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Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1664568939555291138?t=PcCH-8XBPAEZjNjtAg8ptQ&s=19

# ? Jun 2, 2023 11:29

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# ? May 30, 2024 09:56

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Its stock price is going to be entirely dependent on the post above, not the quality of their content or possibly even really their subscriber count, tech is seeing a huge pump right now.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 12:00

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

there must be no where else for the money to go

# ? Jun 2, 2023 13:26

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

euphronius posted:

there must be no where else for the money to go

The overseas people said "thanks but do you have anything else other than USD to invest in our thing?".

(IDK I'm just kidding)

# ? Jun 2, 2023 13:42

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

euphronius posted:

there must be no where else for the money to go

That or simply they are being artificially pumped because otherwise people would go back into cash or bonds. The rest out of the market outside of those specific stocks really hasn't recovered.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 13:44

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

economy still not shedding jobs, against the fed's wishes

https://twitter.com/kgreifeld/status/1664610654836195328

# ? Jun 2, 2023 13:48

Marx Headroom: May 10, 2007; AT LAST! A show with nonono ~~commercials~~!; Fallen Rib

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

One of the big selling points of his stupid loving "metaverse" is being able to meet in cyberspace rather than in person, but I guess a sociopath like Zuck gets off on the power trip of forcing his ~~slaves~~ valued employees to come back to the office so he can lord it over them.

Yeah, you meet in cyberspace, but in a cyberspace office. That way you can be in the office from anywhere at all times.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 13:56

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1664617591162171392?s=20

https://twitter.com/byHeatherLong/status/1664617516990119938?s=20

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:07

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1664611783351361536?s=20

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:07

Taima: Dec 31, 2006; tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

Have you guys been seeing this stuff about a startup offering a free television that shows ads in your house 24/7?

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/telly-free-smart-tv-250000-sign-ups/

I'm sure it's come up in this thread, but the more I think about it the more uneasy it makes me. This become a lot more common in the way that "0% interest micro loans so you can buy a loving toaster" became common as the bottom fell out of the bottom 75%.

Something truly fascinating about this model is that the people who want the free TV the most are also the people who are the least valuable to serve ads to. I'll bet some people will be denied these televisions on that basis, but there are X factors that can increase the desirability of even a very poor user. For example, one of these televisions placed in a city dwelling is more valuable than one that is placed in the suburbs, which is more valuable than a television placed rurally.

Foot traffic and population in cities means that secondary viewing (like when you have friends and/or family over) becomes more of a thing. Humans usually have friend networks composed of individuals close to their financial standing, but outliers exist, and if you're having some friends over for tea, that television is going to be serving ads, even while off, the entire time.

In a sense I think this is the beginning stages of what I would almost call consumer socialism; as the bottom 75% fails to accumulate enough resources to survive, selling themselves becomes the solution to a lot of problems. A classic example of this would be something like donating plasma, but that's just the archaic first murmurs of a larger system that will likely develop. Companies will pay for every aspect of a human's body and time, and people will likely have no real ability to say no as conditions decline further.

Another super interesting facet is that humans will become paid billboards (think screens woven into backpacks, shirts, etc) in return for a stipend, bonuses based on revenue sharing, and free clothing.

This is nearly inevitable because advertising is going away for well off people and somehow no one is talking about this outside of marketing circles. The top 20% will be able to opt out of ads in their personal devices and lives; a lot of that has already happened. But think of the staggering implications here! The less that the upper middle class and above consumes advertisement, the more valuable that reach becomes.

And that's the true value of people becoming billboards and having other public ad displays- not so they see ads, who gives a poo poo about that, it's about having these people butt straight into the lives of the people who are able to pay their way out of advertising. You will see systems where a user puts on clothing tied to promotional codes, with a battery backpack, and walks around the city while tracked by the app. They are paid for the promo codes that are used but also they get paid based on how many people see the ads and the background socioeconomics of the area the person exists in. It will all be extrapolated algorithmically to determine payouts.

