Taima posted:

Have you guys been seeing this stuff about a startup offering a free television that shows ads in your house 24/7?

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/telly-free-smart-tv-250000-sign-ups/

I'm sure it's come up in this thread, but the more I think about it the more uneasy it makes me. This become a lot more common in the way that "0% interest micro loans so you can buy a loving toaster" became common as the bottom fell out of the bottom 75%.

Something truly fascinating about this model is that the people who want the free TV the most are also the people who are the least valuable to serve ads to. I'll bet some people will be denied these televisions on that basis, but there are X factors that can increase the desirability of even a very poor user. For example, one of these televisions placed in a city dwelling is more valuable than one that is placed in the suburbs, which is more valuable than a television placed rurally.

Foot traffic and population in cities means that secondary viewing (like when you have friends and/or family over) becomes more of a thing. Humans usually have friend networks composed of individuals close to their financial standing, but outliers exist, and if you're having some friends over for tea, that television is going to be serving ads, even while off, the entire time.

In a sense I think this is the beginning stages of what I would almost call consumer socialism; as the bottom 75% fails to accumulate enough resources to survive, selling themselves becomes the solution to a lot of problems. A classic example of this would be something like donating plasma, but that's just the archaic first murmurs of a larger system that will likely develop. Companies will pay for every aspect of a human's body and time, and people will likely have no real ability to say no as conditions decline further.

Another super interesting facet is that humans will become paid billboards (think screens woven into backpacks, shirts, etc) in return for a stipend, bonuses based on revenue sharing, and free clothing.

This is nearly inevitable because advertising is going away for well off people and somehow no one is talking about this outside of marketing circles. The top 20% will be able to opt out of ads in their personal devices and lives; a lot of that has already happened. But think of the staggering implications here! The less that the upper middle class and above consumes advertisement, the more valuable that reach becomes.

And that's the true value of people becoming billboards and having other public ad displays- not so they see ads, who gives a poo poo about that, it's about having these people butt straight into the lives of the people who are able to pay their way out of advertising. You will see systems where a user puts on clothing tied to promotional codes, with a battery backpack, and walks around the city while tracked by the app. They are paid for the promo codes that are used but also they get paid based on how many people see the ads and the background socioeconomics of the area the person exists in. It will all be extrapolated algorithmically to determine payouts.

Another aspect is that people will likely not own assets of note; they will borrow these mechanisms from the companies offering them, and have to give them back should they not maintain revenue positive activity, such as loaned small automobiles and e-bikes covered in ads. As the great reset famously predicted, these people will own nothing. Of course the latter part about them being happy is bullshit though.

To get this off the ground you will see major incentives backed by VC money like this "free" television, where people will actually make a living walking around cities. Just like all app hustles though, once the idea is normalized, all of the involved companies will cut payments to the bone.

So for example right now you can get a free tv. Maybe next year you can get a "really cheap" tv. And it goes downwards like that.

The sucking of all physical assets northward is going to have so many weird implications.

SKULL.GIF posted:

https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1664691973607784451

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

what about moist groceries?

cat botherer posted:

Musk's just an rear end in a top hat doing a lot of coke and constantly making impulsive decisions. Overall, I think Zuckercorn's calm and steady total commitment to betting it all something absolutely nobody wants is dumber.

Marx Headroom posted:

*WALMART INCREASES DRY GROCERY PRICES BY 20% OVER TWO YEARS

Taima posted:

This is nearly inevitable because advertising is going away for well off people and somehow no one is talking about this outside of marketing circles. The top 20% will be able to opt out of ads in their personal devices and lives; a lot of that has already happened. But think of the staggering implications here! The less that the upper middle class and above consumes advertisement, the more valuable that reach becomes.

Xaris posted:

lol

i gotta say, i got a bad feeling about this wga strike, especially with how blatant execs are at flaunting money. i mean it's a good strike and necessary; however, i have bad vibes that i think it's gunna ultimately end up ATC'd

SKULL.GIF posted:

https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1664691973607784451

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

what's the actual source for this other than a bloomberg terminal

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

what's the actual source for this other than a bloomberg terminal

a_gelatinous_cube posted:

Holy poo poo number.

Father Wendigo posted:

https://twitter.com/MichaelArtz/status/1664629205936553984?t=Fdu1bvfxrjrUjH5FtVOwIQ&s=19

Father Wendigo posted:

https://twitter.com/MichaelArtz/status/1664629205936553984?t=Fdu1bvfxrjrUjH5FtVOwIQ&s=19

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

that's from years ago

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

that's from years ago

Taima posted:

Have you guys been seeing this stuff about a startup offering a free television that shows ads in your house 24/7?

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/telly-free-smart-tv-250000-sign-ups/

I'm sure it's come up in this thread, but the more I think about it the more uneasy it makes me. This become a lot more common in the way that "0% interest micro loans so you can buy a loving toaster" became common as the bottom fell out of the bottom 75%.

Something truly fascinating about this model is that the people who want the free TV the most are also the people who are the least valuable to serve ads to. I'll bet some people will be denied these televisions on that basis, but there are X factors that can increase the desirability of even a very poor user. For example, one of these televisions placed in a city dwelling is more valuable than one that is placed in the suburbs, which is more valuable than a television placed rurally.

Foot traffic and population in cities means that secondary viewing (like when you have friends and/or family over) becomes more of a thing. Humans usually have friend networks composed of individuals close to their financial standing, but outliers exist, and if you're having some friends over for tea, that television is going to be serving ads, even while off, the entire time.

In a sense I think this is the beginning stages of what I would almost call consumer socialism; as the bottom 75% fails to accumulate enough resources to survive, selling themselves becomes the solution to a lot of problems. A classic example of this would be something like donating plasma, but that's just the archaic first murmurs of a larger system that will likely develop. Companies will pay for every aspect of a human's body and time, and people will likely have no real ability to say no as conditions decline further.

