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COPE 27 posted:Yeah I think it's inarguable that Airbnb should be outright banned in GTA and lower mainland, and heavily restricted if not banned everywhere else. Want to hear something really dumb? Because Airbnb is not headquartered in Ontario they can avoid a ton of regulation, but if someone from Ontario wants to start up a competing short-term rental website they fall under the purview of the Travel Industry Council of Ontario and have to comply with a slew of consumer protection regulations.
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This "naughty list" of bad municipalities has all the ones you'd figure, like the excusive rich neighbourhoods of West Vancouver and Oak Bay that have built practically nothing. Funny thing is though that given that it's separated by municipality, very large municipalities may skate by without being singled out even though they're building very little in their own rich areas because elsewhere in their massive municipality they're building lots. Surrey would be an example of this, where they're rapidly densifying in North Surrey, but in South Surrey it's pretty low density stuff. Or Vancouver singled out here in the list yes, but huge differences between its downtown development and the huge areas of the city where zero development beyond single family areas is allowed. On that last point, I'm really curious if the NDP is going to just look at the numbers that get delivered or if there will be a closer look at what is getting built and where, through a social democratic lens. I could absolutely see Ken Sim's ABC majority council just wanting to meet their targets by upping the density in Downtown and approving a ton of towers in areas like Broadway where towers are already approved, and where there are already many rental buildings, while continuing a freeze on any and all redevelopment in the exclusive rich single family areas of their supporters. BC NDP shouldn't let that happen. They should force a broader intensification of housing that is applied equitably.
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MeinPanzer posted:They’re now literally unable to find anyone to fill the role because no one can find housing within a reasonable distance, so the person I know has had to come out of retirement for the near future. No, they did not have to come out of retirement. They had to say “ooh, tough one. best of luck, I’m off to read on the beach”.
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McGavin posted:Want to hear something really dumb? Because Airbnb is not headquartered in Ontario they can avoid a ton of regulation, but if someone from Ontario wants to start up a competing short-term rental website they fall under the purview of the Travel Industry Council of Ontario and have to comply with a slew of consumer protection regulations. It only took like 15 years for Amazon to charge HST? I'm sure we'll get right on that
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God I might need to start reading the Times Colonist again for the letters page, it was amazing after the speculation and vacancy tax came out Oak bay is going to lose their poo poo about being on this list and I am here for it
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Hizawk posted:Did property viewings in the Ottawa area and the real estate agent says, 'Theres a problem with this next property. A very elderly tenant is still living in this property and when you buy it they will be evicted. Evicting tenants can be a time consuming process, Did you want to view the property?' Lol our landlady evicted us to move her early-twenties daughter into the place, because she and her husband were just couldn't find a cheap enough three bedroom so they could both have home offices. We just handed the keys over today, and the landlady just keeps trying to act super friendly and fish for forgiveness. She actually asked me if I was now "OK" with moving out. I wasn't about to give her an earful until we have the deposit back, but no lady, you kicked a family with a two-year-old out of their home, and our life has been hell the last two months, and will likely continue to be as our toddler grieves the loss of his home via constant meltdowns. "Oh but the rent was so high, it's just so hard to say no." The twenty-something Instagram-princess daughter can gently caress right off too.
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Subjunctive posted:No, they did not have to come out of retirement. They had to say “ooh, tough one. best of luck, I’m off to read on the beach”. Exactly what I said. But she's a boomer with a strong sense of obligation to her colleagues. My point is that in a lot of those municipalities institutions have only continued to function because they can rely on boomers and maybe some gen-Xers who own homes relatively close by. As people begin to retire en masse, a lot of workplaces are basically being held together with duct tape in these kinds of fragile arrangements. In planning apparently the only municipalities in the Victoria-area that can hold on to younger professionals are the Western Communities because they're the only place where anyone can achieve anything approaching a decent standard of living. Just as the mass retirement that occurred during the pandemic led to a much tighter labour market, I think we're going to see a dramatic shift in the coming years as the core of boomers who are still working retire and suddenly employers can't replace anyone. quote:God I might need to start reading the Times Colonist again for the letters page, it was amazing after the speculation and vacancy tax came out The Times Colonist letters page is an absolute gem, and a must-read every time I go back to Victoria. There are the perennial hits like bike lanes, but then you occasionally get a real barn burner like the museum deciding to get rid of its colonial exhibition; I loved the potent mix of revery and incandescent rage the latter produced in seemingly every Oak Bay resident. MeinPanzer fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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I am still steamed that the museum got rid of the submarine ride, but I never wrote a letter about it.
