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MightyBigMinus posted:the curve for the impact of methane is measureable in months. the curve for the impact of co2 is that about 80% of its effect occurs in the first 2 -3 years, 90+% of it by the 5th year, and then it tapers out and takes 10 years to get to 100%. that does mean that we have a cascade of baked in warming always folllowing behind us, but its only about 5 years worth. Thanks for this post. I didn’t know this!
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Jun 1, 2023 20:02
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MightyBigMinus posted:you can marginally increase or decrease the number of dead indians/africans in 5 years. Thread title
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Jun 1, 2023 20:12
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MightyBigMinus posted:this is completely wrong. i'm not sure exactly where you got the impression that i have no empathy for the global south since when i say "we" i do mean people in general. like, all of them. i'm cognizant of the fact that they will suffer first and more than people in westernized countries. i do think that people dying by the millions because of the consequences of the climate we have right now at this very loving second is sad and awful, even if we abate that in five years, which i don't feel confident that we will. that being said, the assumption that i was "shouting loudly and ignorantly" at anyone seems more like a projection on your part. i'm not clear on where i claimed that this was exclusively a science or physics problem. i don't see how i'm being ignorant by assuming that despite the fact that the environment is rapidly eroding around us in a very noticeable way, that some people are still going to fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo, particularly in the western world. like. yes. it's a social problem. a big one. the big one, really, that i do not see changing rapidly and intensely enough any time soon to make a huge difference since on an individual level, i personally do not have the power to change what massive corporations are doing nor does anyone around me. what does "do something" mean in this context?
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Jun 1, 2023 20:34
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Just a Moron posted:To help grasp the scale of this, using 4.18 J/g*C heat capacity and 1.35*1018 metric tons of ocean, this works out to about 1.25*1024 J or 300 teratons of TNT or about 6 million Tsar Bomba detonations. that's fine. everything is fine
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Jun 1, 2023 20:35
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two-time fee posted:I just want more Hubbert bdelloid pics, as long as the energy used in their production is esg compliant.   edit: the bdelloids give me photoshop practice, which I appreciate. Hubbert has issued a correction as of 21:14 on Jun 1, 2023 |
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Jun 1, 2023 20:39
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cash crab posted:i'm not sure exactly where you got the impression that i have no empathy for the global south since when i say "we" i do mean people in general. like, all of them. i'm cognizant of the fact that they will suffer first and more than people in westernized countries. i do think that people dying by the millions because of the consequences of the climate we have right now at this very loving second is sad and awful, even if we abate that in five years, which i don't feel confident that we will. that being said, the assumption that i was "shouting loudly and ignorantly" at anyone seems more like a projection on your part. i'm not clear on where i claimed that this was exclusively a science or physics problem. 243 words to avoid acknowledging that 5 != 100 hey where'd you get that 100 btw? could it have been straight from your rear end in a top hat? i bet it waaaaass.
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Jun 1, 2023 20:43
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Calm down, everyone. Things aren't that bad yet.
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Jun 1, 2023 20:44
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https://twitter.com/MkBlyth/status/1664346534920462367quote:Earth has pushed past seven out of eight scientifically established safety limits and into “the danger zone,” not just for an overheating planet that’s losing its natural areas, but for the well-being of people living on it, according to a new study.
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Jun 1, 2023 20:52
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MightyBigMinus posted:243 words to avoid acknowledging that 5 != 100 uh, okay
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Jun 1, 2023 21:00
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oh, sick, but not dead. that's fine
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Jun 1, 2023 21:01
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TehSaurus posted:Thanks for this post. I didn’t know this! Nah, that whole post is grossly incorrect and conveniently ignores recent papers on the subject such as Hansens "Warming in the Pipeline". IIRC, MBM is an aggressive electric vehicle and "green" hydrogen stan so it's not surprising they are also grasping at straws in regards to GHG warming impacts.
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Jun 1, 2023 21:06
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK0P1Bk8Cx4
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Jun 1, 2023 21:22
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Just a Moron posted:To help grasp the scale of this, using 4.18 J/g*C heat capacity and 1.35*1018 metric tons of ocean, this works out to about 1.25*1024 J or 300 teratons of TNT or about 6 million Tsar Bomba detonations. hell fuckin yeah
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Jun 1, 2023 21:36
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https://twitter.com/DielFactor/status/1663939243817746432?s=20 It’s always some shithead real estate agent from Florida… can’t wait for +2C when half that state is underwater
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Jun 1, 2023 21:52
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florida must be made an example of
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Jun 1, 2023 21:58
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Bob Ross Nuke Test posted:Nah, that whole post is grossly incorrect aww man 
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Jun 1, 2023 22:10
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MightyBigMinus posted:this is completely wrong. Now that we've got that sorted, do you want to go into how you think electric cars are a good idea, or how nuclear power is a bad idea again? If I may speak for everyone ITT, we'd love to hear your insights!
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Jun 1, 2023 22:25
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Children could read that graph. I honestly don't think MightyBigMinus is too stupid to read that graph, I think they are blinded by some kind of bias.
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Jun 1, 2023 22:35
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Denial, Anger, Bargaining, many options.
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Jun 1, 2023 22:37
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Also it doesn't take into account all the different types of GHG, some of them are much longer term than others.
