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Nichael posted:I don't think you're wrong, I just think that kind of work will break my brain (further). If I practice traditionally, it'll probably be criminal defense, immigrant, or tenants rights. You know who started out as a humble Delaware public defender?
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Toona the Cat posted:You know who started out as a humble Delaware public defender? It's good to see the youth inspired by our leaders and want to follow in their footsteps
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May 31, 2023 04:09
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Nichael posted:I'm an organizer first and foremost, that's my skillset. I don't intend to practice law traditionally as I mostly just want the degree to continue to help leftist causes through means I've used in the past. This is the perfect intersection of law and organizing for me. The country always need more quality PDs.
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May 31, 2023 11:35
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Vox Nihili posted:The country always need more quality PDs. Yeah, I'm considering it along with other things. I just have a lot to figure out in general.
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May 31, 2023 15:35
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AS a current public defender, if you're considering a legal career at all, being a public defender is probably one of the best places to start. Very few other career paths give you litigation experience up front, and almost any other career path, you're a better candidate for it if you have litigation experience, because ultimately what matters in the law is being able to fight it out if you have to. Everything else is backed up, or not, by the credibility of your threat as a litigant, and experience as a PD makes you a credible threat. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 16:28 on May 31, 2023 |
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Nonprofits have to “incorporate” in their own state I think, not in Delaware. I’ve never had to file the papers but am close enough to know you have to report to your local dept of state. Good luck Nichael. I’m feeling pretty burned out lately and sometimes wish I had taken the money instead of the clean hands, but I try to remind myself that it is good to enjoy and feel good about what you do for work.
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May 31, 2023 18:01
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As a dependency attorney at a non-profit, I love what I do, and every day I do something good. I also have amazing support, a firm that has a total buy-in on preserving work-life balance, and amazing benefits. I also have to do Uber eats on the side for weed money, but such is life. Beats the poo poo out of real estate law.
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May 31, 2023 18:35
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The Dagda posted:Nonprofits have to “incorporate” in their own state I think, not in Delaware. I’ve never had to file the papers but am close enough to know you have to report to your local dept of state. You generally have to register to do business in your state(s) where you operate no matter what, and similarly if you're a charity soliciting donations in a state you usually have to register with the attorney general or someone similar in that state. Most nonprofit corporations don't have the incentives for profits do (or think they do) to incorporate in Delaware though.
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May 31, 2023 18:56
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Emily Spinach posted:Most nonprofit corporations don't have the incentives for profits do (or think they do) to incorporate in Delaware though. It’s this. You could register in Delaware but you’re still filing in your state of operation and dealing with two secretaries of state now for no good reason.
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May 31, 2023 19:09
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Toona the Cat posted:As a dependency attorney at a non-profit, I love what I do, and every day I do something good. I also have amazing support, a firm that has a total buy-in on preserving work-life balance, and amazing benefits. That's awesome. Like I said, I don't really know what I want beyond broad strokes. But this makes me feel a little more confident in the broad strokes.
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May 31, 2023 19:11
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:AS a current public defender, if you're considering a legal career at all, being a public defender is probably one of the best places to start. Very few other career paths give you litigation experience up front, and almost any other career path, you're a better candidate for it if you have litigation experience, because ultimately what matters in the law is being able to fight it out if you have to. Everything else is backed up, or not, by the credibility of your threat as a litigant, and experience as a PD makes you a credible threat. Yup, never had litigation exp and it def could have come in handy a few times. Also, litigators (despite sometimes being weird as hell) are pretty impressive. Going in there, yelling about the law.
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May 31, 2023 21:33
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Nichael posted:That's awesome. Like I said, I don't really know what I want beyond broad strokes. But this makes me feel a little more confident in the broad strokes. I genuinely think you should be very suspicious of the innocence project group that is requiring you to raise money for them as part of your legal internship - that is very not normal.
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Toona the Cat posted:I also have to do Uber eats on the side for weed money, but such is life. Beats the poo poo out of real estate law. This reminds me, my current partner is a landscape designer/professional gardener. She pays her laborers more hourly than what I was getting paid as a lawyer.
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May 31, 2023 23:18
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Congrats on your future career in *spins wheel* insurance defense!
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Sab0921 posted:I genuinely think you should be very suspicious of the innocence project group that is requiring you to raise money for them as part of your legal internship - that is very not normal. It's literally the Innocence Project. I explicitly did not want a traditional legal internship, and they also needed this role. I get how you think it sounds, and that's reasonable. But I also have much different plans for this degree than the normal student. I'm also at least familiar enough with the norm of this particular school (my parents and other family members are graduates), that I'm not truly going into it blind.
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I kicked in some $. Nichael, you seem like you might be north of 30 years old, just a warning that if you do become a PD that starting out running district court calendars really sucks. I was 27 when I started, most of the older baby PDs couldn't keep up with the pace you need to keep poo poo running and flamed out. I moved states at 33 and had to start in district court again and it was so much worse. Even though I knew what I was doing, the grind was so taxing. I recently moved states again and was faced with the prospect of restarting from the bottom if I wanted to keep being a PD, and noped out. Luckily, as other people mentioned, it wasn't too hard finding a different job with all of my court experience. Good luck, being a lawyer is awful, but I hope you make it alright.