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I still keep thinking Australia when I hear Victoria, I feel the real estate situation is pretty much the same.MeinPanzer posted:My point is that in a lot of those municipalities institutions have only continued to function because they can rely on boomers and maybe some gen-Xers who own homes relatively close by. As people begin to retire en masse, a lot of workplaces are basically being held together with duct tape in these kinds of fragile arrangements. In planning apparently the only municipalities in the Victoria-area that can hold on to younger professionals are the Western Communities because they're the only place where anyone can achieve anything approaching a decent standard of living. Really getting Interesting as the contradictions reach breaking point- tearing out all the infrastructure that let people function in the name of number go up until suddenly no one can afford to work for you anymore.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Really getting Interesting as the contradictions reach breaking point- tearing out all the infrastructure that let people function in the name of number go up until suddenly no one can afford to work for you anymore. There’s going to be a really painful phase once most boomers have retired but before they begin dying off en masse in which employers won’t be able to find people to fill all kinds of positions because housing is too expensive.
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MeinPanzer posted:My point is that in a lot of those municipalities institutions have only continued to function because they can rely on boomers and maybe some gen-Xers who own homes relatively close by. As people begin to retire en masse, a lot of workplaces are basically being held together with duct tape in these kinds of fragile arrangements. In planning apparently the only municipalities in the Victoria-area that can hold on to younger professionals are the Western Communities because they're the only place where anyone can achieve anything approaching a decent standard of living. Ghost Leviathan posted:Really getting Interesting as the contradictions reach breaking point- tearing out all the infrastructure that let people function in the name of number go up until suddenly no one can afford to work for you anymore. It's such a good example of why politically-charged no-growth NIMBYism is a self-correcting problem. I'm paraphrasing Nolan Gray here, but not wanting your community to change requires that very thing to happen. A single-family residential dominated neighbourhood will eventually have its inhabitants age out, with younger generations unable to afford moving in, because you didn't build any potential housing (like apartments) for them for decades. Congratulations: you've just finished sowing, so now you get to enjoy what you reap.
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Maybe I have a skewed set of friends but I feel that this shift happened only remarkably recently in the last few years, perhaps exacerbated by the pandemic. Prior to 2019 I still had tons of millennial friends and friends of friends and colleagues all living in relatively affordable rent controlled apartments in City of Vancouver proper. Almost no one owned their own place and I dunno the BC Speculation Tax just hit and sales were stagnating so I dunno people were waiting and seeing to see if maybe prices would significantly drop and some change would come to the market. Fast forward a few years and I look around at friends and friends of friends and colleagues and it sure does seem like I know more people who have moved away. Either off to the island or to buy some good value condo a few towns over in New Westminster. The pandemic and WFH and the sudden turn around for the market to turn hot again through the pandemic and the increasing agedness of millennials might have all been factors in driving acceptance of the housing situation and a need to make lifestyle changes if they were going to afford to buy a home.
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Welp turns out the yimbys were right. Gas thread and ban CI. https://twitter.com/StuartBDonovan/status/1664147412871684096?s=20 Turns out that if you broadly upzone, a lot more homes get built and rent increase pace stagnates
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Femtosecond posted:Maybe I have a skewed set of friends but I feel that this shift happened only remarkably recently in the last few years, perhaps exacerbated by the pandemic. Same. I remember back in the mid-to-late 2010s one of the standard lines in this thread was that people who bought at ridiculous prices were stupid because rents were relatively low even in larger markets, so you were better off just renting and investing the money you saved. There were exceptions—3+ bedroom houses being the main one—but generally speaking you could live comfortably if you rented as, say, a young couple in Vancouver or Toronto. That’s all gone out the window now as rents even on studios skyrocket.
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Femtosecond posted:Welp turns out the yimbys were right. Gas thread and ban CI. On some level I understand it but the cynicism I see in some places that amounts to "what's the point of building anything when investors are just going to scoop it up" has been a bit ridiculous.
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leftist heap posted:On some level I understand it but the cynicism I see in some places that amounts to "what's the point of building anything when investors are just going to scoop it up" has been a bit ridiculous. Unfortunately, it is a true statement as long as housing = investment is a true statement. As long as that is how housing is viewed by people with a say, there is no way enough housing will be built* to punch through that investor purchasing wall. That it would be a bad investment, and who is doing that? * please build so much housing that my home stops being an investment
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Femtosecond posted:Welp turns out the yimbys were right. Gas thread and ban CI. Speaking of which... Whatever happened to CI? Did they go insane after being Mod challenged to marathon and positively critique all episodes of "Still Standing"?
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Oak Bay resident reaction on social media so far: -Guy is going on about how housing targets and forced upzoning is authoritarian and oppressive and anti-democratic. You see when the government comes in and says it's illegal to build new housing on people's private property, that's freedom. When the democratically elected government says people can do more things with their private property, that's authoritarianism. -Oak Bay is full. There's no empty land for new housing. Where could this housing go?? On parks? On greenspace? Where else? No possible other options since obviously it would be unfair to FORCE people to demolish their houses. -No one who owns houses in oak bay would be willing to sell to developers, thus the government is clearly going to start forcing people out of oak bay to make room.
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Oak bay resident: “First, they transported all the homeless people to the border with City of Victoria, and I said nothing…”
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Baronjutter posted:-No one who owns houses in oak bay would be willing to sell to developers, thus the government is clearly going to start forcing people out of oak bay to make room. I suspect the inheritors of the estates of the Oak Bay elderly are going to think differently!
