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Oh huh. I was wondering why the sub suddenly went private. Figured it was unfortunately something pride month related but was also hoping it wasn't.
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Jun 4, 2023 06:29
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Daniel Isberner (the German author who’s done a bunch of stuff for BattleTech) posted a nice statement about the subreddit thing on his site HPG Station https://hpgstation.de/2023/06/04/offizieller-battletech-subreddit/ Very quickly summarized: gently caress the old subreddit, trying to be ”nonpolitical” is bullshit, gently caress homophobia (and related), and also deal with it
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Jun 4, 2023 09:18
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They are currently getting dragged over the coals for this poo poo, as they should be.
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a cyborg mug posted:Daniel Isberner (the German author who’s done a bunch of stuff for BattleTech) posted a nice statement about the subreddit thing on his site HPG Station They apparently found one of the mods had posted Wehrmacht painted mechs in the past under an alt, and that a bunch more had defended similar paint schemes and 'clean wehrmacht' Nazi apologia, so it shouldn't have been too much of a surprise. Hell, back in 2021 when games workshop stomped their foot down and basically said 'gently caress off nazis' in response to the undercurrent of poo poo heads in their community, the reddit battletech mods were all too happy to have them migrate so long as it 'wasn't political'. I think the most *insert jerkoff motion here* bit of the whole thing is they tried to set the date for their new 'no politics after this date' as 1988. Just in case anyone was confused as to what they are about.
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Jun 4, 2023 10:54
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It's a distopia, so they should be snickering and winking when the wokes are doing ritualized forever war in pride-mechs. But they're so dumb and hate so hard that they can't understand what it would mean that they have hilariously blown up their little fiefdoms rather than just accept queer people can like giant robots too. I said something similar when 40k players had a meltdown over gender integrated IG. It's just good they're so loud though, makes them very easy to avoid.
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Jun 4, 2023 13:16
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Yeah they decisively lost control of the little culture war they thought they were fighting by being unable to just ignore rainbow coloured mechs for a day.
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Jun 4, 2023 13:22
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Me, non political, setting up my waffen-inspired Desert Fox lance: poo poo, pride roundels? Oh no. My literal enemy whom I want to blow up has gone woke
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Jun 4, 2023 13:28
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Yeah they decisively lost control of the little culture war they thought they were fighting by being unable to just ignore rainbow coloured mechs for a day. seriously, all they had to do what literally nothing, the easiest thing to do. apparently the idea of lgbt people existing is so offensive they can't help themselves Also finding it amusing that a bunch of people defending the mods are going off about people who never post now posting because they're completely unfamiliar with the concept of lurkers ilmucche fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Jun 4, 2023 14:54
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The archived post on the subject is very  . Apparently pride only happened in 1999 so that's why it's not allowed.Please do not fact check them, that would be politics.
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Jun 4, 2023 15:41
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Cross posted from the GBS thread. There's a Gibbus thread?
