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In other rapist news, scientologist & actor Danny Masterson was found guilty of two counts of rape & faces up to 30 years in prison. He's considered a flight risk & was remanded into custody. Another rape case against him ended in a mistrial six months ago. quote:A Los Angeles jury has found former "That '70s Show" actor Danny Masterson guilty of two counts of forcible rape in a retrial of a case involving three women.
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HiroProtagonist posted:I would like you to refer to the very first item in my quoted post, the first I've ever made in this thread or in this subforum since 2015. I wasn't responding to your post, or to you at all. Only to MPF's characterization of perjury as a "minor" lie. I was not commenting about Ms. Reade outside the specific context of her expert testimony in the referenced cases. If it really bothers you, please feel free to substitute "a given expert witness" for Read's name in my post above. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Jun 1, 2023 01:07
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Litigating the testimony of survivors to try and cast doubt on their credibility falls in that underlined section I noted. I am aware you were not responding to me directly, however it appears there's a blind spot in this subforum and/or thread when it comes to moderating post regarding sexual abuses with justifications such as the one I highlighted and emphasized.
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Manchin is a 75 year old from West Virginia, if he were going to switch parties he would have done it already. His politics aren't the best and if you do the value above replacement argument Tester is still better, but nobody to his left could win that seat. Who the gently caress knows what Sinema is thinking, but Biden won Arizona and it elected a bunch of party line Democrats in the midterm. It's not really the same thing. (and Sinema actually left the Democratic party, Manchin didn't) edit: https://twitter.com/Al_Drago/status/1664038830511382529 James Garfield fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Willa Rogers posted:In other rapist news, scientologist & actor Danny Masterson was found guilty of two counts of rape & faces up to 30 years in prison. He's considered a flight risk & was remanded into custody. 2028 presidential candidate? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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HiroProtagonist posted:Litigating the testimony of survivors to try and cast doubt on their credibility falls in that underlined section I noted. The section you quoted references believing survivors when they You can tell this is different from what I was talking about, however, because I was talking about how credible and supported accusations of perjury may discredit the testimony of an expert witness --that is, testimony by an alleged expert witness (not a fact or victim witness testifying about their own personal experience!), in a courtroom, where the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt does apply, as do rules about expert testimony and the qualifications of experts. Expert witnesses and victim witnesses are two very different kinds of witness --- you're coming across as either disingenuous or ignorant here and I don't believe either is your intent. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Jun 1, 2023 01:18
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Main Paineframe posted:The Intercept article you posted says that there is no evidence that Reade got her college degree, and that neither Reade nor the University of Antioch has any record of her graduating from there. A discrepancy that has evidence on both sides, her accruing near enough credits to graduate before she went to Antioch, having completed the last steps needed to graduate aside from the credits, and the fact that she was a thesis evaluator employed by the university afterwards shows evidence she did graduate. This is race to lambast someone for something that has no clear evidence either way, but what is clear is that she did go to law school and that should be well enough for her expert work, which this whole lovely derail is all about. And that's just a lovely derail over the main disgusting argument that have charged through this thread for too many pages, that this pouring over educational records will invalidate her experience as a sexual assault victim. I'm gonna say it again. This thread and forum is not equipped to talk about Tara Reade without things getting horrible really quick and fast.
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Jun 1, 2023 01:27
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The section you quoted references believing survivors when they I don't think courts of law are (currently, in the United States) a good basis to either cast doubt on or justify allegations of rape or sexual assault, for the reasons I listed, and the website I sourced it from has additional justification as to why, if you're interested! This is applicable regardless of the context you were speaking in, as well. e: you can click on the link I inlined in the quote to go directly to the FAQ I quoted and formatted for BBcode, and from there there are resources listed along the top.
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HiroProtagonist posted:I don't think courts of law are (currently, in the United States) a good basis to either cast doubt on or justify allegations of rape or sexual assault, for the reasons I listed, and the website I sourced it from has additional justification as to why, if you're interested! This is applicable regardless of the context you were speaking in, as well. The american legal system isn't much good at anything except enforcing systemic racism. My intent genuinely was just to respond to the characterization of perjury as a "minor" lie. If it is true that she committed deliberate perjury, that would be a pretty major lie! That's what set me off! But hell, for what it's worth, maybe she didn't. It would be real weird if Antioch lost the records but weird poo poo does happen. She's just as entitled to the presumption of innocence on that as anyone else is on anything else.
