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Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost

Craig K posted:

this guy? he's leaving to become some ceo of a nonprofit, i think, and it's not affecting congress's balance because the person replacing him's a democrat

No, it's some woman. She just came in at the end of the vote and said she's resigning. I don't know who she is.

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Velocity Raptor
Jul 27, 2007

I MADE A PROMISE
I'LL DO ANYTHING

Gatts posted:

No, it's some woman. She just came in at the end of the vote and said she's resigning. I don't know who she is.

No, it was Cicillini who resigned. The lady was just the secretary(?) for the house. She was reading his letter of resignation.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost

Velocity Raptor posted:

No, it was Cicillini who resigned. The lady was just the secretary(?) for the house. She was reading his letter of resignation.

Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification.

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

WarpedLichen posted:

Scientology is getting far less publicity, here's to hoping it is a dying cult rather than a cult that learned how to keep its head down.
Scientology is becoming a smaller, but more intensive cult. It’s a natural progression with this kind of thing. David Miscavige is still doing great and they’re pulling in more money than ever. It’ll die eventually, but it will be much longer than you think.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1664080985762279425?t=NDuBvw0Kx4uYtnffwTRJ4g&s=19

lmao

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

cat botherer posted:

Scientology is becoming a smaller, but more intensive cult. It’s a natural progression with this kind of thing. David Miscavige is still doing great and they’re pulling in more money than ever. It’ll die eventually, but it will be much longer than you think.

I'm not certain if it's still the case, but they were digging in extremely heavily into the government and property ownership in certain towns and cities down in Florida like Clearwater. The goal of which with retrospect appears to basically try and make it perceived as a scientology "owned" town that they could exert influence over like it was their own personal fiefdom.

So even if they're reduced in national influence they're thoroughly entrenched for the foreseeable future and have some pretty substantial financial holdings via property ownership. Especially given that the local republican government is more angry about minorities being able to peacefully exist than the actual literal dangerous cult that had a policy of ruining the lives of those that spoke out against it.

Archonex fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jun 1, 2023

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

hows this even possible, like if youre in congress and you have one job at all its to vote on poo poo. come on man

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

She probably would have voted no anyways. I encourage everyone to go look at the provisions and submissions she tried to put into that bill. It's all vile poo poo that would get people killed.

Alternatively, if someone got her on the hook for voting yes after all of that and she genuinely hosed up and ends up in the hot seat for missing her literal job then holy poo poo. :lmao:

Archonex fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jun 1, 2023

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008


They forgot the article

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ToastOfTardiness

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Archonex posted:

I'm not certain if it's still the case, but they were digging in extremely heavily into the government and property ownership in certain towns and cities down in Florida like Clearwater. The goal of which with retrospect appears to basically try and make it perceived as a scientology "owned" town that they could exert influence over like it was their own personal fiefdom.

So even if they're reduced in national influence they're thoroughly entrenched for the foreseeable future and have some pretty substantial financial holdings via property ownership. Especially given that the local republican government is more angry about minorities being able to peacefully exist than the actual literal dangerous cult that had a policy of ruining the lives of those that spoke out against it.
Yeah, they own a huge number of properties that only intermittently have a couple of people staffing them. As a religion, that lets them dodge taxes while maintaining massive holdings.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
MTG, Illhan Omar, Gym Jordan voted yes.

AOC, Katie Porter, Ro Khanna, Ayanna, Rashida, Anna Paulina, Gosar, others voted no.

Hell of a thing.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
I think there's a decent chance that Scientology does a Mormonism and becomes a more or l3ss accepted semi-mainstream religion. Joseph Smith tried to become essentially a king and did some minor to moderate terrorism, Elrond was a fascinating shithead (i understand why hes robert evans' favorite bastard) but not particularly worse than J-Dawg.

Craig K
Nov 10, 2016

puck

Craig K posted:

e: not that the freedom caucus isn't extremely likely to try anyway, to be fair

nailed it

quote:

Rep. Ken Buck told CNN after the debt limit deal passed the House that conservatives will be having discussions about ousting Speaker Kevin McCarthy “in the next week or two,” although he didn’t commit to following through with that threat.

“The discussion about the motion to vacate is going to happen in the next week or two,” Buck, who opposed the debt limit deal, told reporters Wednesday.