Another super interesting facet is that humans will become paid billboards (think screens woven into backpacks, shirts, etc) in return for a stipend, bonuses based on revenue sharing, and free clothing.

This is nearly inevitable because advertising is going away for well off people and somehow no one is talking about this outside of marketing circles. The top 20% will be able to opt out of ads in their personal devices and lives; a lot of that has already happened. But think of the staggering implications here! The less that the upper middle class and above consumes advertisement, the more valuable that reach becomes.

And that's the true value of people becoming billboards and having other public ad displays- not so they see ads, who gives a poo poo about that, it's about having these people butt straight into the lives of the people who are able to pay their way out of advertising. You will see systems where a user puts on clothing tied to promotional codes, with a battery backpack, and walks around the city while tracked by the app. They are paid for the promo codes that are used but also they get paid based on how many people see the ads and the background socioeconomics of the area the person exists in. It will all be extrapolated algorithmically to determine payouts.

Another aspect is that people will likely not own assets of note; they will borrow these mechanisms from the companies offering them, and have to give them back should they not maintain revenue positive activity, such as loaned small automobiles and e-bikes covered in ads. As the great reset famously predicted, these people will own nothing. Of course the latter part about them being happy is bullshit though.

To get this off the ground you will see major incentives backed by VC money like this "free" television, where people will actually make a living walking around cities. Just like all app hustles though, once the idea is normalized, all of the involved companies will cut payments to the bone.

So for example right now you can get a free tv. Maybe next year you can get a "really cheap" tv. And it goes downwards like that.

The sucking of all physical assets northward is going to have so many weird implications.

Beached Whale posted:

Amazon is planning on doing the same thing for your phone plan so it can harvest all of your conversations for advertising. Imagine you just get off the phone after a tearful conversation with meemaw on her alzheimers diagnosis and instantly get targeted ads for nursing homes in your area, just $4000 a month! We're rapidly approaching the future Ubik predicted.

https://twitter.com/TechInsider/status/1664662491513647104

Taima posted:

Have you guys been seeing this stuff about a startup offering a free television that shows ads in your house 24/7?

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/01/telly-free-smart-tv-250000-sign-ups/

I'm sure it's come up in this thread, but the more I think about it the more uneasy it makes me. This become a lot more common in the way that "0% interest micro loans so you can buy a loving toaster" became common as the bottom fell out of the bottom 75%.

Something truly fascinating about this model is that the people who want the free TV the most are also the people who are the least valuable to serve ads to. I'll bet some people will be denied these televisions on that basis, but there are X factors that can increase the desirability of even a very poor user. For example, one of these televisions placed in a city dwelling is more valuable than one that is placed in the suburbs, which is more valuable than a television placed rurally.

Foot traffic and population in cities means that secondary viewing (like when you have friends and/or family over) becomes more of a thing. Humans usually have friend networks composed of individuals close to their financial standing, but outliers exist, and if you're having some friends over for tea, that television is going to be serving ads, even while off, the entire time.

In a sense I think this is the beginning stages of what I would almost call consumer socialism; as the bottom 75% fails to accumulate enough resources to survive, selling themselves becomes the solution to a lot of problems. A classic example of this would be something like donating plasma, but that's just the archaic first murmurs of a larger system that will likely develop. Companies will pay for every aspect of a human's body and time, and people will likely have no real ability to say no as conditions decline further.

Another super interesting facet is that humans will become paid billboards (think screens woven into backpacks, shirts, etc) in return for a stipend, bonuses based on revenue sharing, and free clothing.

This is nearly inevitable because advertising is going away for well off people and somehow no one is talking about this outside of marketing circles. The top 20% will be able to opt out of ads in their personal devices and lives; a lot of that has already happened. But think of the staggering implications here! The less that the upper middle class and above consumes advertisement, the more valuable that reach becomes.

And that's the true value of people becoming billboards and having other public ad displays- not so they see ads, who gives a poo poo about that, it's about having these people butt straight into the lives of the people who are able to pay their way out of advertising. You will see systems where a user puts on clothing tied to promotional codes, with a battery backpack, and walks around the city while tracked by the app. They are paid for the promo codes that are used but also they get paid based on how many people see the ads and the background socioeconomics of the area the person exists in. It will all be extrapolated algorithmically to determine payouts.

Another aspect is that people will likely not own assets of note; they will borrow these mechanisms from the companies offering them, and have to give them back should they not maintain revenue positive activity, such as loaned small automobiles and e-bikes covered in ads. As the great reset famously predicted, these people will own nothing. Of course the latter part about them being happy is bullshit though.

To get this off the ground you will see major incentives backed by VC money like this "free" television, where people will actually make a living walking around cities. Just like all app hustles though, once the idea is normalized, all of the involved companies will cut payments to the bone.

So for example right now you can get a free tv. Maybe next year you can get a "really cheap" tv. And it goes downwards like that.

The sucking of all physical assets northward is going to have so many weird implications.

actionjackson posted:

i feel like you could disable the ad screen pretty easily on that

or just break it

Justin Tyme posted:

You know what, gently caress it, give me the fire phone with free 5g idgaf anymore

As long as it has a good camera and one of those fancy 90/120hz screens

trevorreznik posted:

Just point it towards a wall or the floor. Throw a rug over it. Whatever

Rectal Death Adept posted:

and you fools all doubted the power of number

pathetic

Vox Nihili posted:

Yeah sure, just miss out on those valuable, personally tailored offers from our finest corporate retailers.

trevorreznik posted:

Just point it towards a wall or the floor. Throw a rug over it. Whatever

RealityWarCriminal posted: