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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Shoigu, where ammo suka?

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Dick Bastardly
Aug 22, 2012

Muttley is SKYNET!!!
American tankie brain is a byproduct of Russian social engineering as is chuddery

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Ukraine War: the situation is unpleasant

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

What kind of war is this?

Conquest with Russian characteristics

capitalcomma
Sep 9, 2001

A grim bloody fable, with an unhappy bloody end.

Elukka posted:

It has made me watch what kind of leftist circles I hang around in. In my experience the highest risk of tankie brain are in purely American groups, whereas more international groups have a higher chance of doing better.

Having lefty Ukrainians or Russians in the mix tends to inoculate against American tankie brain since it's harder to do that to their face.

I have a lithuanian co-worker, and recently had the privilege of watching her chew out a pair of podcast socialists at my work when they started spouting pro-USSR talking points about the Cold War.

Formerly-colonized peoples have very little patience for bougie little shits thinking they have the real scoop on what eastern Europeans want.

capitalcomma fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jun 3, 2023

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

capitalcomma posted:

I honestly find it disheartening to see the "war is bad, leave Ukraine to their fate give peace a chance" poo poo coming from progressive and leftist circles. There was a time I thought the new leftist resurgence in America was going to focus on pushing working class-oriented economic reforms, something that is desperately needed in this country now. It sucks that so many of the left-of-center organizations in the US discredit themselves like this.
I tried to read about how the Democratic Socialists of America ended up with this position and as far as I can tell from reading until my eyes rolled so far up they fell out the problem is Ukraine joining NATO means they are not self-determining and they DO want Russia to stop, just, you know, not in any way that would have any chance of making them stop.

I feel like there should really be an "actual genocide" button we can hit to help these people understand the stakes are currently not amenable to "but we are all brothers, please ask for peace!"

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Tree Bucket posted:

So does this mean the DSA may have been partially funded by Russia? Or is it an (un)happy accident that things aligned this way.

frankly, they're dumb enough to do it for free

capitalcomma
Sep 9, 2001

A grim bloody fable, with an unhappy bloody end.

Dr. Quarex posted:

I tried to read about how the Democratic Socialists of America ended up with this position and as far as I can tell from reading until my eyes rolled so far up they fell out the problem is Ukraine joining NATO means they are not self-determining

Joining the USSR at gunpoint? self-determining.
Joining the Warsaw Pact at gunpoint? self-determining.
CSTO? that trade union putin is making? Novorussia? The next moving-the-goalposts version of Minsk that Putin will totally honor this time? self-determining.

The only "self-determination" options that are valid are ones that put Ukraine under moscow's boot. Funny, that.

capitalcomma fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jun 3, 2023

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Elukka posted:

It has made me watch what kind of leftist circles I hang around in. In my experience the highest risk of tankie brain are in purely American groups, whereas more international groups have a higher chance of doing better.

Having lefty Ukrainians or Russians in the mix tends to inoculate against American tankie brain since it's harder to do that to their face.

'tankie' as a term was spawned because of the Communist Party of Great Britain supporting the USSR quashing rebellions in Warsaw Pact countries

it's everywhere lmfao. hell, i'm pretty sure specifically during this war there were posts in this thread or a previous incarnation of it about... Sweden's? - Communist party just lock step falling behind supporting Russia. They apparently backed off from it after massive amounts of backlash, but their initial reaction was straight up tankie brain.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Tree Bucket posted:

So does this mean the DSA may have been partially funded by Russia? Or is it an (un)happy accident that things aligned this way.

they're loving idiots. this was early covid but the lot of their leadership literally flew to Venezuela and had a fun, happy party time put on by Maduro while the rest of his country was starving and dying from the pandemic

https://www.cfr.org/blog/democratic-socialists-america-embraces-maduro-dictatorship

there's a bunch of tweets floating around showing videos and photos of these lily white fucks partying it up and talking about how great Maduro is, and how they found out first hand that the media is totally lying about the situation in venezuela

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
the historic opposition of the DSA and its forebears to actually existing communism served as a guardrail against veering into leftier-than-thou campism during the tortuous arc of the New Left, so ironically the non-communism of contemporary Russia is probably a factor there

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1664991527943258115
That'll show that evil field who's boss.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
https://twitter.com/rochowanski/status/1664481766713835520

some trad freak chud really likes russia.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


We need to know for sure. Let’s dig up that concrete pyramid early warning radar in North Dakota and park it in the Ukrainian country side, turning it on when you want to roast the pubes off of you average hapless Russian airforce missle-deliverer

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

EasilyConfused posted:

Did you say PRIVILEGE???