Buck added that he has received calls from constituents about removing McCarthy from the speakership.

“My constituents are furious and you know what's so interesting about the calls in the district? They are not only ‘vote against this bill,’ but they are ‘take McCarthy out.’ That's what the calls are coming in,” he said.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~



What the heck was she doing? Was she just outside playing Pokemon Go on her phone and lost track of time?

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Scientologist are making their serfdoms in a a state thats sinking into the ocean and another one that might be on fire and most of the year with occasional torrential rains and ash based mudslides.
seems like their god is angry at them and killing them with CC.

oh and Mormons have a desert state and may also get screwed by CC?

Ralepozozaxe
Sep 6, 2010

A Veritable Smorgasbord!

Either the Freedom Caucus fail to oust him and they look like idiots, or they succeed and McCarthy looks like an idiot, and then they have to try and find a new speaker and everyone get's to look like an idiot.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Gatts posted:

MTG, Illhan Omar, Gym Jordan voted yes.

AOC, Katie Porter, Ro Khanna, Ayanna, Rashida, Anna Paulina, Gosar, others voted no.

Hell of a thing.

I skipped the last couple pages, is this the debt ceiling thing

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



PhazonLink posted:

oh and Mormons have a desert state and may also get screwed by CC?

the great salt lake is disappearing at an alarming rate and its continued shrinkage stands a very good chance of causing massively harmful dust storms, a similar situation to what happened with the aral sea. salt lake city imo is more immediately imperiled than any city in florida.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I skipped the last couple pages, is this the debt ceiling thing

Yeah

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

What the heck was she doing? Was she just outside playing Pokemon Go on her phone and lost track of time?

maybe she missed it on purpose so she can say she didnt vote for it, but also that she didnt vote for financial armageddon

however im probably giving her too much credit

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Google Jeb Bush posted:

I think there's a decent chance that Scientology does a Mormonism and becomes a more or l3ss accepted semi-mainstream religion. Joseph Smith tried to become essentially a king and did some minor to moderate terrorism, Elrond was a fascinating shithead (i understand why hes robert evans' favorite bastard) but not particularly worse than J-Dawg.

It will have to change from being a pyramid scheme to giving their story away like every other religion. Its possibility for growth long-term is limited by how it sells everything to its members and has them spend their own money buying up pallets of Dianetics to keep it a best-seller. Every religion that lasts is completely open about their stupid supernatural beliefs and dumb rituals.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Google Jeb Bush posted:

I think there's a decent chance that Scientology does a Mormonism and becomes a more or l3ss accepted semi-mainstream religion. Joseph Smith tried to become essentially a king and did some minor to moderate terrorism, Elrond was a fascinating shithead (i understand why hes robert evans' favorite bastard) but not particularly worse than J-Dawg.

I think that already happened decades ago when scotus preserved its "religious" status.

And since then the "church" has only expanded its tentacles in all sorts of "non-profit" businesses that don't cary its name (and don't pay taxes, of course).

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Archonex posted:

I'm not certain if it's still the case, but they were digging in extremely heavily into the government and property ownership in certain towns and cities down in Florida like Clearwater. The goal of which with retrospect appears to basically try and make it perceived as a scientology "owned" town that they could exert influence over like it was their own personal fiefdom.

So even if they're reduced in national influence they're thoroughly entrenched for the foreseeable future and have some pretty substantial financial holdings via property ownership. Especially given that the local republican government is more angry about minorities being able to peacefully exist than the actual literal dangerous cult that had a policy of ruining the lives of those that spoke out against it.

Well yeah, they aren't doing anything Republicans don't approve of.

I AM GRANDO posted:

It will have to change from being a pyramid scheme to giving their story away like every other religion. Its possibility for growth long-term is limited by how it sells everything to its members and has them spend their own money buying up pallets of Dianetics to keep it a best-seller. Every religion that lasts is completely open about their stupid supernatural beliefs and dumb rituals.

Open question as to whether there's still a space for a mystery cult in the modern day, though I'm pretty sure the backlash against Scientology has pretty badly crippled their ability to recruit now, since no one takes them seriously anymore and they have no mystique except to people already so stupid they're probably already hoovered up by another cult.

Ershalim
Sep 22, 2008
Clever Betty

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

What the heck was she doing? Was she just outside playing Pokemon Go on her phone and lost track of time?

