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The Bible posted:
Win elections, as decisively as possible, for a long time. The hyper-partisan fuckers currently on the Supreme Court now will eventually be replaced by attrition. Only a couple seats need to flip to make it impossible for them to maintain a five vote majority on any issue of consequence. Moreover, if the GOP is entirely unable to compete in national elections, it will eventually change course out of necessity. It's the nature of a two party system. Adapt to get enough voters to compete, or collapse and be replaced with a different second party, like the Whigs were replaced by the GOP. The GOP will never be anything good or honest but it may rebrand toward the limited government/bootstraps/libertarian model that it sometimes pretends to be (rather than the insane theocratic racist billionaire owned monster it actually is and has been since Nixon). That would be a huge improvement for the country even though bootstraps are bullshit and libertarianism is a complete joke.
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 06:17 |
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Craig K posted:this one's fun because it all began with an undergrad attempting to prove his professor wrong about a grade on a term paper: quote:Watson used $6,000 of his own money to sponsor his nationwide effort
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 09:24 |
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predicto posted:As someone who works in an appellate court, the idea of a court with 19 judges (or 27 or whatever) terrifies me. It's hard enough to discuss and work out complicated legal problems with 7 or 9 justices. Imagine a split decision with a plurality of 13 justices, 7 concurrences in which 16 justices agree in some form, 11 dissents, blah blah blah. And then the lower courts have to implement the things.
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 10:01 |
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Xander77 posted:Sorry if this is a joke I'm not getting, but you understand that (in a real country) a Supreme Court doesn't have to discuss every issue with a every judge in attendance? That's the point of having more judges beyond the political bias issue. But if the judges have even an inkling of how their colleagues would potentially vote on a particular issue, and they can see a case coming up in which they could swing the vote a particular way...what would disincentivize them from weighing in on that case, because they knew they could change the outcome of the vote by doing so? Can you foresee a situation where Justice Coney Barrett (or any of them really) doesn't decide to consider an abortion case, for instance?
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 13:05 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:Hate to break up the multi-page long derail about the Supreme Court but here's some on-topic news regarding Trump and his crimes.mp3. "Trump regretted not declassifying retained military document in recording" On tape, knows it was classified, knows it hadn't been declassified. So today, or are we still waiting for a July 4 perp walk?
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 13:10 |
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how are conservatives dealing with the first day of pride month
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 13:23 |
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AvesPKS posted:But if the judges have even an inkling of how their colleagues would potentially vote on a particular issue, and they can see a case coming up in which they could swing the vote a particular way...what would disincentivize them from weighing in on that case, because they knew they could change the outcome of the vote by doing so? Exactly. Or are we suggesting a setup where Chief Justice Roberts get to choose the panel for each case? Ok Alito, Barrett, and Thomas, you get the abortion case. Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson, you get the case about whether federal courts have diversity jurisdiction over slip and fall cases on tugboats in federally owned canals. Let’s get to work.
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 16:12 |
cr0y posted:Didn't dotard also tweet classified satellite photos of something Iran missile related? yeah it was a site we drone-bombed and then he tweeted a picture that was quite obviously either a) taken from an elevation of 500 feet over Iranian airspace, or b) from a *seriously* powerful surveillance satellite
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 17:10 |
predicto posted:Exactly. Or are we suggesting a setup where Chief Justice Roberts get to choose the panel for each case?
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a.lo posted:how are conservatives dealing with the first day of pride month lots of transphobia so same as most other days
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 17:58 |
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a.lo posted:how are conservatives dealing with the first day of pride month Mostly by screaming about how horrible it is that people don't celebrate Memorial Day with the same level of enthusiasm, because that makes all kinds of sense.
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 20:48 |
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mdemone posted:yeah it was a site we drone-bombed and then he tweeted a picture that was quite obviously either a) taken from an elevation of 500 feet over Iranian airspace, or b) from a *seriously* powerful surveillance satellite The orbits of a lot of classified satellites and similar objects are very well known simply because they can be visually observed from the ground, so this isn't even a particularly complicated problem. Like most astronomy apps let you point your phone camera at a light in the sky and it'll identify what satellite, rocket debris, or whatever it is, and they'll have up-to-date tracking info on the keyhole satellites (they're loving bright). But yeah, that one photo Trump just decided to tweet out contains the majority of the open-source information about the imaging capabilities of the keyholes currently in the sky.
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 21:22 |
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SubG posted:The specific satellite used was identified within hours of Trump tweeting the photo. It was USA-224 a KH-11, one of several kinds of keyhole satellite. Basically the time of day and relative position of the satellite were estimated from the photo itself, and then that was compared to the ground track of known satellites. lol the only other person to have shared a photo from that type of satellite got 2 years in prison.