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Femtosecond posted:I suspect the inheritors of the estates of the Oak Bay elderly are going to think differently! Yeah, reverse mortgage companies have no sentimental attachment to the houses.
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Also Oak Bay people were saying "construction in oak bay is already intense! How much more do they want" the intense construction in oak bay has seen the entire city add a net of I believe 2 units over the last 5 years. There IS constant construction, but it's entirely people knocking down an old 2 million dollar mansion to put up a 6 million dollar mansion the size of an apartment building. But a duplex half the size? Would destroy the character.
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Community character refers to the one person permitted to live there.
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Baronjutter posted:Also Oak Bay people were saying "construction in oak bay is already intense! How much more do they want" There's that apartment building going up across from red barn and...uh
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Femtosecond posted:This "naughty list" of bad municipalities has all the ones you'd figure, like the excusive rich neighbourhoods of West Vancouver and Oak Bay that have built practically nothing. Funny thing is though that given that it's separated by municipality, very large municipalities may skate by without being singled out even though they're building very little in their own rich areas because elsewhere in their massive municipality they're building lots. Surrey would be an example of this, where they're rapidly densifying in North Surrey, but in South Surrey it's pretty low density stuff. Or Vancouver singled out here in the list yes, but huge differences between its downtown development and the huge areas of the city where zero development beyond single family areas is allowed. I remain adamant that having Jericho Grounds in West Point Grey is the funniest poo poo. I can still remember the utter loving disgust parents at the OLPH school i went to in 1st grade had at me existing there being a loving poor from a military family (and I'm white as balls) and it's cathartic to this day and I hope all their mansions burn down sometime. Just the largest concentration of utter wastes of oxygen.
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StealthArcher posted:I remain adamant that having Jericho Grounds in West Point Grey is the funniest poo poo. I can still remember the utter loving disgust parents at the OLPH school i went to in 1st grade had at me existing there being a loving poor from a military family (and I'm white as balls) and it's cathartic to this day and I hope all their mansions burn down sometime. The icing on top is that it's been given to local First Nations to develop into high-density housing, along with the old RCMP headquarters at Heather and 33rd. It's probably the most progressive thing the City has ever done. I'm 100% sure the mansion-residents are having conniptions.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:The icing on top is that it's been given to local First Nations to develop into high-density housing, along with the old RCMP headquarters at Heather and 33rd. It's probably the most progressive thing the City has ever done. I'm 100% sure the mansion-residents are having conniptions. Conniption themselves right into endless heart attacks if they could, I'm glad an even SCURRIER outcome for them has been realised
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Why do so many people in this thread live in Victoria, it's not even that big!!
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Cause it's nice to ride a bike in.
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I was born and raised in Victoria, but I moved away for work and it SUCKS. Would move back in a heartbeat.
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Alctel posted:Why do so many people in this thread live in Victoria, it's not even that big!! Canada post says I live in Langford now. gently caress you, stew young! Im interested to see if that alone lowers values in langford compared to colwood etc.
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Alctel posted:Why do so many people in this thread live in Victoria, it's not even that big!! I don’t live there but I am from there. It does feel strangely overrepresented in this thread, though (and even SA in general).
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sitchensis posted:I don’t live there but I am from there. It does feel strangely overrepresented in this thread, though (and even SA in general).
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Yep, same, born and raised in Victoria but moved away for work about a decade ago now and haven’t moved back. The place I live now has a reasonably normal economy and real estate market and I can actually enjoy a good quality of life. My dream is to move back when I retire, but with the way things have been for my entire adult life I don’t have a lot of hope that that will be possible  It is wild checking in with old friends who went to university with me and got a similar degree because I can basically view what my life would have been like had I stayed: I would have gotten a provincial government job, bought a condo or maybe a small rancher if we’d gotten onto the market early enough, and probably ended up somewhere in lower middle management.
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I moved away from the Island because there was no work... now I have a high paying career but I can't move back because there is no housing.
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Sounds like the honeymoon is over and media finally realizing that the new ABC majority Vancouver council hasn't done anything at all on housing. quote:Affordable housing needs more than just empty homes tax Kind of funny how Abundant Housing can't help themselves from dragging the Speculation/Empty Homes Tax, which they've always hated lol (I presume because it was a big distraction away from talking about building More Supply).
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Femtosecond posted:Sounds like the honeymoon is over and media finally realizing that the new ABC majority Vancouver council hasn't done anything at all on housing. I kinda just read that as "yes ABC bending on the empty homes tax sucks, but it's a drop in the bucket". They're mostly going after CACs, which for a single development are more than the entire empty homes tax refund ABC gave. I don't think they're wrong. But lol, if anyone can put together an actual coalition willing to address housing, I doubt ABC are getting in again next election. Turns out their housing plan of magically making development permit approval go faster without actually hiring any more staff was a fantasy, and their actual platform is just "do whatever a handful of rich people think is the issue du jour".
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