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wasn't there an episode where a different race, i want to say cardassian, was complaining about the overreliance on redundancy in starfleet systems?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Amerigoons, if you haven't watched Strange New Worlds yet it's currently free to watch on Youtube for a limited time. Watching Picard instead 
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Jun 4, 2023 00:54
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Boob Cop posted:Watching Picard instead Your funeral 
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Jun 4, 2023 01:09
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MikeJF posted:
Yeah I was thinking about it as a TV show set/visual language thing. The TNG set is just too open and sparse. The orange lights and three sides being walls on Voyager do a better job at telling your brain “This is separated and safe”. Though of course anything is better than DS9s little one bed shoebox, if anything a big rear end space station should have the biggest most expensive medical suite of the three, though it did get that cool MRI machine.
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Jun 4, 2023 01:11
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If you don't have enough safety redundancies someone is going to evolve into a lizard and kidnap the captain. Or some kid will make sapient nanobots that take over the ship. Or the holodeck will come alive again. You can never have enough safety programs in Starfleet.
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Jun 4, 2023 01:18
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Craig K posted:wasn't there an episode where a different race, i want to say cardassian, was complaining about the overreliance on redundancy in starfleet systems? Yeah I'm pretty sure that's from the episode where that cardie lady tells O'Brien how fertile she is
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Jun 4, 2023 01:23
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galagazombie posted:Though of course anything is better than DS9s little one bed shoebox, if anything a big rear end space station should have the biggest most expensive medical suite of the three, though it did get that cool MRI machine. No need to attend to more than one Bajoran at once. If more than one is injured, the others can wait. I'll assume Cardassians got care in their quarters.
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Jun 4, 2023 01:25
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The General posted:No need to attend to more than one Bajoran at once. If more than one is injured, the others can wait. The Cardassian sickbay is where the Arboritum is now, before the Spoonies bailed on Terok Nor it was just full of hot rocks and it smelled like a herpetarium.
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Jun 4, 2023 01:33
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It's not like the station short of space. I always got the impression that like 2/3 of it was devoted to ore processing, since it was an ore processing station. The just couldn't be bothered to refit it into anything useful, or even take a good look at it for years until the attn bajoran workers episode.
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Jun 4, 2023 01:40
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Well you also need all that storage space for all those knockout and poison gasses you can just vent into the atmosphere.
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Jun 4, 2023 01:51
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mycomancy posted:Well you also need all that storage space for all those knockout and poison gasses you can just vent into the atmosphere. That whole system is classed as a High Energy pressure system, so that means we gotta get the Pipefitters involved, there's dozens of forms to fill out, mandatory training for everyone who'll be interacting with the poison tanks and associated pipelines... ...it's like, a whole fuckin' thing, man.
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Jun 4, 2023 01:54
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the federation filled the ore space with torpedoes eventually
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Jun 4, 2023 02:10
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That thing that covers your junk can slide up and down the table in case you're a species whose junk is on their patella or wherever.
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Facebook Aunt posted:If you don't have enough safety redundancies someone is going to evolve into a lizard and kidnap the captain. Or some kid will make sapient nanobots that take over the ship. Or the holodeck will come alive again. You can never have enough safety programs in Starfleet. I mean those things still happened with all the redundancies so you got to start asking some questions. What you really need is a double blind test, one ship with the redundancies one without, and after a year check how many random space/time lizard kidnappers each ship ended up with or whatever.
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Jun 4, 2023 03:16
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I never noticed it before but it bothers me now that the TNG sickbay apparently has one of those backlights you stick xrays up to so you can view them but with LCARS stickers applied
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Jun 4, 2023 03:52
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Animal-Mother posted:That thing that covers your junk can slide up and down the table in case you're a species whose junk is on their patella or wherever. the technical term is masturbation shield
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Jun 4, 2023 05:20
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Finally watching Lower Decks. Love that the Pakleds the big bads
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RandolphCarter posted:Finally watching Lower Decks. Love that the Pakleds the big bads An incredibly appropriate nemesis for the crew of the Cerritos.
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Jun 4, 2023 05:48
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dr_rat posted:I mean those things still happened with all the redundancies so you got to start asking some questions. What you really need is a double blind test, one ship with the redundancies one without, and after a year check how many random space/time lizard kidnappers each ship ended up with or whatever. I wonder about klingon OSHA. Klingons don't generally seem cautious, but redundancies are built into them from the ground level. There is no glory to dying in your sleep to a leaky valve.
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Jun 4, 2023 05:55
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dr_rat posted:I mean those things still happened with all the redundancies so you got to start asking some questions. What you really need is a double blind test, one ship with the redundancies one without, and after a year check how many random space/time lizard kidnappers each ship ended up with or whatever. There's a fanon theory that Starfleet are the only ones who encounter all this space bullshit because their ships are the only ones who survive it - for everyone else, it's just a given that x% of your ships will mysteriously vanish in space and that's just a cost of space travel, because they're not set up to survive and figure your way out of space bullshit the way Starfleet is. (And another reason is that as soon as anyone from another civilisation sees a glowing space rear end in a top hat in front of their ship, they just mark 'some crap here, AVOID' on the map and go around it.)
