Classic Star Trek Megathread: Waves and waves of jambalaya

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BioEnchanted: Aug 9, 2011; He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

I liked the episode where Qwark goes into business with Gayla and gets wracked with guilt in the process. I particularly liked Sisko's line "I may not be able to get you on arms dealing, but if you so much as litter on the promenade, I'll nail you to the wall."

# ? Jun 1, 2023 18:54

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# ? May 24, 2024 09:04

Trixie Hardcore: Jul 1, 2006; Placeholder.

zoux posted:

I didn't get the sense it was spiritual, Calvin was the voice of the Maquis in their first major appearance and he appeared to be doing it out of sheer cussedness and gently caress the Cardassians

I meant Journey's End, afaik it's the first colony that leaves the Federation.

quote:

PICARD: Anthwara, there's very little I can do. The decision about this planet was made at the very highest level of Starfleet.
WAKASA: (a young man) Do you know how long we have searched for a home? Almost two hundred years. Then we found this world. Can you blame us for not wanting to give it up?
PICARD: I understand and I respect your people's long journey, but I believe that I can help you to find a new home.
TROI: As you can see, there are three other planets in this sector that have environmental conditions similar to those here on Dorvan Five. They're all uninhabited and could be colonised immediately.
PICARD: And if none of these worlds meet with your approval, then we'll find you other choices.
ANTHWARA: (a lovely mane of white hair) You do not understand, Captain. The choice of this world was not only because of environmental conditions. There were other more intangible concerns as well. When I came here twenty years ago, I was welcomed by the mountains, the rivers, the sky.
WAKASA: Anthwara, he's laughing at you. He thinks you're talking about old superstition and nonsense.
PICARD: This is not true. I have the deepest deal of respect for your beliefs and the meaning that they hold for your people.
ANTHWARA: Then you can respect the fact that this planet holds a deep spiritual significance for us. It has taken us two centuries to find this place. We do not want to spend another two hundred years searching for what we already have.

In DS9 it seems the main complaint ex-Federation colonists have is that living under Cardassian rule is not going well for them and that they somehow didn't anticipate this or thought they would be exempt for some reason.

quote:

HUDSON: These settlers, Ben, if you saw all they have accomplished without any help from the Federation, then you'd fight along with them.
SISKO: I don't think so.
HUDSON: They've travelled out here to the back of the beyond and built homes out of the wilderness. Now maybe the Federation can turn their back on them, but I can't.

quote:

EDDINGTON: Those people, They were colonists on Salva Two. They had farms, and shops, and homes, and schools, and then one day the Federation signed a treaty and handed their world over to the Cardassians. Just like that. They made these people refugees overnight.
SISKO: It's not that simple and you know it. These people don't have to live here like this. We've offered them resettlement.
EDDINGTON: They don't want to be resettled. They want to go home to the lives they built. How would you feel if the Federation gave your father's home to the Cardassians?
SISKO: I'm not here to debate Federation policy with
EDDINGTON: I didn't tell you to turn around. Look at them, Captain. They're humans, just like you and me, and Starfleet took everything away from them. Remember that the next time you put on that uniform. There's a war out there and you're on the wrong side.
SISKO: You know what I see out there, Mister Eddington? I see victims, but not of Cardassia or the Federation. Victims of you, the Maquis. You sold these people on the dream that one day they could go back to those farms, and schools, and homes, but you know they never can. And the longer you keep that hope alive, the longer these people will suffer. Go ahead, shoot me.

Like on a couple occasions people in the Maquis are like "the Federation was na�ve to think the Cardassians wouldn't try to gently caress with the colonists" but the colonists have been living on the Cardassian border while a war has been going on around them for 20 years so you would think that they would know better than "the Federation" that it's a bad idea to live under Cardassian rule but it seems like they thought they could just keep farming and not have to worry about their food replicators being poisoned and getting tortured and killed by Cardassians which makes them come across as a bunch of dumbfucks.

# ? Jun 1, 2023 19:22

nine-gear crow: Aug 10, 2013

HD DAD posted:

Voyager Minus Chakotay: the episodes are the same but Beltran and his lines are just missing

Brawnfire posted:

Me, partway through a season 6 episode: ...wait, is something different?

Human Error is just Seven exploring the joys of autoeroticism.