Another aspect is that people will likely not own assets of note; they will borrow these mechanisms from the companies offering them, and have to give them back should they not maintain revenue positive activity, such as loaned small automobiles and e-bikes covered in ads. As the great reset famously predicted, these people will own nothing. Of course the latter part about them being happy is bullshit though.

To get this off the ground you will see major incentives backed by VC money like this "free" television, where people will actually make a living walking around cities. Just like all app hustles though, once the idea is normalized, all of the involved companies will cut payments to the bone.

So for example right now you can get a free tv. Maybe next year you can get a "really cheap" tv. And it goes downwards like that.

The sucking of all physical assets northward is going to have so many weird implications.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:17

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Taima posted:

Have you guys been seeing this stuff about a startup offering a free television that shows ads in your house 24/7?

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/telly-free-smart-tv-250000-sign-ups/

I'm sure it's come up in this thread, but the more I think about it the more uneasy it makes me. This become a lot more common in the way that "0% interest micro loans so you can buy a loving toaster" became common as the bottom fell out of the bottom 75%.

Something truly fascinating about this model is that the people who want the free TV the most are also the people who are the least valuable to serve ads to. I'll bet some people will be denied these televisions on that basis, but there are X factors that can increase the desirability of even a very poor user. For example, one of these televisions placed in a city dwelling is more valuable than one that is placed in the suburbs, which is more valuable than a television placed rurally.

Foot traffic and population in cities means that secondary viewing (like when you have friends and/or family over) becomes more of a thing. Humans usually have friend networks composed of individuals close to their financial standing, but outliers exist, and if you're having some friends over for tea, that television is going to be serving ads, even while off, the entire time.

In a sense I think this is the beginning stages of what I would almost call consumer socialism; as the bottom 75% fails to accumulate enough resources to survive, selling themselves becomes the solution to a lot of problems. A classic example of this would be something like donating plasma, but that's just the archaic first murmurs of a larger system that will likely develop. Companies will pay for every aspect of a human's body and time, and people will likely have no real ability to say no as conditions decline further.

Another super interesting facet is that humans will become paid billboards (think screens woven into backpacks, shirts, etc) in return for a stipend, bonuses based on revenue sharing, and free clothing.

This is nearly inevitable because advertising is going away for well off people and somehow no one is talking about this outside of marketing circles. The top 20% will be able to opt out of ads in their personal devices and lives; a lot of that has already happened. But think of the staggering implications here! The less that the upper middle class and above consumes advertisement, the more valuable that reach becomes.

And that's the true value of people becoming billboards and having other public ad displays- not so they see ads, who gives a poo poo about that, it's about having these people butt straight into the lives of the people who are able to pay their way out of advertising. You will see systems where a user puts on clothing tied to promotional codes, with a battery backpack, and walks around the city while tracked by the app. They are paid for the promo codes that are used but also they get paid based on how many people see the ads and the background socioeconomics of the area the person exists in. It will all be extrapolated algorithmically to determine payouts.

Another aspect is that people will likely not own assets of note; they will borrow these mechanisms from the companies offering them, and have to give them back should they not maintain revenue positive activity, such as loaned small automobiles and e-bikes covered in ads. As the great reset famously predicted, these people will own nothing. Of course the latter part about them being happy is bullshit though.

To get this off the ground you will see major incentives backed by VC money like this "free" television, where people will actually make a living walking around cities. Just like all app hustles though, once the idea is normalized, all of the involved companies will cut payments to the bone.

So for example right now you can get a free tv. Maybe next year you can get a "really cheap" tv. And it goes downwards like that.

The sucking of all physical assets northward is going to have so many weird implications.

The 2 way telescreen will be mandatory by INGSOC and turning it off will be impossible / illegal.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:20

anonumos: Jul 14, 2005; Fuck it.