Daily Caller video but whatever, its still valid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o

I blame Hasan Piker

Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jun 3, 2023

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

That's a hell of a crater though

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1665086191543230464
In case anyone needs a good laugh at delusional pro-russians

Deus Ex Macklemore
Jul 2, 2004


Zelensky's Zealots

shadow puppet of a posted:

We need to know for sure. Let’s dig up that concrete pyramid early warning radar in North Dakota and park it in the Ukrainian country side, turning it on when you want to roast the pubes off of you average hapless Russian airforce missle-deliverer

There's a what now?

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

Flyinglemur posted:

There's a what now?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_R._Mickelsen_Safeguard_Complex

The Locator
Sep 12, 2004

Out here, everything hurts.






Gotta love our government/military. Spend 15 billion dollars and decommission it the day after it goes online.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

here's Igor again, with more dooming.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1664935983614156801

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1665086191543230464
In case anyone needs a good laugh at delusional pro-russians

Ooh some good ones there. I don't normally follow idiots like this or Copelord for mental health reasons so it's fun to catch up.

https://twitter.com/commander206/status/1665087519073894402

https://twitter.com/reconghostsamar/status/1665087576254865408



Could this be a feint :thunk:

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Dick Bastardly posted:

American tankie brain is a byproduct of Russian social engineering as is chuddery

A hell of a lot of people who think they are politically aware are prime targets of propaganda and misinformation - because said misinformation and propaganda works all so well on them

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1665125350156947457
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1665129213584629761
https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1665126610909970432
Here we go again.....

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

Putin is a real piece of poo poo.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

Let's just build our anti apocalypse radar array in the same proportions as the Temple of Luxor

Pot Smoke Phoenix
Aug 15, 2007



Smoke 'em if you gottem!
Dinosaur Gum

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

A hell of a lot of people who think they are politically aware are prime targets of propaganda and misinformation - because said misinformation and propaganda works all so well on them

Having governments comprised of Luddites with no clue how any of the tech works doesn't help either, they can't protect the populace when they don't even understand what Tik-Tok is let alone how harmful Facebook et al is with regards to privacy.

It's gonna take lawsuits to establish precedence, and not preventative measures in place- the cart's before the horse in that regard.

And then, in the US at least- Citizen's United, which should be illegal under Sherman Anti-trust laws at a minimum, (IANAL) but corporations are now essentially people, so the companies behind the social media privacy threats are spending huge bucks to make sure the Luddites stay in power, and not the tech-savvy

ROJO
Jan 14, 2006

Oven Wrangler

For anyone who hasn't looked it up before, you have to check out some of the YouTube videos of old Sprint missile test launches (the endo-atmosheric interceptor part of Safeguard). That missile had absolutely insane kinematic performance. 1st stage burnout in less than two seconds. By second stage burnout (5-10 seconds or so) it was glowing white hot from air drag as it ripped through the atmosphere trying to get to its intercept point.

ROJO fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jun 4, 2023

zone
Dec 6, 2016

KCMA reported that air defense worked in Kyiv.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

A hell of a lot of people who think they are politically aware are prime targets of propaganda and misinformation - because said misinformation and propaganda works all so well on them


I feel its the same trap Alex Jones fans or Fox News boomers fall into.

They spend so much time sitting in an echo chamber echosystem that spends so much time bashing anyone who disagrees with them, that they discount anything that goes against their worldviews out of hand. Because they're bad. No other thinking needed.

Its something none of us are immune to.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

A hell of a lot of people who think they are politically aware are prime targets of propaganda and misinformation - because said misinformation and propaganda works all so well on them

Duh, yah, but have you considered that the Ukraine MOD twitter account is cringe??