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Tokelau All Star posted:I kicked in some $. Nichael, you seem like you might be north of 30 years old, just a warning that if you do become a PD that starting out running district court calendars really sucks. I was 27 when I started, most of the older baby PDs couldn't keep up with the pace you need to keep poo poo running and flamed out. I moved states at 33 and had to start in district court again and it was so much worse. Even though I knew what I was doing, the grind was so taxing. Thanks a lot, that was very kind. And yes, unfortunately, that's more or less my age. Physically, keeping up with the demand of the work doesn't seem out of the question for me because I tend to operate pretty well under pressure with something I believe in. But emotionally, I don't know if I can handle it. One of the reasons I like working in the political realm is that it's detached enough from the personal that I can plausibly do good without getting wrecked by the sadness of the world.
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Yeah, unfortunately it's both physical and emotional when you have 45 minutes to talk to 20+ angry dudes who have been in custody all weekend, tell most of them that they aren't getting out, some that they'll get out if they'll plead guilty today etc, then going out and running that calendar plus your regular out of custody calendar which could be 100 cases deep, and doing that day after day, week after week and so on. It can be incredibly rewarding, I felt like I was a vital part of the community, people would talk to me in the street or at the grocery store and thank me for helping them or a family member in their jam and seeming like I actually gave a poo poo (because I actually did). But then you get the dudes who swear at you, scream at you, blame you, throw accusations at you. And when you legitimately care about the work, each of those guys slowly drain your empathy well until it's gone.
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Tokelau All Star posted:Yeah, unfortunately it's both physical and emotional when you have 45 minutes to talk to 20+ angry dudes who have been in custody all weekend, tell most of them that they aren't getting out, some that they'll get out if they'll plead guilty today etc, then going out and running that calendar plus your regular out of custody calendar which could be 100 cases deep, and doing that day after day, week after week and so on. I'm sorry. You did good work though, you're a good person. None of this stuff is easy and the system is brutal.
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The thing that law school needs that law school will never do is have a "dealing with mentally ill clients" class.
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GrandmaParty posted:The thing that law school needs that law school will never do is have a "dealing with mentally ill clients" class. My criminal law professor said in her time as a public defender, just about every client had at least some kind of untreated mental health condition.
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GrandmaParty posted:The thing that law school needs that law school will never do is have a "dealing with mentally ill clients" class. Physician, heal thyself
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You could always hang a shingle and take conflict cases? I'm not quite sure how that works 'cause I never worked that angle but it seemed like a really good way to take as many cases as you have time for while still doing public defender work. I know at least a few young lawyers who went this route out of law school and it seemed to work for them.
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You need to have low expenses and know the politics of getting the contracts but yes conflict work can jump start you Also mailing letters to everyone who gets a dui over the weekend
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On a more funny note, lol why aren't we called doctors too https://www.abajournal.com/voice/ar...egree.%E2%80%9D
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i heard there was a new "worst poster" in the thread. I've come to regain my crown.
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Nichael posted:My criminal law professor said in her time as a public defender, just about every client had at least some kind of untreated mental health condition. hmm wow v. interesting if true
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Shageletic posted:On a more funny note, lol why aren't we called doctors too because we appropriated a random title of nobility when nobody was looking instead
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hello, I am an esquire, a very real title that i definitely have some right to instead of that long ago someone just decided it sounded good and realized they didn't get in trouble for calling themselves that
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Always the esquire, never the knight.
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I for one cannot stand the foul new laws of the Gracchi
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Nichael posted:My criminal law professor said in her time as a public defender, just about every client had at least some kind of untreated mental health condition. Wait until you meet opposing counsel. Talk about mentally unwell, geez louise
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evilweasel posted:hello, I am an esquire, a very real title that i definitely have some right to instead of that long ago someone just decided it sounded good and realized they didn't get in trouble for calling themselves that IIRC Henry the VIIIth started selling the 'esquire' title to raise money for wars or early modern dick pills or something and all the rich lawyers immediately went out and bought them. When the Monarchy stopped caring about the title the lawyers were like, "well, guess it's ours now, but you gotta pay the bar to get the title instead of the crown'.
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Shageletic posted:On a more funny note, lol why aren't we called doctors too The solution to this discrepancy isn't to call lawyers "Doctor" but to make a law degree a two-year master's degree instead. https://archive.nytimes.com/dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/obama-says-law-school-should-be-two-years-not-three/
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Muir posted:The solution to this discrepancy isn't to call lawyers "Doctor" but to make a law degree a two-year master's degree instead.
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Ani posted:The UK does this right. Law is a 3 year undergrad degree, or a 1 year course you can do after you have an undergrad in anything else. Then you have to do two years of supervised training (where you get paid a reasonable wage) before being qualified. The UK does this wrong. In Norway, you get a 5 year master's degree in law (ignore the people who tell you there's a bachelor, there isn't) and then if you want to be an attorney you can apprentice for two years with the courts, prosecution or a licensed attorney as well as pass a bar exam. Never mind what I'm doing with this ladder, it's mine I pulled it up here myself now let's review your draft
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I think it’s done to call us doctors. It’s literally what the degree is I am not worried about upsetting medical doctors
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euphronius posted:I think it’s done to call us doctors. It’s literally what the degree is I've never met a lawyer who called themself doctor. I'm actually shocked to see anyone here defend the idea, given how vociferously anti-"Esquire" the thread is. It seems way more pretentious to ask to be called "doctor" with a JD than to use "Esq."
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I personally prefer plain attorney, counselor and counsel Esquire is useful for letters to indicate that one of the parties is an attorney.
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euphronius posted:I personally prefer plain attorney, counselor and counsel That is literally the only circumstance where esq. is appropriate.
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