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James Garfield posted:Manchin is a 75 year old from West Virginia, if he were going to switch parties he would have done it already. His politics aren't the best and if you do the value above replacement argument Tester is still better, but nobody to his left could win that seat. he holdin thag baby like hilary clinton was holding that cat lol
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Danny mother fuckin Masterson wheew Hope this poo poo represents even more of an annihilation of scientology's intended intrusions into pop culture and Hollywood
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Scientology is getting far less publicity, here's to hoping it is a dying cult rather than a cult that learned how to keep its head down.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
HiroProtagonist posted:I don't think courts of law are (currently, in the United States) a good basis to either cast doubt on or justify allegations of rape or sexual assault, for the reasons I listed, and the website I sourced it from has additional justification as to why, if you're interested! This is applicable regardless of the context you were speaking in, as well. To be clear, the text you (Hiro) quoted from uninterrupted dropping in with a one liner troll post also has nothing to do with what we were talking about previously and comes off like you were just dogpiling without actually considering the content of what people were posting back then. It doesn't seem like you really understand a fair bit of what was being discussed and are just listening to the people who are doing their best to misrepresent arguments and generally stoke a poo poo storm in this thread. Though, i'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that and ask for clarification with what you meant by that particular post? Archonex fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Shageletic posted:I'm gonna say it again. This thread and forum is not equipped to talk about Tara Reade without things getting horrible really quick and fast. Have you considered being the change you want to see? Less flippantly, and more broadly in this thread, we’ve all been told not to discuss her at least as far as credibility, and most of the discussion about her is circling around exactly that issue anyway. If avoiding the credibility debate is still the directive, it seems like the whole discussion would have to be shut down to avoid this because except for the allegations she made that we are not allowed to debate we would just be talking about a rando trying to move to Russia. Either that or the mods could just open the floodgates on this topic, which functionally seems to have happened anyway. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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BiggerBoat posted:I think people like Sinema and Manchin see a path forward for their careers as party switchers who can campaign on the whole "I didn't leave the Democrat Or she will run as a spoiler and try and cost the Dems her seat because she is delusional and thinks that the DNC is the problem and not her. Who knows. Either option is possible.
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Archonex posted:To be clear, the text you quoted from uninterrupted dropping in with a one liner troll post also has nothing to do with what we were talking about previously and comes off like you were just dogpiling without actually considering the content of what people were posting back then. It doesn't seem like you really understand a fair bit of what was being discussed and are just listening to the people who are doing their best to misrepresent arguments and generally stoke a poo poo storm in this thread. Pointing to resources run for and by survivors of rape to call out misbehavior in this thread is not a "troll post," at least by the definitions of D&D. Please engage with the source arguments, because the original purpose of that post was to point out that similar lines of argument were running rampant in this thread. This is sensitive to me personally, because as have many women, my spouse is also a survivor of rape and similar tactics were leveraged at her. However, the overall point stands.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I honestly don't know with Sinema....she may just not run for re-election at all and we never hear from her again as she goes off to take some six figure no-show job from one of her various donors who got what they wanted out of her being in the Senate. Sinema honestly comes off as narcissistic enough to believe that she's going to win despite having betrayed every person who ever propelled her to power. However, she's not a Ted Cruz type politician who is sly enough to get away with that despite their inherent sliminess and all around untrustworthiness. She honestly seems like she's in a bubble, what with the rumors she was convinced she was going to be able to run for president and win as a "maverick" candidate ala John Mccain. The more likely outcome is that she tries some bullshit at the last moment to screw over the dems and basically gets fully persona non grata'd for it instead of the 95-99% she's been cut out of the loop she has to deal with now. It's an open rumor that everyone on the dem side of the sitting politicians has given up trying to reason with her (Remember that endless series of demands and procrastination on her and Manchin's end, right up to Biden himself?) and are just pretending she doesn't exist while waiting for her to reap what she's sown by getting primaried out and if she pushes her luck that much further by trying to ruin the extremely slim advantage the dems have I honestly think they'll just go all out in trying to ruin her chances of even having any sort of political career out of retribution. Maybe she ends up on Fox News or another wingnut channel in a year or two after getting ousted as one of their token "left" leaning commentators or something. I'm honestly not even sure she has much of a career left in politics or even politics adjacent career paths given how badly she's hosed up by going out of her way to piss off anyone she would logically have to rely on or work with. HiroProtagonist posted:Pointing to resources run for and by survivors of rape to call out misbehavior in this thread is not a "troll post," at least by the definitions of D&D. You did not make a source argument. You literally just dropped a large wall of an organization's text in here with no comment other than "Mods, look at this post!" in a reply from a guy who said some deeply offensive stuff using a form of concern trolling to get away with it. I am asking you to clarify what your intent was, because it's murky and it can come off as pretty lovely otherwise. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt in this. Archonex fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Jun 1, 2023 01:45
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Archonex posted:r clarification with what you meant? I think I've been pretty clear. I was responding specifically to the characterization of an expert witness lying about their credentials from the witness stand as a "minor" lie. It isn't; it's a major source of injustice. Similar situations have resulted in thousands of convictions getting overturned. In some cases, even death penalty convictions overturned. I generally don't comment on Tara Reade discussions at all -- it's just a giant mess and I generally find I don't have anything useful to add to the discussion. But on that specific point MPF was just factually wrong -- expert witness perjury is actually a huge problem, and it's wrong to characterize it as "minor," even if it might seem so to a casual observer.