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Just played a very fun Alpha Strike game that came down to the very last dice roll. We were playing a threeway with one guy playing BattleTech of any kind for the first time. One opponent had a heavy, very elite lance of Kurita mechs. The newcomer had two lances of three Steiner mechs. I had a nimble force consisting of a lance of mechs and a lance of tracked and hover vehicles. We were battling over a downed helicopter with sensitive data in a ruined city. You had to be the only one to have models within 2” of the objective in the middle of the map. On turn 8 the Steiner forces had to admit they had bitten off more than they had could chew and made a tactical retreat (the player had suffered a couple of bad losses and had to go anyway so he bowed out). My mercs and the Kurita forces were left to battle it out. It was the last turn. I had one more victory point than my opponent but my opponent was leading in terms of destroyed units so if the game would have been a draw with victory points, he would have won. At the start of the turn he had a relatively unscathed Archer and a pristine Gunslinger sitting on the objective. I had no chance of destroying both enemy mechs in the last turn. However, what I could do was sprint an undamaged Scimitar hover tank (with 3 armor and 2 inner structure) behind the Gunslinger to block them from gaining the victory point, but it was in full view and short range of the Archer that could do 4 points of damage. The Gunslinger also could do one point of damage from the rear. They would either have to score all five points of damage or have an incredibly lucky critical roll. We were playing with the DFA damage rules so it was quite unlikely. I decide I have no other option than to go for my rear end in a top hat maneuver. My hover tank positions itself behind the Gunslinger. The Archer unloads on it… doing 3 damage. Its armor is gone, but the Scimitar is alive. It can’t be killed by damage alone anymore. The Gunslinger’s rear lasers activate. My opponent rolls - and hits. He rolls for critical… and the first and only snake eyes of the game is rolled. The Scimitar’s ammo explodes in a fiery inferno and whatever is left of the vehicle careens into the side of a skyscraper. The Kurita mechs extract all of the information while my mercenaries retreat back to base with incomplete data. Hopefully not all of it is useless… THAT was the kind of finish I play these games for. How exhilarating can pushing plastic toys around and rolling dice be? a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Jun 4, 2023 17:09
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ilmucche posted:seriously, all they had to do what literally nothing, the easiest thing to do. apparently the idea of lgbt people existing is so offensive they can't help themselves Ah yes, that old bane of BT threads, "no-name posters coming out of the woodwork." I bet they weren't sanguine about that one.
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Jun 4, 2023 18:15
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That's how posting legends are born.
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Jun 4, 2023 18:41
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This whole thing was enough of a shitshow to wake the founder of the subreddit. He opened it 15 years ago and hadn't posted in years, saw what was going on and fired all the mods.
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Jun 4, 2023 19:46
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Defiance Industries posted:This whole thing was enough of a shitshow to wake the founder of the subreddit. He opened it 15 years ago and hadn't posted in years, saw what was going on and fired all the mods. Yessssss
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Jun 4, 2023 19:54
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Defiance Industries posted:This whole thing was enough of a shitshow to wake the founder of the subreddit. He opened it 15 years ago and hadn't posted in years, saw what was going on and fired all the mods. Good to hear. File me under the former posters of the official BT forums looking askance at a CGL-backed alternative being pushed.
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Jun 4, 2023 21:32
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LRM20s are for everyone
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Jun 4, 2023 21:52
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The official forums are a pretty miserable place, but that's as much down to the people who post there is anything. The atmosphere has improved since Ray took over, though. Herb was just a tremendously unhappy man.
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Caros posted:They apparently found one of the mods had posted Wehrmacht painted mechs in the past under an alt, and that a bunch more had defended similar paint schemes and 'clean wehrmacht' Nazi apologia, so it shouldn't have been too much of a surprise. Yeah that’s what made me permanently quit that sub. Someone putting SS decals on their ‘Mech and a mod refusing to remove it. Battletech has certainly not always been gay-friendly at all. It was a product of the 1980s so you have the Wolf’s Dragoons sourcebook telling an anecdote about a huge donnybrook starting between some WD troops and some McCarron’s guys because the former called the latter gay. I don’t recall any overtly LGBTQ content through the early 2000s when CBT was being run by a bunch of Bush-loving Republicans. I’m glad things have changed.
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Defiance Industries posted:This whole thing was enough of a shitshow to wake the founder of the subreddit. He opened it 15 years ago and hadn't posted in years, saw what was going on and fired all the mods. So Clan Wolverine came back and found out what the Clans were doing. Hell this seems to have happened multiple times in Battletech history. You could write a novel about that.
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Jun 5, 2023 02:26
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Carbolic posted:I don’t recall any overtly LGBTQ content through the early 2000s when CBT was being run by a bunch of Bush-loving Republicans. I’m glad things have changed.