# ? Jun 1, 2023 20:12

Winifred Madgers: Feb 12, 2002

seeing a lot of "they were asking for it" re: the maquis

# ? Jun 1, 2023 20:20

ruddiger: Jun 3, 2004

Did that one orphan changeling that Odo ran into flying around in outer space ever get to rejoin the great link? Was there any follow up on that guy in any other trek media?

# ? Jun 1, 2023 20:39

Mooseontheloose: May 13, 2003

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Computer, make an outfit capable of disgusting Jake Sisko

* processing sounds until infinity *

# ? Jun 1, 2023 20:41

Nullsmack: Dec 7, 2001; Digital apocalypse

I read 8 pages just to say

I like how the old thread ran for 7 years and then ended.

# ? Jun 1, 2023 21:09

Meatgrinder: Jul 11, 2003; Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est

Nullsmack posted:

I read 8 pages just to say

I like how the old thread ran for 7 years and then ended.

All good things...

# ? Jun 1, 2023 21:21

Trixie Hardcore: Jul 1, 2006; Placeholder.

Nullsmack posted:

I read 8 pages just to say

I like how the old thread ran for 7 years and then ended.

If you loved the old thread you'll love the new thread. We're bringing back all your favorite posts and we're not paying any of the writers!

# ? Jun 1, 2023 21:25

Mike the TV: Jan 14, 2008; Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine; Pillbug

Trixie Hardcore posted:

If you loved the old thread you'll love the new thread. We're bringing back all your favorite posts and we're not paying any of the writers!

Wait, you were all getting paid?

# ? Jun 1, 2023 21:31

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

Mike the TV posted:

Wait, you were all getting paid?

I got paid in something called �exposure.� I think it�s the antimatter equivalent to gold-pressed latinum.

# ? Jun 1, 2023 21:38

skasion: Feb 13, 2012; Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Mike the TV posted:

Wait, you were all getting paid?

The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our posting

# ? Jun 1, 2023 21:38

BioEnchanted: Aug 9, 2011; He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Awww, Nog calling Lita "Moogie" :3:

# ? Jun 1, 2023 21:40

nine-gear crow: Aug 10, 2013

Trixie Hardcore posted:

If you loved the old thread you'll love the new thread. We're bringing back all your favorite posts and we're not paying any of the writers!

It's the Modern version of the Classic Trek thread. The first 30 pages suck horrible gonads and then we finally figure out how to post good around year 2 or 3 of it being around so see you all in 2025!

# ? Jun 1, 2023 22:01

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

My posting will never improve. I promise

# ? Jun 1, 2023 22:11

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Nessus posted:

My posting will never improve. I promise

We call this PicardPosting

# ? Jun 1, 2023 22:36

DesperateDan: Dec 10, 2005; Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Nessus posted:

My posting will never improve. I promise

shitposters blood oath

# ? Jun 1, 2023 22:59

Fighting Trousers: May 17, 2011; Does this excite you, girl?

Nessus posted:

My posting will never improve. I promise

But do you swear upon the honor of your house?

# ? Jun 1, 2023 23:12

Kesper North: Nov 3, 2011; EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Der Kyhe posted:

Someone in the process was, don't remember the details anymore. That's why there is so much pink and purple in places that should be light or dark brown or gray.

That was Hal Sutherland, the animation director. However, his article on Memory Alpha blames the colorist, who wasn't colorblind, just liked those colors:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hal_Sutherland

# ? Jun 1, 2023 23:20

Cross-Section: Mar 18, 2009

Part 2 of TNG ship porn: the prelude is out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPLbgHfw44

That Star Trek: Borg inclusion :allears:

# ? Jun 2, 2023 00:01

BioEnchanted: Aug 9, 2011; He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Alexander is much more likeable in TNG than DS9. His whole "Destined to become a politician and unite the houses" was way more interesting than the mess that he starts out as in DS9.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 08:42

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

e:del

# ? Jun 2, 2023 09:00

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

I just smoked a big bowl in my bong or maybe three, but I keep thinking about "Move Along Home" and it's really gotten under my skin.