She was chasing after a school shooting survivor calling them a little bitch, probably.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Open question as to whether there's still a space for a mystery cult in the modern day, though I'm pretty sure the backlash against Scientology has pretty badly crippled their ability to recruit now, since no one takes them seriously anymore and they have no mystique except to people already so stupid they're probably already hoovered up by another cult.

I think the main trouble they have with recruitment is that the crazy conspiracy peddling business is straight-up mainstream now. Why go for thetans and marginalization when you can get your persecution complex gratis by just nodding along with the dominionists about the jewish space lasers.

God this country is loving stupid.

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Big stolen documents news.

So, a recording has been leaked of a meeting Trump had with aides in 2021, where he says the quiet part loud: basically, "yeah, these are the secret documents I kept, illegally, after I stopped being president, and was no longer allowed to have them."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/trump-tape-classified-document-iran-milley/index.html

Communist News Network posted:

Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021 meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified everything.

The recording indicates Trump understood he retained classified material after leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation. On the recording, Trump’s comments suggest he would like to share the information but he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records, two of the sources said.

CNN has not listened to the recording, but multiple sources described it. One source said the relevant portion on the Iran document is about two minutes long, and another source said the discussion is a small part of a much longer meeting.

Special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading the Justice Department investigation into Trump, has focused on the meeting as part of the criminal investigation into Trump’s handling of national security secrets. Sources describe the recording as an “important” piece of evidence in a possible case against Trump, who has repeatedly asserted he could retain presidential records and “automatically” declassify documents.

Prosecutors have asked witnesses about the recording and the document before a federal grand jury. The episode has generated enough interest for investigators to have questioned Gen. Mark Milley, one of the highest-ranking Trump-era national security officials, about the incident.

The July 2021 meeting was held at Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, with two people working on the autobiography of Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows as well as aides employed by the former president, including communications specialist Margo Martin. The attendees, sources said, did not have security clearances that would allow them access to classified information. Meadows didn’t attend the meeting, sources said.

Meadows’ autobiography includes an account of what appears to be the same meeting, during which Trump “recalls a four-page report typed up by (Trump’s former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Mark Milley himself. It contained the general’s own plan to attack Iran, deploying massive numbers of troops, something he urged President Trump to do more than once during his presidency.”

The document Trump references was not produced by Milley, CNN was told.

Investigators have questioned Milley about the episode in recent months, making him one of the highest-ranking national security officials from Trump’s administration to meet with the special counsel’s team. Milley’s spokesman Dave Butler declined to comment to CNN.

The revelation that the former president and commander-in-chief has been captured on tape discussing a classified document could raise his legal exposure as he continues his third bid for the White House. Trump has denied any wrongdoing.

A Trump campaign spokesman said “leaks” are meant to “inflame tensions” around Trump.
Not a perfect meeting.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

The U.S. House of Representatives has passed a law making Fentanyl as legally dangerous as... cannabis.

quote:

WASHINGTON — Lawmakers in the U.S. House have passed bipartisan legislation in an effort to curb staggering overdose deaths from illegal fentanyl substances that are illicitly produced and up to 50 times stronger than heroin.

The HALT Fentanyl Act, passed last week on a 289-133 vote with 74 Democratic votes and support from the Biden administration, would permanently categorize lab-made substances with similar chemical structures to fentanyl among the most strictly regulated drugs under U.S. law.

The Drug Enforcement Administration in 2015 temporarily defined 17 fentanyl-related substances as Schedule I — the category carrying the most severe criminal penalties. Congress has since extended the temporary scheduling multiple times.

While proponents who point to record-breaking overdose deaths say the legislation would hold traffickers accountable, numerous advocacy groups argue the bill is under researched and risks criminal charges for those in possession of small amounts of “harmless and inert substances,” according to a letter signed by 150 organizations.

Here's the Human Rights Watch statement opposing the legislation:

quote:

Dear Speaker McCarthy, Majority Leader Scalise, Minority Leader Jeffries, Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Ranking Member Frank Pallone, and Honorable Members of the U.S. House of Representatives:

The 158 undersigned national, state, and local public health, criminal justice reform, and civil rights organizations write today to urge you to reject and vote NO on the Halt All Lethal Trafficking of Fentanyl (HALT) Act (H.R. 467).