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Jun 5, 2023 03:06
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I always got the impression that in the BattleTech universe, a lot of bigotry is largely dead. There can be a lot of classism (especially Clans and Capellan Confederation with their actual castes, and nobility and wealth matters a lot in most places too) and some sexism (Canopians and Draconis Combine, though I think that's been toned down a bit lately.) But when it comes down to it and everyone gets hosed up on nationalism and goes off to fight tragic wars over the greed and petty ambitions of dumb rear end in a top hat leaders, what really matters to most people is that you fly the right flag and shoot at the people who fly the wrong flag. Also speaking of the wrong flag, I just played a game with my SO who wanted to play Word of Blake so I had to find someone else to play. I was flipping through the record sheets for 3150 and found the CES-5D Caesar which instantly told me I was playing Federated Suns. Sure it's worth 3123 BV, but it has a decent set of Clan weapons, has near maximum Hardened (!) armor, Supercharger, TSM, and Talons. If it fires everything and runs in one turn it ends up at exactly 9 heat and on the next turn it has 9 MP with the Supercharger and 42 damage kicks. Just utter madness. I don't think I played it very well and only got in one kick (on an Archangel Dominus, which had exactly 42 armor on its legs so it didn't even get a crit check) but the fear of it worked to my advantage. I was able to park some of my 'mechs on high ground and take good shots at long range because it triggered my SO's "get that thing the gently caress away from me" reflex and the huge amount of armor allowed it to soak enough damage to kill two normal heavies, including two hits to the head that would normally be fatal and enough damage to the CT to core a 100 tonner. And by the end of the game it had been stopped by a destroyed leg, but was still on the ground taking shots with most of its weapons. I won, but I think not having to pay for C3i which stopped being useful after a couple turns of firing helped give me the edge. The couple of turns it worked really hurt but I got everyone up close and had covered the spotters in ECM in any case. My one ECM 'mech was the ENF-6NAIS Enforcer III which is also loving stupid in its own way (5/8/5, SNPPC, LVSPL, Targeting Computer, essentially a slower longer-range Wraith). I'd definitely take it and that Caesar again without a second thought.
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Jun 5, 2023 03:33
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Where did the Enforcer II go? Why is there an Enforcer and an 3fnorcer but no Enforcer the Second?
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Jun 5, 2023 03:54
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IIRC the Enforcer II is the Enfield, since they're made on the same chassis.
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The FedSuns just decided that the 3050 upgrade of the Enforcer was the Enforcer II, kinda like the Jagermech. The Templar is kiiiiinda similar, but they consider the Pendragon the Templar II and just skipped to III.
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Jun 5, 2023 04:03
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At the time TRO 3060 was published, there were only two Enforcer variants - the original 3025 one, and the upgraded 3050 one. I think the intent is that those were the I and II respectively. edit: I think the original Enforcer III is pretty solid - uAC/10s have always felt pretty good to me and I use them whenever I can. In the lasy game I got my uAC/10 fix with the WVR-9R which I've wanted to take out for a spin for a while. It wasn't the MVP the same way as the Caesar and Enforcer III but it performed fairly well. BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jun 5, 2023 |
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Jun 5, 2023 04:03
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It passes my XL check because it uses the weight reduction to go faster, which is what you should probably use it for. You can make a better Enforcer with more recent technology but it's not really fair to hold it against the design at the time.
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Played a game Saturday with my new WoB mechs. The Malak B and Preta B acquitted themselves admirably. The Seraph B had a good 2 turns and then caught a BB right to the cockpit, leaving a really majestic tower just standing there for the rest of the game. Good mechs. Plus a buddy gave me all his WoB mechs, so now I have most of the Celestial line.
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BattleMaster posted:I always got the impression that in the BattleTech universe, a lot of bigotry is largely dead.
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Arquinsiel posted:Going by the "legends" reading order I'm on book 5 and that's sadly not true. Trell in the Lyran Commonwealth is wildly sexist by 1980s standards, and the FedSuns are pretty fine with just assuming all Capellans are ethnically Chinese and using the relevant racial slurs. Any bigotry that exists now has largely been replaced by new national identity bigotry, and some surviving bigotry. For instance, the Draconis Combine suppresses any non state-sanctioned religions, like Judaism or Christianity. They murdered the entire NACC hiearchy when they claimed New Avalon in 3146. Fed Suns are actually justified with their hatred of the Combine since every time the Combine comes knocking they start doing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Crazy Joe Wilson fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jun 5, 2023 |
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Jun 5, 2023 17:03
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Lyrans got New Capetown, the apartheid South Africa planet.