I don't hate the episode, and there's actually quite a bit about it I like. Quark's performance is exceptional. I think it's a great character moment for him and shows that his greed does have a limit and there is a genuine conscience within him. They're obviously going to build on this throughout the series. Odo as always knocks it out of the park, and his relationship with Quark is peaking with this episode. I even like the concept. We can assume that in an early season 1 episode even at the time of airing that the stakes were going to be low, but it's still a fun adventure that could have presented some really thrilling set pieces.

The issue is that it fails to deliver on that promise. The game itself is so abstracted that you can't really tell if the player is making substantial decisions or just a bystander. It also seems weird that this could at all be interesting within their own society. They'd know how to get through each challenge and they wouldn't be afraid of taking risks. It only works in first contact scenarios where the opposing player doesn't know what the actual threat is.

Worst of all, the scenarios themselves are deeply lame. When you say, "Only children start on [level] 1," you better throw something at me that's genuinely a threat right away. loving hopscotch? I get the show had budget constraints, but there must be any number of high concept scenarios they could have come up with and done on a limited set and effects budget.

Also, when they took the sticks out, I thought for sure they'd be an integral part of playing the game, for like making barriers, attacking enemies, or moving pieces chopstick style. Quark would have realized his folly of being obsessed with hard currency and not taking a keener interest in important cultural items. He'd then have to start making side bets with the other aliens to win some of the sticks at a crucial moment to save them from a challenge. He'd still be caught out without a stick on his last roll and he'd still have to beg for mercy, but it would have given him more to do than waffle between playing and ending the game.

Anyway, it would have been interesting to see if they kept DS9 as an episode of the week kind of a show where each episode was a different first contact scenario. I'm not sure how long that could have sustained itself though.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:22

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

It's funny to realise in retrospect that we didn't see the Gamma Quadrant for two whole seasons towards the end of DS9: last time we see it before the finale is 5x22.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 15:56

Sir Lemming: Jan 27, 2009; It's a piece of JUNK!

Atlas Hugged posted:

I just smoked a big bowl in my bong or maybe three, but I keep thinking about "Move Along Home" and it's really gotten under my skin.

Currently Trek fandom is in the "backlash to the backlash" phase where people say this episode is good, actually, but personally I still find it to be pretty boring. Quotable, but boring. The stakes are too low for it to be dramatic, and the game is too meaningless to be fun, and they don't fully explore the idea of learning why the aliens care so much about this in their culture. I guess the best thing I'd say about it is maybe it was a first step towards the series' eventual theme of how to really work through cultural clashes instead of just assuming the Starfleet way is always the best way.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:31

Atlas Hugged: Mar 12, 2007; Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

The Starfleet security officer being a complete doofus and getting owned by Odo in the episode lends credence to that idea.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:33

Soul Dentist: Mar 17, 2009

Atlas Hugged posted:

Odo as always knocks it out of the park, and his relationship with Quark is peaking with this episode.

Good news! This is figuratively AND literally wrong

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:42

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Atlas Hugged posted:

I just smoked a big bowl in my bong or maybe three, but I keep thinking about "Move Along Home" and it's really gotten under my skin.

I don't hate the episode, and there's actually quite a bit about it I like. Quark's performance is exceptional. I think it's a great character moment for him and shows that his greed does have a limit and there is a genuine conscience within him. They're obviously going to build on this throughout the series. Odo as always knocks it out of the park, and his relationship with Quark is peaking with this episode. I even like the concept. We can assume that in an early season 1 episode even at the time of airing that the stakes were going to be low, but it's still a fun adventure that could have presented some really thrilling set pieces.

The issue is that it fails to deliver on that promise. The game itself is so abstracted that you can't really tell if the player is making substantial decisions or just a bystander. It also seems weird that this could at all be interesting within their own society. They'd know how to get through each challenge and they wouldn't be afraid of taking risks. It only works in first contact scenarios where the opposing player doesn't know what the actual threat is.

Worst of all, the scenarios themselves are deeply lame. When you say, "Only children start on [level] 1," you better throw something at me that's genuinely a threat right away. loving hopscotch? I get the show had budget constraints, but there must be any number of high concept scenarios they could have come up with and done on a limited set and effects budget.