Ardennes posted:

In addition, many people under 18 are effectively in poverty (probably a higher percentage) regardless because they are relying on their parents income. The poverty line is simply set to not catch most poverty.

In how many urban areas in country is making $37-40k a enough to live on, especially if you don't qualify for most social programs at a certain point and now making enough to be taxed? Hell, I am sure there are plenty of rural areas where it isn't enough either.

Gotta remember how many people don't even make that much, to the point that most people think it's a good living! People out there living on less than 17k and looking side eyed at the bougie ones with $200 extra spending money each check.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:21

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

wasn't there a company that was paying people to become walking wifi hotspots

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:22

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

that was during SXSW yeras ago, never heard much about it after

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:27

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

DancingShade posted:

The 2 way telescreen will be mandatory by INGSOC and turning it off will be impossible / illegal.

plenty of corps already know more about your average person than their government, spouse, doctor, and employer combined. this tv thing is like nothing compared to what we collectively already willingly give up

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:39

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

Nice and hot piss posted:

....Samsonite joe!! I was way off!!!

lol

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:39

Taima: Dec 31, 2006; tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

I think a really big industry of the future is going to revolve around humans with no or very little economic value basically forcefully injecting ads into the mindspace of the "no ad class" via piloting public advertisements into their field of vision and auditory range. Since presumably only a small fraction of society will even have discretionary income, getting advertising into their brain will become extremely valuable.

You can already roughly determine the economic value of a consumer by how many ad-laced services they use. Though that's only REALLY true for milennials and younger. Gen X and older are kind of a crapshoot because the technical accumen in those generations is just low in general. This is especially true of boomers who are not even used to the concept of paying more for fewer ads and probably wouldn't be interested in paying more for that benefit even if they did. Their brains are frozen in time from a world where they would literally watch 30 minutes of television of which 7-8 minutes were ads. Which is loving unreal to think about. And you PAID for the privilege of that structure with cable television!!!

Imo it's only a matter of time until companies will know the economic reach of an individual/family and literally pay them. So for example if you're in the top 10% they'll pay you $500 a year to take and use a TV that is also free. That's how important and valuable ad reach becomes when the people with discretionary income also pay for no-ad everything.

Taima has issued a correction as of 14:56 on Jun 2, 2023

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:44

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Cold on a Cob posted:

plenty of corps already know more about your average person than their government, spouse, doctor, and employer combined. this tv thing is like nothing compared to what we collectively already willingly give up

Accurate. But corps don't have the bored maliciousness of a disenfranchised and frustrated government employee who isn't working to clear metrics and who has near absolute job security.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:46

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

economy still not shedding jobs, against the fed's wishes

https://twitter.com/kgreifeld/status/1664610654836195328

2 of these numbers contradict each other. Unless the UE number is the laid off tech workers finally hitting the rolls.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:54

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

fond memories of using an ad supported free isp in like 2002. it's back baby

# ? Jun 2, 2023 14:58

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

adtech's imploded since free money ended
looking forward to reading about the TVs being jailbroken

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:01

Taima: Dec 31, 2006; tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know

RealityWarCriminal posted:

fond memories of using an ad supported free isp in like 2002. it's back baby

100% but it's a complete inversion.

Internet was free in 2002 because inequality was less entrenched and, crucially, the people using the computers were relatively well-off. If you could capture some eyeballs serving Netzero ads, you could be reasonably sure that such a user had some level of discretionary income.

Now it's coming back for the completely opposite reason, which is that a huge portion of society is becoming near-worthless from a capitalistic perspective- all of their money is being drained by monopolies and incredibly unfair leverage of things they are required to own and use like housing.