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Jun 5, 2023 17:23
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Lyrans got New Capetown, the apartheid South Africa planet. That government did actually get overthrown once it was no longer topical. Now they hate the Clans, which makes total sense. Victor showed up and told them they were the REAL racists in true Victor fashion. Arquinsiel posted:Going by the "legends" reading order I'm on book 5 and that's sadly not true. Trell in the Lyran Commonwealth is wildly sexist by 1980s standards, and the FedSuns are pretty fine with just assuming all Capellans are ethnically Chinese and using the relevant racial slurs. It's not safe to speak Japanese in public in the Federated Suns. But then again, the FS is extremely backwards in a lot of ways, like how illiteracy is a serious social problem there.
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Beerdeer posted:Played a game Saturday with my new WoB mechs. The Malak B and Preta B acquitted themselves admirably. The Seraph B had a good 2 turns and then caught a BB right to the cockpit, leaving a really majestic tower just standing there for the rest of the game. Good mechs. Try Archangel Dominus and Preta Luminos next, they're my favorites
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Arquinsiel posted:Going by the "legends" reading order I'm on book 5 and that's sadly not true. Trell in the Lyran Commonwealth is wildly sexist by 1980s standards, and the FedSuns are pretty fine with just assuming all Capellans are ethnically Chinese and using the relevant racial slurs. I was thinking more about the recent standards of the fiction where they seem to avoid most -isms. Even Canopus got toned down in its sexism against men, where it started as seemingly a joke about feminism and eventually grew into something with a lot more nuance to it. The early BattleTech stuff was pretty wild especially as far as its depiction of anything Asian. The 1980s was essentially prime time for stupid "yellow peril" bullshit and that leaked into BattleTech.
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Defiance Industries posted:That government did actually get overthrown once it was no longer topical. Now they hate the Clans, which makes total sense. Victor showed up and told them they were the REAL racists in true Victor fashion.
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A king being subordinate to dukes because of dumb nomenclature and complicated systems of fealty is actually the most feudal thing ever and I wish Battletech kept that weirdness around. I really like the Grey Death trilogy and their strange settings.
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On the scale of a star empire I feel like you totally could have a King of a planet who is subordinate to the Duke who runs the region the planet is in. The great house probably doesn't care what the planetary leader calls themselves as long as they are loyal enough.
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I read a section of the new Elements of Treason book dealing with the Hell's Horses, and it made me do a full-on slap the table and say "THANK YOU" a la the Office meme. The main character of the story realizes that Trials of Position for Rank show who is the better WARRIOR, but not necessarily the best COMMANDER. They have a modified Trial in mind to determine the best two candidates in commanding at that level (through simulator battles to determine the two best commanders, with similar rosters, likely made of cadets), who would then have a normal trial for the position. Of course, Hell's Horses are a very traditionalist clan and between "What does it matter, if a poor commander takes the position, someone else will take the position away in another trial", "Simulator battles are forbidden to determine capability, only wasteful actual combat!" and "The Founder's words should be taken as absolute, change is forbidden".. Ugh. And it does show that Hell's Horses have absolutely stagnated. They still have a ton of Malvina Mongol Horde type followers too. Think things will get better for the Horses, but they'll get worse first.
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BattleMaster posted:On the scale of a star empire I feel like you totally could have a King of a planet who is subordinate to the Duke who runs the region the planet is in. The great house probably doesn't care what the planetary leader calls themselves as long as they are loyal enough. The only people who use the title "King" in the 31st century are deluded bandits who rule a big ol' pile of poo poo so you could probably use that if you wanted to write a local ruler who is completely oblivious to the fact people are making jack-off motions any time he talks.
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