Also, when they took the sticks out, I thought for sure they'd be an integral part of playing the game, for like making barriers, attacking enemies, or moving pieces chopstick style. Quark would have realized his folly of being obsessed with hard currency and not taking a keener interest in important cultural items. He'd then have to start making side bets with the other aliens to win some of the sticks at a crucial moment to save them from a challenge. He'd still be caught out without a stick on his last roll and he'd still have to beg for mercy, but it would have given him more to do than waffle between playing and ending the game.

Anyway, it would have been interesting to see if they kept DS9 as an episode of the week kind of a show where each episode was a different first contact scenario. I'm not sure how long that could have sustained itself though.

The game is Chutes and Ladders

# ? Jun 2, 2023 16:48

Basebf555: Feb 29, 2008; The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!; Fun Shoe

Getting to the end of my TNG run and we're like 10ish episodes from the end and now is the time for a Beverly and her ghost-lover episode? You had 7 seasons to work through your dumb ghost-lover ideas, now you're gonna waste one of the last episodes on it?

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:02

Grand Fromage: Jan 30, 2006; L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?

Bong is the appropriate headspace for Move Along Home.

I also don't think it's a good episode, but it is the type of bad episode I prefer, where at least they're trying something even if I don't think it worked. The episodes that are both bad and lazy are the ones I really hate. Insert Voyager joke here.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:05

F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Move Along Home isn't a great episode, but fan hatred for it - like fan hatred for DS9 and TNG's first seasons - is way beyond what it deserves, in my opinion (thus the "backlash against the backlash" that someone else identified). That's probably true for Voyager as well, which is mostly bland and forgettable rather than hateable.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jun 2, 2023

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:07

Boxturret: Oct 3, 2013; Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

BioEnchanted posted:

Alexander is much more likeable in TNG than DS9. His whole "Destined to become a politician and unite the houses" was way more interesting than the mess that he starts out as in DS9.

Honestly its that and I think I remember hearing about something bad happening to one on of O'Brien's children that I'm not looking forward to in DS9.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:08

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

Move Along Home has powerful 70s sci fi energy and I respect that.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:10

nine-gear crow: Aug 10, 2013

Move Along Home is a Season 3 TOS episode that burst out of Season 1 DS9's chest like a xenomorph infant.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:17

holefoods: Jan 10, 2022

I don�t think it�s a good episode but at least it�s not boring

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:21

F_Shit_Fitzgerald: Feb 2, 2017

Now season 3 of TOS, that's an example of something where the level of hatred is just about right for what it is. Most of the episodes range from half-baked to :wtf:

with some hidden gems among the turds.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:24

Zaroff: Nov 10, 2009; Nothing in the world can stop me now!

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Move Along Home isn't a great episode, but fan hatred for it - like fan hatred for DS9 and TNG's first seasons - is way beyond what it deserves, in my opinion (thus the "backlash against the backlash" that someone else identified). That's probably true for Voyager as well, which is mostly bland and forgettable rather than hateable.

It�s Threshold syndrome - there�s a very dull repeated joke about how Threshold is one of the worst things committed to celluloid, whereas in reality it�s a very average Voyager episode, with a batshit insane final 10 minutes.

# ? Jun 2, 2023 17:56

No Dignity: Oct 15, 2007

Basebf555 posted:

Getting to the end of my TNG run and we're like 10ish episodes from the end and now is the time for a Beverly and her ghost-lover episode? You had 7 seasons to work through your dumb ghost-lover ideas, now you're gonna waste one of the last episodes on it?

You've got to think about it the other way around, they were really running on empty by S7 and running whatever dregs they could scape up, which is why the season is so shaky in general

# ? Jun 2, 2023 18:01

Boxturret: Oct 3, 2013; Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

Zaroff posted:

It�s Threshold syndrome - there�s a very dull repeated joke about how Threshold is one of the worst things committed to celluloid, whereas in reality it�s a very average Voyager episode, with a batshit insane final 10 minutes.

This is what it feels like to watch people's opinion on trek stuff sometimes lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE

I've seen it happen in real time a few times now :allears:

# ? Jun 2, 2023 18:22

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# ? May 24, 2024 09:04

Der Kyhe: Jun 25, 2008

Boxturret posted:

This is what it feels like to watch people's opinion on trek stuff sometimes lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE

I've seen it happen in real time a few times now

And the problem with this would be that....?

# ? Jun 2, 2023 18:30

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