That leaves a very narrow path for discretionary consumer good and services and has so many implications beyond this discussion. But a very real implication here is that the bottom levels of society only have function for discretionary products in the sense that they can be advertising boards for people who do have money.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:05

Twerk from Home: Jan 17, 2009; This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

Advertising is hardly going away for everyone unless there's some anti-billboard tech that I'm not aware of, everytime I leave my house I get to see this months new ads for weed and beer on giant billboards.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:13

Canned Sunshine: Nov 20, 2005; CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION

RealityWarCriminal posted:

fond memories of using an ad supported free isp in like 2002. it's back baby

I had a second phone line for my free ISP use back in the day. Gotta keep Napster going 24/7 so I could have 10 songs by the morning!

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:14

HAIL eSATA-n: Apr 7, 2007

shrike82 posted:

adtech's imploded since free money ended
looking forward to reading about the TVs being jailbroken

using netzero but disabling the banner ad :smugdog:

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:14

F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Taima posted:

Have you guys been seeing this stuff about a startup offering a free television that shows ads in your house 24/7?

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/telly-free-smart-tv-250000-sign-ups/

I'm sure it's come up in this thread, but the more I think about it the more uneasy it makes me. This become a lot more common in the way that "0% interest micro loans so you can buy a loving toaster" became common as the bottom fell out of the bottom 75%.

Something truly fascinating about this model is that the people who want the free TV the most are also the people who are the least valuable to serve ads to. I'll bet some people will be denied these televisions on that basis, but there are X factors that can increase the desirability of even a very poor user. For example, one of these televisions placed in a city dwelling is more valuable than one that is placed in the suburbs, which is more valuable than a television placed rurally.

Foot traffic and population in cities means that secondary viewing (like when you have friends and/or family over) becomes more of a thing. Humans usually have friend networks composed of individuals close to their financial standing, but outliers exist, and if you're having some friends over for tea, that television is going to be serving ads, even while off, the entire time.

In a sense I think this is the beginning stages of what I would almost call consumer socialism; as the bottom 75% fails to accumulate enough resources to survive, selling themselves becomes the solution to a lot of problems. A classic example of this would be something like donating plasma, but that's just the archaic first murmurs of a larger system that will likely develop. Companies will pay for every aspect of a human's body and time, and people will likely have no real ability to say no as conditions decline further.

Another super interesting facet is that humans will become paid billboards (think screens woven into backpacks, shirts, etc) in return for a stipend, bonuses based on revenue sharing, and free clothing.

This is nearly inevitable because advertising is going away for well off people and somehow no one is talking about this outside of marketing circles. The top 20% will be able to opt out of ads in their personal devices and lives; a lot of that has already happened. But think of the staggering implications here! The less that the upper middle class and above consumes advertisement, the more valuable that reach becomes.

And that's the true value of people becoming billboards and having other public ad displays- not so they see ads, who gives a poo poo about that, it's about having these people butt straight into the lives of the people who are able to pay their way out of advertising. You will see systems where a user puts on clothing tied to promotional codes, with a battery backpack, and walks around the city while tracked by the app. They are paid for the promo codes that are used but also they get paid based on how many people see the ads and the background socioeconomics of the area the person exists in. It will all be extrapolated algorithmically to determine payouts.

Another aspect is that people will likely not own assets of note; they will borrow these mechanisms from the companies offering them, and have to give them back should they not maintain revenue positive activity, such as loaned small automobiles and e-bikes covered in ads. As the great reset famously predicted, these people will own nothing. Of course the latter part about them being happy is bullshit though.

To get this off the ground you will see major incentives backed by VC money like this "free" television, where people will actually make a living walking around cities. Just like all app hustles though, once the idea is normalized, all of the involved companies will cut payments to the bone.

So for example right now you can get a free tv. Maybe next year you can get a "really cheap" tv. And it goes downwards like that.

The sucking of all physical assets northward is going to have so many weird implications.

Louis Rossmann talked about it on Youtube. The sick thing is not the fact that it forces ads on you but that there are people willingly signing up for it knowing full well that the TV is spying on them.