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Jun 4, 2023 08:47
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MikeJF posted:There's a fanon theory that Starfleet are the only ones who encounter all this space bullshit because their ships are the only ones who survive it - for everyone else, it's just a given that x% of your ships will mysteriously vanish in space and that's just a cost of space travel, because they're not set up to survive and figure your way out of space bullshit the way Starfleet is. Klingon officer: captain, our scanners detect a kind of giant space jellyfish. It doesn't appear to be hosti- Klingon captain: RAMMING SPEED!! for the purpose of this joke the Klingons say "jellyfish" instead of whatever Klingon equivalent, a BlaRgh'dooJ or whatever, for the nerd that was about to call me out on that
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Jun 4, 2023 09:53
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Facebook Aunt posted:I wonder about klingon OSHA. Klingons don't generally seem cautious, but redundancies are built into them from the ground level. There is no glory to dying in your sleep to a leaky valve. “This walkway has no spikes or projections at eye level. Without Honor!!”
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I think that the Klingons we see are the top psychos of their society, as they get funneled into the IDF to keep them from loving things up. Gowron and other politicians put on the facade to make their troops happy, but really they're as whiny and bitchy as any other species.
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Jun 4, 2023 15:42
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davidspackage posted:a BlaRgh'dooJ  WHAAAAT!? My Mother was a saint! Get oouut.
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davidspackage posted:Klingon officer: captain, our scanners detect a kind of giant space jellyfish. It doesn't appear to be hosti- Actually every world has a Jeh'Lē vizsh, just like the jynnan tonnyx
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mycomancy posted:I think that the Klingons we see are the top psychos of their society, as they get funneled into the IDF to keep them from loving things up. Gowron and other politicians put on the facade to make their troops happy, but really they're as whiny and bitchy as any other species. Nah, there certainly are Klingon functionaries, chefs, lawyers and scientists, but they're anomalies. The Klingon empire runs on raiding, conquest, serfdom and trade, like a stereotyped Viking society. Starfleet is very much like what you describe though.
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thotsky posted:Nah, there certainly are Klingon functionaries, chefs, lawyers and scientists, but they're anomalies. The Klingon empire runs on raiding, conquest, serfdom and trade, like a stereotyped Viking society. Starfleet is very much like what you describe though. Yeah, that one Enterprise episode pretty much said so. Klingon society used to be honor driven empire with several honorable professions and great houses for all sorts of walks of life, but around 22nd century the warrior caste is getting over-represented in the government and all other castes and professions are being ignored as battle and conquest was considered the fastest way to get personal honor, get to become considered a founder of a great house, and get the best positions in the empire.
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Jun 4, 2023 17:30
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I like the implication that the Klingon Empire is a victim of its own imperialism, with the warrior class basically metastasizing out of control thanks to the wealth brought by conquest and looting.Craig K posted:wasn't there an episode where a different race, i want to say cardassian, was complaining about the overreliance on redundancy in starfleet systems? IIRC "What is all this clutter? I can't access the primary system." O'Brien: "Oh, that's the secondary backup." "...... The *secondary* backup?" O'Brien: "...yeah?? You can never have enough backups." Honestly who knows if its Starfleet policy, or simply O'Brien's personal idea of how to do a spaceship properly after long service on the Enterprise.
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davidspackage posted:the Klingons say "jellyfish" instead of whatever Klingon equivalent, a BlaRgh'dooJ or whatever, for the nerd that was about to call me out on that Um actually it's "qeSnoDmaj" you ungoogling petaQ!
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In someways it feels very starfleet with everything being by the book lots of regulations, ships designed with massive tolerances and what not. In otherwise it doesn't with starfleets totally disregard for OHAS, and monitors exploding all the time. If you've engineered everything to have multiple redundancies you'd think you'd also know enough to chuck in a couple of surge protectors. ...wait is that why they have multiple redundancies for their ships systems, everything keeps blowing up, and instead of just engineering them not to do that, they're just like gently caress it rather than figuring out a way to make them not blow up on a whim, we'll just chuck in a couple of redundancies that will kick in when they do and then call it a day. I mean I've definitely worked with people who are 100% on that exact method.
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Jun 4, 2023 17:58
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I may have just watched the first ep of SNW and it may have been kinda amazing
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naem posted:I may have just watched the first ep of SNW and it may have been kinda amazing It is amazing and also arguably the least good episode of the season so enjoy!
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Endless Trash posted:It is amazing and also arguably the least good episode of the season so enjoy! thank you mike stoklassa
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Jun 4, 2023 21:23
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naem posted:thank you mike stoklassa you’re welcome chipmunk with a cigarette
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holy poo poo that’s rebecca romijn
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I've come to think of this as the ST:PAB thread
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Dabir posted:I am playing Star Trek: Legacy (2006 video game). Wow, it kind of sucks! Play the Bridge Commander: Kobayashi Maru mod instead,
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MikeJF posted:(And another reason is that as soon as anyone from another civilisation sees a glowing space rear end in a top hat in front of their ship, they just mark 'some crap here, AVOID' on the map and go around it.) Yeah theres a ds9 ep where Dax is like "well the last people who saw this spacial fold were Vulcans, their ship exploded along with the rest of the star system when they tried to make it not be a thing" dr_rat posted:In someways it feels very starfleet with everything being by the book lots of regulations, ships designed with massive tolerances and what not. Yeah I mean my pet theory is those are the surge protectors. Like you're talking about powerlines that carry well above the level of current and voltage than our every day pylon powerlines do (idk the right name, ykwim, whatever). So having a tiny explosion is better than the console creating plasma arcs across the bridge andor instantly vapourizing anyone present. dr_rat posted:
eventual consistency 
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Jun 4, 2023 22:59
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FlamingLiberal posted:Just looking at what Chakotay got to do in the first few seasons- you missed the episode where he is a ghost and beats the poo poo out of Tuvok constantly
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Why would the consoles even be hooked into the main power line such that the feedback from the shields taking hits goes anywhere near them
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