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So anyway I met the President/CEO of my company today who introduced me to the mayor of Akron, Ohio who was bitching about the railroads and East Palestine and I suggested why not nationalize the railroads if it's that important and he was like well he wouldn't go that far but the railroads think they've been around longer than anything so they think they have leverage and I was like "welp" and my father complained I didn't shave to meet nice people and bitched at me. So that's my story today to divert from the Tara Reade stuff. I was just going upstairs to grab free pizza too.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think I've been pretty clear. I was responding specifically to the characterization of an expert witness lying about their credentials from the witness stand as a "minor" lie. Oh no, i'm not asking you. I'm asking about this: HiroProtagonist posted:Mods, believe this post requires additional attention. Sorry I wasn't clear. I got your post and I agree with it. I was just trying to understand what the heck Hiro was doing quoting that guy with that because it looks incredibly toxic and i'm trying to figure out how the heck I can even respond to something like that
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Push El Burrito posted:Did you get the pizza? I got the pizza. I ate 5 slices. He ate pizza too.
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WarpedLichen posted:Scientology is getting far less publicity, here's to hoping it is a dying cult rather than a cult that learned how to keep its head down. A few years ago I applied for the "head of strategy" at a major educational games company (in Pasadena, hint), my qualifications were off the chart (at a similar company) I was credited for the strategy that resulted in a successful IPO in early 2000, bad timing). Well anyway, radio silence. Then I discovered that senior management were no fans of XENU, which explained a lot. :-)
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If anyone's interested in watching it in real time, they're finally voting on the Fiscal Responsibility Act. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmq_6isL-7c Surprisingly strong republican support after the complaining they were doing. They're over 50% gop voting yea.
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Velocity Raptor posted:If anyone's interested in watching it in real time, they're finally voting on the Fiscal Responsibility Act. yeah the black line for mccarthy getting voted to be replaced was "more republicans vote no than yes" and they're already over that line e: not that the freedom caucus isn't extremely likely to try anyway, to be fair
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Velocity Raptor posted:If anyone's interested in watching it in real time, they're finally voting on the Fiscal Responsibility Act. Craig K posted:yeah the black line for mccarthy getting voted to be replaced was "more republicans vote no than yes" and they're already over that line It makes me wonder however if the suicide caucus is going to go all in on removing him after this is all said and done just out of spite or for their crazy bigoted/extremist voters. Given how crazy and vicious they are I honestly wouldn't put it past them to at least try on a performative level to save their own skin.
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Appears it's passing with 259 yeas and growing as of now.
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Velocity Raptor posted:If anyone's interested in watching it in real time, they're finally voting on the Fiscal Responsibility Act. yeah, looks like it's already over the line. now the senate and biden have the weekend to get this finalized and put this stupid process out of mind for the next few years
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Kammat posted:Appears it's passing with 259 yeas and growing as of now. Lol there’s like 8 R votes left rn and they all need to be yes for McCarthy to deliver his 150.
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Also it does not surprise me but Boebert tried twice to submit a provision to make it so that people on medicaid had to work to get access to healthcare. Which has got to be one of the most disgusting and murderous things to come out of this. I'm still going through the bill itself but I really hoping they did not find a way to sneak that in since it will 100% get people who can't work for whatever reason killed. https://rules.house.gov/bill/118/hr-fiscal-responsibility-act The bill in the form as introduced in pdf form as of where it stood two days ago, for anyone wanting a direct link to it: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-118hr3746ih/pdf/BILLS-118hr3746ih.pdf Archonex fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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yronic heroism posted:Lol there’s like 8 R votes left rn and they all need to be yes for McCarthy to deliver his 150. Just short  
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Velocity Raptor posted:Just short . .. what does this mean?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:. .. what does this mean? McCarthy promised 150 R votes, but final vote tally only has 149 Rs voting Yea. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/facing-gop-backlash-mccarthy-works-to-shore-up-votes-for-debt-deal-in-time-to-prevent-u-s-default quote:“It is my expectation that House Republicans would keep their promise and deliver at least 150 votes as it relates to an agreement that they themselves negotiated,” Jeffries said. “Democrats will make sure that the country does not default.”
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:. .. what does this mean? short of the 150 republicans mccarthy promised, although i think one of the two NVs voted yes
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Does anyone remember why they can still vote for a while after the c span clock hits 0?Hieronymous Alloy posted:. .. what does this mean? Actually nothing since getting 150 seems just to maybe have been a dare from Jeffries, it’s not clear McCarthy promised that number but sounds like he promises a lot of things behind closed doors. But it’s not like he’s get in trouble for lying to the minority party. It passed as expected but more Rs are afraid of getting primaried than I expected from those numbers. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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also i am endlessly amused that every time i see a vote on cspan, the "time remaining" is 0:00 and like 40% of the voting chamber is still sitting in the "NV" column only to slowly trickle in over the next 5 to 10 minutes. guessing "time remaining" is more a polite suggestion than anything firm
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Gatts posted:Someone just resigned from Rohde Island? The hell? this guy? he's leaving to become some ceo of a nonprofit, i think, and it's not affecting congress's balance because the person replacing him's a democrat
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