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Jun 1, 2023 22:41
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i'm sorry about your dog, stereotype  pain is the flip side of love, and you gave them a really good life at a time when those are hard to come by
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Jun 1, 2023 22:54
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rip dog good dog
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Jun 1, 2023 23:51
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condolences for the loss of your friend
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Jun 2, 2023 00:25
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we are totally going to snowpiercer ourselves
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Jun 2, 2023 00:26
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Wheeee posted:we are totally going to snowpiercer ourselves
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Jun 2, 2023 00:26
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well no not the cool parts, just the bad parts
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Jun 2, 2023 00:28
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Wheeee posted:well no not the cool parts, just the bad parts
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Jun 2, 2023 00:30
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don't forget the small children as literal cogs in the machine
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Jun 2, 2023 00:32
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MightyBigMinus posted:this is completely wrong. this is wrong for reasons already posted but I'm curious how constructive you think it is to update a few hundred million tombstones with more accurate information stating that people did it instead of physics Also temperature doesn't equal the climate. It's a variable you are wrong about in a complex system that is already breaking down. Even if you were right that carbon somehow stops affecting the atmosphere after a few years it doesn't really matter when crops don't grow. You can't convince seeds to germinate by telling them they just need to wait 2 more years for carbon to stop working. Edit: poo poo, nobody give the government this dumb idea. Instead of measuring the carbon content of the atmosphere they would just measure how much carbon had been emitted in the past 3 years and claim everything that existed before that is graded on a curve as only 20% carbon. They could sell it as the largest emission reduction in human history. We'd be at 100ppm. Rectal Death Adept has issued a correction as of 00:52 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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Jun 2, 2023 00:37
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Buy your (grandfathered) Phoenix, Arizona dream house NOW: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/01/us/arizona-phoenix-groundwater-limits-development-climate/index.html Don't worry, though. Big industry is exempt! 
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Jun 2, 2023 00:50
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Buy your (grandfathered) Phoenix, Arizona dream house NOW: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/01/us/arizona-phoenix-groundwater-limits-development-climate/index.html well sort of, they have to show they can supply water through a method other than groundwater
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Jun 2, 2023 01:05
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Ethical controlled degrowth is so politically difficult I'd guess it's actually impossible at the scale needed. We're just going to get savage uncontrolled degrowth instead.
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Jun 2, 2023 01:22
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Stereotype posted:my dog died today and I’m sad about it, so I came to this thread to cheer myself up Ah, man. We're taking care of the neighbour's dog as well as our two for the next few days. I'll give the pack an extra hug. Especially the old girl who'll be walking that path herself far too soon. Microplastics posted:I heard Stereotype sequestered some carbon today so that's something. This confirms my suspicion that this thread is turning some of us into ecological palliative care nurses, complete with the sense of humour. We've been on this property long enough that there are a lot of little graves in the orchard now. The next time I find myself trudging up the hill shovel in hand I will think about this post and smile. Jerk. 
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Jun 2, 2023 01:30
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starkebn posted:Ethical controlled degrowth is so politically difficult I'd guess it's actually impossible at the scale needed.
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Jun 2, 2023 01:35
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Children could read that graph. I honestly don't think MightyBigMinus is too stupid to read that graph, I think they are blinded by some kind of bias. What? No way, if that were true they'd be flying off the handle like an illiterate dumba- MightyBigMinus posted:243 words to avoid acknowledging that 5 != 100
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Jun 2, 2023 01:38
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i get the urge to really want to hold humanity accountable and not just blame inescapable science for our problems but nobody suggested that is the case and it wouldn't matter anyway People are saying the global problem is in motion in such a way that no mitigations now to the emitting we have already done will change the next 10-20+ years of impacts from those emissions in any meaningful way. If anyone reads into that and sees "Science is the problem not us, kick back and roll coal boys" then that's probably projection.
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Jun 2, 2023 01:51
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it wouldn't be a climate thread without an aggressively stupid and condescending epic EV guy
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Jun 2, 2023 01:59
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starkebn posted:Ethical controlled degrowth is so politically difficult I'd guess it's actually impossible at the scale needed. bedpan posted:this is Malthusianism. this is genocide. this is doomerism.
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Jun 2, 2023 02:03
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Buy your (grandfathered) Phoenix, Arizona dream house NOW: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/01/us/arizona-phoenix-groundwater-limits-development-climate/index.html quote:"State officials said the announcement wouldn’t impact developments that have already been approved. However, developers that are seeking to build new construction will have to demonstrate they can provide an “assured water supply” for 100 years using water from a source that is not local groundwater." quote:"Porter said the change won’t necessarily curtail development in the booming Phoenix metro area, but it could push it towards bigger and older cities like Tempe and Scottsdale. Nor is it expected to curtail water use for industry and manufacturing – an important distinction given Arizona is quickly becoming a hub for advanced manufacturing of technology, including semi-conductor chips." quote:"Besides conserving water and projects recycling water, Arizona elected officials – including Sen. Mark Kelly, a Democrat – have advocated for creating new water supply through desalination, where ocean water is treated to remove the salt." ... quote:"Desalination is used in some water-scarce countries, but it’s been criticized for being expensive and energy-intensive." this is just going to mean increased sprawl and an endless run of water delivery trucks lols and lmaos all around Laterite has issued a correction as of 02:07 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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Jun 2, 2023 02:04
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MightyBigMinus posted:a failure to empathize with the global south that will feel the impact of our sucess or failure in REAL TIME. year by year. every year. the marginal tens of thousands of people that die or dont will be because of the marginal gigatons we emitted over the course of the previous ~3 - 5. how many times itt are you gonna end up telling on your own sense of material comfort and insulation from these effects, while assuming anyone feeling more negativity than your dreams of fleets of EVs saving the world or whatever is also being silly, because they presumably face no suffering like you seem to feel is only coming for some outside population tons of lives will be destroyed everywhere, even in the US, for everyone who isn't far enough out of the reach of poverty and disaster to avoid getting dragged down when already tough conditions get worse
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