This bill permanently schedules fentanyl-related substances (FRS) on schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) based on a flawed class definition, imposes mandatory minimums, and fails to provide an offramp for removing inert or harmless substances from the drug schedule.

The classwide scheduling approach endorsed in the HALT Fentanyl Act classifies all FRS as schedule I drugs, reserved for substances with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.[1] This class definition, however, is a radical departure from drug scheduling practices as it relies exclusively on chemical structure without accounting for pharmacological effect based on the unproven hypothesis of chemical structure-function relationships.[2] Contrary to this hypothesis, structurally related substances can often have complementary therapeutic values. In fact, the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) has already acknowledged that some FRS are inert and that at least one may be an opioid antagonist that behaves like naloxone, which is itself an opium derivative that counteracts the effects of opioid drugs.[3] Classifying all FRS in schedule I places undue restrictions on research for therapeutic potential of FRS. This means that researchers and scientists are not able to study these substances at a time when the U.S. is experiencing record number overdose deaths.

The HALT Fentanyl Act also enshrines mandatory minimums for distribution of FRS under the Controlled Substances Act, an inappropriate mandate that criminalizes possibly inert or harmless substances. While some proponents of the HALT Fentanyl Act claim that the bill is not intended to interact with the criminal justice system and that mandatory minimums are primarily a deterrent against foreign import of FRS, this is simply inaccurate. The HALT Fentanyl Act expands mandatory minimums for both foreign importation crimes and domestic drug distribution offenses, including nonviolent drug distribution involving small quantities of drugs. What’s more, by automatically scheduling a huge swathe of substances in one fell swoop, the HALT Fentanyl Act would lead to very real criminal justice consequences, posing an unacceptable risk of unnecessary incarceration for substances that carry no potential for abuse. Such miscarriages of justice have already occurred. For instance, Todd Coleman was sentenced to a mandatory minimum of 10 years for sale of cocaine that a crime laboratory said was laced with three fentanyl analogues, only to discover, years later, that the detected adulterants were not illegal fentanyl analogues and most were not even controlled substances.[4]

Our country is repeating past missteps when it comes to policy responses to fentanyl and its analogues. In the 1980s, policymakers enacted severe mandatory minimums for small amounts of crack cocaine in response to media headlines and law enforcement warnings that perpetuated mythology and fear. These laws imposed harsher penalties for crack—a substance associated with Black people—than for cocaine—a substance associated with white people—even though the two substances are chemically similar. In the ensuing decades, people of color have been disproportionately incarcerated and sentenced to mandatory minimum sentences for small amounts of crack. The emergence of fentanyl-related substances in recent years has fueled similar waves of alarmist media and law enforcement headlines that are informed by mythology rather than science. Any further extension of the classwide scheduling policy threatens to repeat past missteps with crack cocaine that policymakers are still working to rectify.

The classwide scheduling policy expands the application of existing severe mandatory minimum sentencing laws enacted by Congress in the 1980s to a newly scheduled class of fentanyl-related compounds. For example, just a trace amount of a fentanyl analogue in a mixture with a combined weight of 10 grams—10 paper clips—can translate into a five-year mandatory minimum with no evidence needed that the seller even knew it contained fentanyl. In addition, current laws impose a statutory maximum sentence of 20 years for just a trace amount of a fentanyl analogue in a mixture with a combined weight of less than 10 grams.[5] The truth of the matter is that lawmakers do not need to impose new mandatory minimums in order to prosecute fentanyl analogue cases because law enforcement officials already have the ability to prosecute these cases pursuant to the Controlled Substance Analogue Enforcement Act of 1986, which requires that prosecutors show the substances in question are harmful.[6]

Despite the threat of grave injustices in the criminal legal system, the current lack of research on FRS, and indications that some FRS are harmless or hold therapeutic potential, the HALT Fentanyl Act does not include an offramp to reschedule or remove FRS that research has proven to be pharmacologically inactive or do not meet schedule I criteria. Though it includes research reforms for schedule I substances, the bill excludes the possibility of such research impacting the criminalization of FRS. Other proposed FRS legislation, including the Biden proposal for FRS, the Save Americans from the Fentanyl Emergency (SAFE) Act (H.R. 6946) introduced by Rep. Chris Pappas (D-NH), and the Temporary Emergency Scheduling and Testing of Fentanyl Analogues Act (TEST) Act of 2022 (S. 5167) introduced by Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ), provide this offramp, ensuring that substances can be removed from schedule I to prevent miscarriages of justice. Without a rescheduling process, the HALT Fentanyl Act may unjustly promote criminalization of harmless or inert substances.

