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yeah, i just finished up Neuromancer by Gibson for a book club. Molly, a "samurai" mercenary lady explicitly is taken advantage of by those mind things before she gets cybered up and murders a john. definitely nasty, and not a necessary part of modern cyberpunk games.
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tokenbrownguy posted:yeah, i just finished up Neuromancer by Gibson for a book club. Molly, a "samurai" mercenary lady explicitly is taken advantage of by those mind things before she gets cybered up and murders a john. Yeah I don't think this is one of the places where you can blame the edgelordy stuff on the game writers, the literary inspiration for SR, CP20XX and every other Cyberpunk setting is full of weird sexual violence. Cybered up prostitute assassins were a theme in more than one story. Most of the tropes of OG cyberpunk are rooted in the western cultural fears of the late 70's and early 80's. So I think the killer sex worker thing might stem from the AIDS crisis, there was a lot of "Sex can kill you" fearmongering in the media at the time.
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It’s more the genre authors’ belief that sex work is bad and people doing sex work are selling their bodies and cyberpunk is everything bad in our society taken to 11.
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I've been reading a lot of Usagi Yojimbo lately, excellent comic series btw. Is the newest edition of the RPG based on the comic any good? Or the previous ones for that matter.
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Jun 3, 2023 03:17
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Wait holy poo poo the original was by STOLZE???
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ninjoatse.cx posted:It’s more the genre authors’ belief that sex work is bad and people doing sex work are selling their bodies and cyberpunk is everything bad in our society taken to 11. "Sex work is bad" is not at all consistent with Gibson's stated views. "People in Neuromancer's setting get taken advantage of in exact proportion to their vulnerability" is, however.
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Kestral posted:"Sex work is bad" is not at all consistent with Gibson's stated views. "People in Neuromancer's setting get taken advantage of in exact proportion to their vulnerability" is, however. It would be fair to say this stuff is unnecessary and gratuitous, of course.
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Deus Ex HR also had a brothel where many prostitutes are made to get bionics to appeal to client tastes. Ghost in the Shell has at least a few sexbots gone murderous. It's usually pretty lurid however it's treated.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Deus Ex HR also had a brothel where many prostitutes are made to get bionics to appeal to client tastes. Ghost in the Shell has at least a few sexbots gone murderous. It's usually pretty lurid however it's treated. assuming any new technology will be immediately repurposed to do sex stuff is solidly grounded in reality tho
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If automation can replace sex trafficking, bring on the automation. I'd rather robots get hustled from country to country to serve perverts than innocent humans.
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Kwyndig posted:If automation can replace sex trafficking, bring on the automation. I'd rather robots get hustled from country to country to serve perverts than innocent humans. 
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Bar Crow posted:Losing control of your material conditions in exchange for treats just means you are in an intermediate stage. The treats will be be taken away because there is nothing you can do about it. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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LatwPIAT posted:But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? 
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Kestral posted:"Sex work is bad" is not at all consistent with Gibson's stated views. "People in Neuromancer's setting get taken advantage of in exact proportion to their vulnerability" is, however. And I think a lot of the 'sex worker cyber killers' probably comes to us from Priss, both in Blade Runner and Bubblegum Crisis. (At least it's probably where Pondsmith got it, but I haven't read Hard Wired so maybe there too.)
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Is there an easy way to match paint colors? I ordered a figurine from China, and some of the parts are mispainted. Is there an easy way to sample a color and then find out what to buy / how to mix? e: is there a better thread to ask in?
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Dawgstar posted:And I think a lot of the 'sex worker cyber killers' probably comes to us from Priss, both in Blade Runner and Bubblegum Crisis. (At least it's probably where Pondsmith got it, but I haven't read Hard Wired so maybe there too.) If I recall correctly (it's been decades) Hardwired had a male prostitute/spy/assassin with a weird throat weapon that I think they called "The Snake". The other major influence on Pondsmiths CP was When Gravity Fails which had (trans) sex workers as secondary characters, I think they were mostly victims of the murder plot line though and not killers themselves. ninjoatse.cx posted:Is there an easy way to match paint colors? I ordered a figurine from China, and some of the parts are mispainted. Is there an easy way to sample a color and then find out what to buy / how to mix? The mini painting thread would be a better place, but I can't think of any reliable way to do that, other than consulting a paint manufacturers color chart.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:It’s more the genre authors’ belief that sex work is bad and people doing sex work are selling their bodies and cyberpunk is everything bad in our society taken to 11. So on the one hand yeah maybe you're right about they writers' motivations and attitudes, but on the other hand death of the author etc. In the gripping hand I'm not playing a cyberpunk RPG or reading a cyberpunk book to read about hosed up future rape so no matter how much it "makes sense" maybe leave it out anyway? Splicer fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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I feel like there's probably a mix of "hmmm, yes, what if I mix boobies in with my robots and violence, that would be very exciting" and "it would be believable that in this super hosed up world, what is already hosed up would be extra hosed up, with robots," but I generally get non-greasy feelings from most cyberpunk stuff. CP2077, for all its flaws, genuinely felt like the plotline with the brothel managed to make me feel disgust at what was normalized for the prostitutes(renting out their bodies in the most literal and dehumanizing way imaginable, as puppets run by horny algorithms for customers to have fun with) without ever feeling like the prostitutes were in any way blamed or shamed for it.