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# ? Jun 1, 2023 22:58 |
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You can also learn a ton about capabilities and lense design from pictures. It's classified for a reason.
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# ? Jun 2, 2023 02:05 |
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Presumably there's a process for making publicly-viewable pics that involves downgrading and adding noise to the picture until its bowdlerised.
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# ? Jun 2, 2023 07:18 |
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There is a very detailed process for declassification of information that has steps for things exactly like that photo. This process is what Trump is theoretically in trouble for ignoring.
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The Bible posted:So... is there just no hope then? We're just at the mercy of a court in which the justices are at best unqualified and at worst publicly compromised? I know there are processes to remove justices, but that's as likely to happen now as the constitutional amendments being discussed earlier. The constitution says that the justices, "Serve upon good behavior" and for some reason everyone assumes this is some expansive protection that immunizes a justice from consequences that affect their appointment from anything short of a felony because WE JUST CAN'T KNOW WHAT GOOD BEHAVIOR MEANS OH WELL. The way I see it is actually the opposite. It makes a justices behavior a constitutional oversight issue and thus open to regulation and review. Congress must be the body to set what 'good behavior' means and how to interpret it, when it gets reviewed, who reviews it and what criteria to use and how to punish for not obeying it and absolutely not the justices themselves. This is how every other limiting statement gets interpreted so why should this be different? The judiciary is a separate branch of government and oversight is a constitutional requirement.
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bird food bathtub posted:There is a very detailed process for declassification of information that has steps for things exactly like that photo. This process is what Trump is theoretically in trouble for ignoring. SCOTUS has ruled repeatedly, even multiple times against Trump himself, that the president does actually have the authority to change policy by fiat. That there is a process to change EOs and it must be followed and if you don't follow it then the previous EO stays in effect. He can not just change policy and so he can not just declassify stuff with his mind or ignore NARA requirements on document handling.
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Murgos posted:The constitution says that the justices, "Serve upon good behavior" and for some reason everyone assumes this is some expansive protection that immunizes a justice from consequences that affect their appointment from anything short of a felony because WE JUST CAN'T KNOW WHAT GOOD BEHAVIOR MEANS OH WELL. This already exists, Congress can impeach and remove any article 3 judge including a supreme court justice. Good luck getting the 67 senators needed to remove one though.
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Murgos posted:The constitution says that the justices, "Serve upon good behavior" and for some reason everyone assumes this is some expansive protection that immunizes a justice from consequences that affect their appointment from anything short of a felony because WE JUST CAN'T KNOW WHAT GOOD BEHAVIOR MEANS OH WELL. Congress is the body that sets and interprets good behavior for the judges, and does have the power to punish justices for disobeying it. Congress does have all these oversight powers you're describing. This is why I keep hammering on the point that the actual problem here is that Congress is barely functional. They have the power to bring the judges in line, but there's no chance of them exercising it when they can barely even manage the basic essential tasks needed to keep the country running.
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So interesting article from the Post about how the Fulton County DA is expanding her probe on Trump's election chicanery to other states via RICO laws.quote:Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis (D) launched an investigation more than two years ago to examine efforts by Trump and his allies to overturn his narrow 2020 defeat in Georgia. Along the way, she has signaled publicly that she may use Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) statute to allege that these efforts amounted to a far-reaching criminal scheme. quote:Among Willis’s latest areas of scrutiny is the Trump campaign’s expenditure of more than $1 million on two firms to study whether electoral fraud occurred in the 2020 election, the two individuals said. The Post first reported earlier this year that the work was carried out in the final weeks of 2020, and the campaign never released the findings because the firms, Simpatico Software Systems and Berkeley Research Group, disputed many of Trump’s theories and could not offer any proof that he was the rightful winner of the election. Anyway I'm not going to quote the whole thing its long but an easy enough read.
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Main Paineframe posted:Congress is the body that sets and interprets good behavior for the judges, and does have the power to punish justices for disobeying it. Congress does have all these oversight powers you're describing. Hard to punish a judge for misconduct when they keep getting stuck on "should the economy crash? y/n"
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Raldikuk posted:This already exists, Congress can impeach and remove any article 3 judge including a supreme court justice. Good luck getting the 67 senators needed to remove one though. Eh, there's a hugeous distance between oversight and corrective action and impeachment. I'm saying that the constitution does not prohibit actions short of impeachment, it's the opposite if anything. Congress has the power to impeach judges, but that's not the complete set of controls.
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CNN is now saying that the Trump lawyers did not find that classified Iran document. Whether that's because somebody else has it, or whether it's simply gone, remains to be seen.
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mdemone posted:CNN is now saying that the Trump lawyers did not find that classified Iran document. Whether that's because somebody else has it, or whether it's simply gone, remains to be seen. He probably sold it. But there’s also a decent chance he was making poo poo up.
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# ? Jun 2, 2023 18:46 |
gregday posted:He probably sold it. I'm going to guess that his description of it was enough to verify that it was among the known missing documents that got subpoenaed/searched. Maybe. Possibly.
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mdemone posted:CNN is now saying that the Trump lawyers did not find that classified Iran document. Whether that's because somebody else has it, or whether it's simply gone, remains to be seen. Was he actually trying to dispose of documents down the toilet or was that a joke?
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Randalor posted:Was he actually trying to dispose of documents down the toilet or was that a joke? He used to eat them so I wouldn't put it past him.
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gregday posted:He probably sold it. Give it a week and he'll get someone to forge the document just so he can say he wasn't lying.
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Randalor posted:Was he actually trying to dispose of documents down the toilet or was that a joke? There were reports while he was president that people would occasionally have to go pull wads of paper out of the toilet to piece back together an official document. I hope 20 years from now there is a “Trump bad” area in the Smithsonian museum where they put his half chewed/flushed documents on display next to like a 50 foot high wall inscribed with the 30,000 some odd documented lies he told while president and just go all in on what a poo poo show he is. Like just pop the balloon on his mythology and stop it from becoming another lost cause trope by utterly humiliating him.
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Murgos posted:I hope 20 years from now there is a “Trump bad” area in the Smithsonian museum where they put his half chewed/flushed documents on display next to like a 50 foot high wall inscribed with the 30,000 some odd documented lies he told while president and just go all in on what a poo poo show he is. Like just pop the balloon on his mythology and stop it from becoming another lost cause trope by utterly humiliating him. A group of chuds stand before the display of shame. "There lies a monument to the greatest, strongest, most handsome president who ever lived, and who dared to tell the truth. He's so great they erected this monument to every truth he ever told that the loving *slur*-LOVING LIBERALS tried to twist into lies." The other chuds nod sagely and mutter about those loving *slur*-loving liberals. They leave to go to the seniors supper and complain about how their *slur*-loving grandkids want nothing to do to them and they can't figure out why.
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# ? Jun 3, 2023 01:57 |
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Murgos posted:There were reports while he was president that people would occasionally have to go pull wads of paper out of the toilet to piece back together an official document. There’s an opening to the south labelled SECTION OF WALL PAID FOR BY MEXICO
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# ? Jun 3, 2023 02:35 |
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And when you walk in, you walk down a long corridor that has dozens of printed-out, framed tweets on the wall. The actual “library” section is hundreds of binders of printed-out tweets.
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# ? Jun 3, 2023 02:38 |
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So rambling discussion dead gay forum etcetera... What is the point in leaking increasingly egregious findings versus bringing them out in the trial? Those already opining guilt will nod their heads and say, "Why not in jail?", leading to escalated anger on that side. Those opining infinite immunity will say, "Just more witch hunt, if they had something they'd charge him, politics!", leading to more anger there as well. For anyone in the center, if they don't care already, they won't until all the findings are revealed at the trial. For the fifteen jurors+alternates, this is just more data to weed out as bias during voir dire, then establish during the trial. I'm no lawyer, and none will ever permit me to sit on any jury, but I'd think it would be much more powerful for a prosecutor to go in with a jury thinking "this was some dumb driver who accidentally hit the car in front of them at 5mph" and then find out "holy crap they repeatedly chose 7532 other white cars to ram at 60mph for half an hour over a 20mi range, and they repeated that every other day for six months while mommy said no". What's worse, this hasn't even reached eleven appeals of the verdict, ten rescheduled trials, nine weeks of extradition, eight months of superfluous countersuits, seven and sixty weeks discovery (requested by the whiny defense), five and fifty-count indictments, four weeks to replace a lazy AG, three announcements that indictments are ready, bribing two officials, and an end to endless investigations.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:
Trump, via his attorneys, is leaking these things to “get ahead” of them and so it’s old news and loses the shock value it would have had if it had come out all at once. That some people are disheartened by the constant leaks and “nothing being done about it” while he walks around like cock robin is also part of the whole strong man image he’s trying to fulfill. “These lib ducks can’t get me” is the message he’s selling.
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Murgos posted:These lib ducks
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Randalor posted:Was he actually trying to dispose of documents down the toilet or was that a joke?
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Exactly where those names belong
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Failed Imagineer posted:Exactly where those names belong What do you have against Quillpick and Where?
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Failed Imagineer posted:Exactly where those names belong Steve Rogers and Gwen Steffani?
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