The HALT Fentanyl Act and other bills proposing the permanent classwide scheduling of FRS are yet another iteration of the drug war’s ineffective and punitive strategies. To prevent overdose, Congress must invest in a public health solutions to mitigate the harms of illicit fentanyl. We urge Congress to support bills like the Support, Treatment, and Overdose Prevention of Fentanyl (STOP Fentanyl) Act of 2021 (H.R. 2366) introduced by Rep. Ann Kuster (D-NH) and Rep. Lisa Blunt Rochester (D-DE), which proposes increased access to harm reduction services and substance use disorder treatment, improved data collection, and other evidence-based methods to reduce overdose, and the TEST Act, which provides funding for FRS research and offers alternative strategies to simultaneously address the opioid epidemic while preventing backsliding on criminal justice reform.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. Please contact Maritza Perez Medina, Director of the Office of Federal Affairs of the Drug Policy Alliance, at mperez@drugpolicy.org for questions about this letter or to further discuss this matter.

Sincerely,

ACLU of Nevada (NV)
AIDS Alabama (AL)
AIDS Foundation Chicago (IL)
AIDS United
American Civil Liberties Union
American Friends Service Committee
Appalachian Learning Initiative (WV)
Association of Black Social Workers (Virginia Union University) (VA)
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Justice Strategies
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cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



There's always more (tapes) and they're always worse

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Ralepozozaxe posted:

Either the Freedom Caucus fail to oust him and they look like idiots, or they succeed and McCarthy looks like an idiot, and then they have to try and find a new speaker and everyone get's to look like an idiot.

One can only hope :allears:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Ralepozozaxe posted:

Either the Freedom Caucus fail to oust him and they look like idiots, or they succeed and McCarthy looks like an idiot, and then they have to try and find a new speaker and everyone get's to look like an idiot.

i honestly can't loving believe that apparently the biden admin just straight up rolled the GOP legislators

i was expecting the vote to be, if not a disastrous not-quite-passing shitshow, at least a narrowly passing shitshow

alas

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
in the words of a wise poster, maybe kevin mccarthy isn't a very good negotiator

logger
Jun 28, 2008

...and in what manner the Ancyent Marinere came back to his own Country.
Soiled Meat

My mom is a retired nurse and did hospice care, part of what she did for her patients end of life care was administer Fentanyl patches to make her patients last days go by peacefully. It's foolish to even have cannabis scheduled as it is, but to say there is no medical need for Fentanyl will lead to a lot of people dying in agony.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

I AM GRANDO posted:

It will have to change from being a pyramid scheme to giving their story away like every other religion. Its possibility for growth long-term is limited by how it sells everything to its members and has them spend their own money buying up pallets of Dianetics to keep it a best-seller. Every religion that lasts is completely open about their stupid supernatural beliefs and dumb rituals.

I wouldn't say LDS is completely open about its dumb rituals

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Archonex posted:

Also it does not surprise me but Boebert tried twice to submit a provision to make it so that people on medicaid had to work to get access to healthcare.

Somebody wanna take tarantula eggs for brains here to your average medicaid nursing home where they got one CNA running around between 16 fall risk dementia elderly per floor and tell her oHKAY line all the residents up, which ones have to be dishwashers to live and which get bussed to a call center

This is one of those things where when you sit down and really think about it, it makes you feel like anyone trying to do something like this is actually kind of just straight up evil? Like you genuinely get to call it a satisfied philosophical matter

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Staluigi posted:

Somebody wanna take tarantula eggs for brains here to your average medicaid nursing home where they got one CNA running around between 16 fall risk dementia elderly per floor and tell her oHKAY line all the residents up, which ones have to be dishwashers to live and which get bussed to a call center

This is one of those things where when you sit down and really think about it, it makes you feel like anyone trying to do something like this is actually kind of just straight up evil? Like you genuinely get to call it a satisfied philosophical matter

I doubt she has a firm grasp of what Medicaid is

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Staluigi posted:

Somebody wanna take tarantula eggs for brains here to your average medicaid nursing home where they got one CNA running around between 16 fall risk dementia elderly per floor and tell her oHKAY line all the residents up, which ones have to be dishwashers to live and which get bussed to a call center

This is one of those things where when you sit down and really think about it, it makes you feel like anyone trying to do something like this is actually kind of just straight up evil? Like you genuinely get to call it a satisfied philosophical matter

She obviously doesn't give a poo poo if those people die, she would unhesitatingly pull the big trolley problem lever to annihilate every single Medicaid recipient if it got her 3 seconds of airtime on Fox News and an approving retweet from Kevin Sorbo.