Capital doesn't even need propaganda anymore; so many people have internalized the narratives that they sign up to be exploited.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:15

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1664592948510466049?s=20

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:16

Azathoth: Apr 3, 2001

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Louis Rossmann talked about it on Youtube. The sick thing is not the fact that it forces ads on you but that there are people willingly signing up for it knowing full well that the TV is spying on them.

Capital doesn't even need propaganda anymore; so many people have internalized the narratives that they sign up to be exploited.

There's an underexplored aspect to all of this about how people have become inured to a certain level of non-intrusive corporate surveillance, like when someone looks online for a product and then every ad they see for the next week is for something like that product. It's extremely hosed up but folks just accept it nowadays.

I have a certain level of knowhow and, more importantly, free time to minimize how much it happens to me but most folks don't, so it's just become a normal thing that we're all being spied on 24/7 by corporations. I can definitely see people looking at those TVs and saying "well Facebook and Google already know everything about me anyway, what's one more?"

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:22

Wrex Ruckus: Aug 24, 2015

shrike82 posted:

https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1664592948510466049?s=20

oi that's buggered!

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:23

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

fits my needs posted:

https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1664617591162171392?s=20

lmfao at the human uncanny valley

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:25

Twerk from Home: Jan 17, 2009; This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Louis Rossmann talked about it on Youtube. The sick thing is not the fact that it forces ads on you but that there are people willingly signing up for it knowing full well that the TV is spying on them.

Capital doesn't even need propaganda anymore; so many people have internalized the narratives that they sign up to be exploited.

People feel like any smart TV feature will spy on them anyway. Why should I pay $400 for a Samsung that's covered in lovely, intrusive ads and spies on everything I'm watching and doing when I can get a free* TV covered in lovely intrusive ads?

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:27

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

at some point it's the mgs2 situation where these companies have been surveiling for years and have accumulated gobs of data on us but it's all worthless

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:31

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

shrike82 posted:

https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1664592948510466049?s=20

Someone do that domino meme but it starts with "Europeans learn about coffee from trade with Asia, coffee houses founded in London", and continues to "productive economy of UK smaller than speculative value of phone company".

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:33

jemand: Sep 19, 2018

Twerk from Home posted:

Advertising is hardly going away for everyone unless there's some anti-billboard tech that I'm not aware of, everytime I leave my house I get to see this months new ads for weed and beer on giant billboards.

Its called WFH.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:35

F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Yeah, I've heard the "Well, they have all my data anyway; who cares?" argument several times before on other websites. The thought that maybe, just maybe, companies shouldn't surveil us 24/7/365 never crosses these people's minds. To be fair to them, though, we all long ago traded privacy to corporations for convenience.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:37

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Ardennes posted:

One thing I was thinking about was the poverty line, and how absolutely meaningless it is in 2023. A family of 3 is $24,860, how is that even remotely close to being livable in any urban area of the country? I wonder how much the US is effectively in dire poverty, but the statistics are simply meaningless at this point because they aren't attached to anything. It goes for all the means-testing they are attached to as well.

It sure is a thing to see the president use "middle class" in the context of not raising taxes for anyone making up to $400,000 and then see the FPL designate that family of 3 as middle class & not quite poor enough at $24,860.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:38

err: Apr 11, 2005; I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...

https://twitter.com/bespokeinvest/status/1664611752120598529

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:42

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

No idea how much my spy defenses work, but at least I still manage to block basically all ads. Guess google reads all my mail, but it's pretty annoying to find a good alternative

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:42

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

genericnick posted:

No idea how much my spy defenses work, but at least I still manage to block basically all ads. Guess google reads all my mail, but it's pretty annoying to find a good alternative

Get a Raspberry Pi, throw Pihole on it, and throw it in a closet.

that's a lot of blocked spy poo poo

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:44

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Koirhor: Jan 14, 2008; by Fluffdaddy

Switching to Utz permanently, Lay�s can gently caress right off with $8 for a large bag of chips

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