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trapstar posted:Just a random thought that came to my head. I choose to be rich but in our regular medieval world. I commission a sturdy tablet detailing the events of the early 21st century and bury it somewhere it won't be found until it's too late. I become history's greatest mystery.
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Ettin posted:I choose to be rich but in our regular medieval world. I commission a sturdy tablet detailing the events of the early 21st century and bury it somewhere it won't be found until it's too late. I become history's greatest mystery. they already blew up the georgia guidestones
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Splicer posted:So on the one hand yeah maybe you're right about they writers' motivations and attitudes, but on the other hand death of the author etc. In the gripping hand I'm not playing a cyberpunk RPG or reading a cyberpunk book to read about hosed up future rape so no matter how much it "makes sense" maybe leave it out anyway? You don't have to put a spotlight on it, it's not a major part of the core play loop in any cyberpunk game I've played. Like any other TTRPG, you own the tone and the content at the table.
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Modiphius's Conan license is expiring, so you can get all the pdfs for a song right now on dtrpg. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/232064/Conan-by-Crom-BUNDLE
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Ettin posted:I choose to be rich but in our regular medieval world. I commission a sturdy tablet detailing the events of the early 21st century and bury it somewhere it won't be found until it's too late. I become history's greatest mystery. This but instead of anything detailed, I use abstract Loss iconography on everything in my realm
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Ettin posted:I choose to be rich but in our regular medieval world. I commission a sturdy tablet detailing the events of the early 21st century and bury it somewhere it won't be found until it's too late. I become history's greatest mystery. If that's on the table, can I recommend leaving a big stone block of Nostradumus' quatrains translated into Chinese 200 years before and near where he was born. That'd really gently caress them up.
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dwarf74 posted:Modiphius's Conan license is expiring, so you can get all the pdfs for a song right now on dtrpg. 94% off is a hell of a deal for a legit good game. $28.17 vs. $443.42
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Ettin posted:I choose to be rich but in our regular medieval world. I commission a sturdy tablet detailing the events of the early 21st century and bury it somewhere it won't be found until it's too late. I become history's greatest mystery. Xiahou Dun posted:If that's on the table, can I recommend leaving a big stone block of Nostradumus' quatrains translated into Chinese 200 years before and near where he was born. the real reason time cops were invented
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Runa posted:the real reason time cops were invented ATCAB
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My Lovely Horse posted:Medieval fantasy world covers a pretty broad spectrum. Westeros is a medieval fantasy world and it's an absolute horrifying shitshow for everyone involved. If I were rich in Westeros I'd probably just gently caress off to one of the city states on the other continent and live in decadent luxury but also avoiding stepping on people's toes
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Being middle-class in a sci fi setting sounds like the best call. However, important caveat: Can I bring books back to the medieval era with me? Even one will do.
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depicting bad stuff happening in the future, where by definition all problems have been solved? hard pass homie
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I think only MonsieurChoc here cares about this other than me but man I wanna run a tabletop set on the Anbennar setting. 
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Orcs must Dookan
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It's good and covers parts of the early modern era that aren't normally touched on in fantasy settings. It has a lot of built in villain potential by how many nations are set up to become world threatening magic empires if they get going. It also helps that anyone who has content is written as the protagonist of their own story.
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Plutonis posted:I think only MonsieurChoc here cares about this other than me but man I wanna run a tabletop set on the Anbennar setting. This drat thing takes 4 DLCs totaling $65. wtf
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's good and covers parts of the early modern era that aren't normally touched on in fantasy settings. It has a lot of built in villain potential by how many nations are set up to become world threatening magic empires if they get going. It also helps that anyone who has content is written as the protagonist of their own story. Are there matchlocks? I’m a sucker for matchlock representation in fantasy.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:This drat thing takes 4 DLCs totaling $65. wtf Hey, that's cheaper than most stuff to get in this board 
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Oh wow, a fantasy EU IV total conversion. That merits looking into.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:This drat thing takes 4 DLCs totaling $65. wtf CitizenKeen posted:Oh wow, a fantasy EU IV total conversion. That merits looking into. Xiahou Dun posted:Are there matchlocks?
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I may just be fundamentally juvenile, but I keep having trouble getting into any Anbennar lore just because one of the main characters is named "Dookan." It's too close to scatological jokes for me to keep my head in the fiction.
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