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1665032196401295360

:laffo:

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


ROJO posted:

For anyone who hasn't looked it up before, you have to check out some of the YouTube videos of old Sprint missile test launches (the endo-atmosheric interceptor part of Safeguard). That missile had absolutely insane kinematic performance. 1st stage burnout in less than two seconds. By second stage burnout (5-10 seconds or so) it was glowing white hot from air drag as it ripped through the atmosphere trying to get to its intercept point.

It goes from zero to Mach 10 in less than 5 seconds. The entire premise was that nuclear decoys would fail on re-entry so once below 70km only real nukes would remain, moving at 5km/s. Hence you build a real fast missle that carries a nuclear warhead to fly to intercept them at like 15km above ground in the 10 seconds you've got before the nukes hit and blow up the incoming nuke swarm with a nuke of your own.

the entire thing was shitcanned because it was pretty easy to see that an ABM system was going to cost more than an equivalent amount of nukes would cost, and ultimately would hence fail. Eventually I think they were only deployed around ICBM silos in the US arsenal rather than population centres, solely to limit the damage of a first strike against the US arsenal and hence more reliably allow a counterattack. Even then it got shitcanned for the same reason.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
lol, Nuland did way too muchcoke one night and got recorded sharing her delusions of grandeur and it's become one of the cornerstones of the tankie narrative against Ukraine

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Drone_Fragger posted:

It goes from zero to Mach 10 in less than 5 seconds. The entire premise was that nuclear decoys would fail on re-entry so once below 70km only real nukes would remain, moving at 5km/s. Hence you build a real fast missle that carries a nuclear warhead to fly to intercept them at like 15km above ground in the 10 seconds you've got before the nukes hit and blow up the incoming nuke swarm with a nuke of your own.

the entire thing was shitcanned because it was pretty easy to see that an ABM system was going to cost more than an equivalent amount of nukes would cost, and ultimately would hence fail. Eventually I think they were only deployed around ICBM silos in the US arsenal rather than population centres, solely to limit the damage of a first strike against the US arsenal and hence more reliably allow a counterattack. Even then it got shitcanned for the same reason.

Cold war was some wild rear end poo poo.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









TK-42-1 posted:

Cold war was some wild rear end poo poo.

They had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, they went insane

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



TK-42-1 posted:

Cold war was some wild rear end poo poo.

The weird combo of “not much to do day-to-day” and “maybe today is the day we kickstart the apocalypse” led straight to

sebmojo posted:

They had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, they went insane

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Drone_Fragger posted:

It goes from zero to Mach 10 in less than 5 seconds. The entire premise was that nuclear decoys would fail on re-entry so once below 70km only real nukes would remain, moving at 5km/s. Hence you build a real fast missle that carries a nuclear warhead to fly to intercept them at like 15km above ground in the 10 seconds you've got before the nukes hit and blow up the incoming nuke swarm with a nuke of your own.

the entire thing was shitcanned because it was pretty easy to see that an ABM system was going to cost more than an equivalent amount of nukes would cost, and ultimately would hence fail. Eventually I think they were only deployed around ICBM silos in the US arsenal rather than population centres, solely to limit the damage of a first strike against the US arsenal and hence more reliably allow a counterattack. Even then it got shitcanned for the same reason.

Turns out they work insanely well, Congress just realized they were using all that money to save North Dakota and came to their senses.

Captain Fargle
Feb 16, 2011

ROJO posted:

For anyone who hasn't looked it up before, you have to check out some of the YouTube videos of old Sprint missile test launches (the endo-atmosheric interceptor part of Safeguard). That missile had absolutely insane kinematic performance. 1st stage burnout in less than two seconds. By second stage burnout (5-10 seconds or so) it was glowing white hot from air drag as it ripped through the atmosphere trying to get to its intercept point.

Mankind's ingenuity is genuinely terrifying sometimes.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

sebmojo posted:

They had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, they went insane

Little by little? Project Pluto was at the Beginning of the cold war. The insanity was out of the gate.

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