Replace every Congressional aid with nursing home patients

UKJeff
May 17, 2023

by vyelkin

logger posted:

My mom is a retired nurse and did hospice care, part of what she did for her patients end of life care was administer Fentanyl patches to make her patients last days go by peacefully. It's foolish to even have cannabis scheduled as it is, but to say there is no medical need for Fentanyl will lead to a lot of people dying in agony.

Fentanyl is the IV opioid of choice in most medical applications, in fact. Morphine and many other opioids stimulate the release of histamine , a potent vasodilator. This can lead to a dangerous drop in blood pressure, especially in patients who are critically ill or undergoing surgery. Additionally, patients with kidney failure—also common in critically ill patients, and many others—will be unable to excrete some of the morphine metabolites, leading to dangerously high levels thereof

Fentanyl avoids both of these issues nicely, it’s a very “clean” analgesic. In my experience, it’s probably used 20x as much as morphine in the US. Remifentanil and alfentanil are based off fentanyl IIRC, and are more potent and shorter acting, sometimes used in anesthesia

What I don’t understand is how these “FRS” can be classified as schedule I , given that the definition of schedule I means “currently no accepted medical uses”. Granted, it’s not like that’s true of heroin or cannabis either. Still, not exactly progressive drug legislation

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Failed Imagineer posted:

She obviously doesn't give a poo poo if those people die, she would unhesitatingly pull the big trolley problem lever to annihilate every single Medicaid recipient if it got her 3 seconds of airtime on Fox News and an approving retweet from Kevin Sorbo.

Replace every Congressional aid with nursing home patients

The difficult decision would be if she was forced to choose between killing every medicaid recipient and three seconds of airtime.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Gatts posted:

MTG, Illhan Omar, Gym Jordan voted yes.

AOC, Katie Porter, Ro Khanna, Ayanna, Rashida, Anna Paulina, Gosar, others voted no.

Hell of a thing.

I'm curious why the dems voted the way they did, have any of them said why they voted for/against the bill?

Also lol at MTG voting for the bill, wasn't she just calling it terrible a day or two prior and saying McCarthy would be voted out over it, or was that another of the wing nuts on the right?

I'm guessing a lot of the R yays were because they had sternly-worded phonecalls/emails from their financial backers who would greatly prefer NOT having the economy implode.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender

Randalor posted:

I'm curious why the dems voted the way they did, have any of them said why they voted for/against the bill?

Probably for the same reasons why several people in this thread were unhappy with it: Unnecessary additions of work requirements to SNAP, and disapproval of the GOP taking the world economy hostage. The procedural vote earlier in the day informed the Democratic party how many votes they'd need to pass it (how many could get away with voting against it).

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brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


UKJeff posted:

Fentanyl is the IV opioid of choice in most medical applications, in fact. Morphine and many other opioids stimulate the release of histamine , a potent vasodilator. This can lead to a dangerous drop in blood pressure, especially in patients who are critically ill or undergoing surgery. Additionally, patients with kidney failure—also common in critically ill patients, and many others—will be unable to excrete some of the morphine metabolites, leading to dangerously high levels thereof

Fentanyl avoids both of these issues nicely, it’s a very “clean” analgesic. In my experience, it’s probably used 20x as much as morphine in the US. Remifentanil and alfentanil are based off fentanyl IIRC, and are more potent and shorter acting, sometimes used in anesthesia

What I don’t understand is how these “FRS” can be classified as schedule I , given that the definition of schedule I means “currently no accepted medical uses”. Granted, it’s not like that’s true of heroin or cannabis either. Still, not exactly progressive drug legislation

My wife's epidural for childbirth was a big ol bag of fentanyl

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