist empire, just the parts they believe to be racially inferior (to relief of Finland). Not to toot the Finnish horn over-much, but Russia realizes Finland has a fairly advanced military, there's a lot of ground to fight guerrilla war on, and Finns mostly don't speak Russian, so good luck colonizing in that environment. And weirdly enough, Russians as a people sort of... Like Finland? Russian tourism was a big business here until, you know, *gestures at the genocide* Of course the bargain bin Goebbelses in their state media may have changed that, I don't pretend to know. The big question mark is what Putin and his entourage think about things. They thought invading Ukraine would be a walk in the park and a good idea, and turns out the entire Western apparatus decided "gently caress you, no".
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Yawgmoft posted:I had to learn something, now you have to learn it too: Reminded me of this story: Women senators were barred from the Senate pool for years because 2 male lawmakers liked to swim nude One story in particular illustrates exactly the kind of separate treatment female senators would endure. Former Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) told The New York Times that when she joined the Senate in 2009, the doors to the Senate swimming pool had signs that said "men only" for one conspicuous reason: "There were at least two male senators — she would not name them — who enjoyed swimming in the nude," the Times writes. Today, women are allowed to swim in the pool — which is located in the men's gym, since the women's gym does not have one — so long as they wear the required "proper attire." Read more about the women who are "breaking into the boys' club" at The New York Times. https://theweek.com/speedreads/767742/women-senators-barred-from-senate-pool-years-because-2-male-lawmakers-liked-swim-nude
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Main Paineframe posted:On the other hand, I absolutely think it matters that Russia is shilling for her. And that's not just a semantic quibble. The difference between "Tara Reade shilling for Russia" and "Russia shilling for Tara Reade" is that the Russian government is much more powerful and influential than Tara Reade is, and able to do much more in service of far larger-ranging plans. Reade herself isn't going to get them anything in terms of influence, though. She's been sitting right there for three years and right wing media has shown no interest in her. Donald Trump had four of Bill Clinton's accusers sit front row in his debate with Hillary - they are not reluctant to exploit things like this. If they thought there was a way to leverage Reade's accusation into anti-Biden sentiment, they would be using it. I doubt Putin and the Internet Research Agency are going to find any angles that Ben Shapiro and Sean Hannity couldn't, and fairly or not, making ridiculous assertions about election theft didn't do any favors to her credibility.
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Mellow Seas posted:I guess it matters in that it indicates that Russia is interested in influencing the election, but that's not really surprising at this point. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6317106404112
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I stand corrected. I still feel like she's brought up a lot less than, e.g., Juanita Broderick was - but maybe that's just because "sleazebag" isn't as prominent an attack vector on Biden as it was on Clinton.
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Main Paineframe posted:The Supreme Court doesn't take questions about theoretical future events. To litigate whether something violates the Constitution, they generally require the alleged Constitutional violation to have already happened*. "Congress defaulted" is a violation of the 14th Amendment, but "Congress might default soon" is not. I would imagine the likely sequence would be something like Biden issuing an Executive Order directing Treasury to prioritize payments, mint the coin, or what have you, and another party suing on the grounds of the executive order being illegal and harming them for whatever reason, probably red state AGs suing that Biden is making their taxes go up or impeding subsidies they rely on.
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Is this a legit polling outfit? Because these survey results are pretty startling.quote:In a hypothetical 2024 U.S. Senate matchup in West Virginia, the latest ECU Poll shows Governor Jim Justice with a significant 22-point lead over incumbent Senator Joe Manchin, 54% to 32%, among registered voters in the state (with 13% undecided). The ECU Poll also finds Governor Justice with a job approval rating of 57% (with an overall net positive job approval rating of +28 percentage points; 57% approval compared to 29% disapproval). Senator Manchin, in contrast, holds a job approval rating of just 33% (with an overall net negative job approval rating of -26 percentage points; 33% approval compared to 59% disapproval).
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