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Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

More like merkin trees.

Edit: what a horrible snipe. Here's a picture of one if my cats as recompense.

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Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

happyhippy posted:

Companies realized it wasn't worth it.
If you are selling something for $20, you would want to get $20 in the end.
With butts, $20 worth could end up being worth $19 or $2 within minutes, all due to some assholes that had nothing to do with your company (Elon farting out a tweet for example).
Now times that $20 a few hundred thousand times like a Summer Sale in Valve.

Then you have the problem of converting it to $ to pay your employees, rent, electricity, etc, having to pay to just get it loving converted over instantly with random gas fees.

And with Bitcoin you have probably 90%+ of it being hoarded by complete idiots who think they will be instant billionaires if they just do nothing with it and wait for Elon to buy up the rest, other companies are extremely wary of it.

It was worse than that, I think Valve said they stopped taking it because half of all bitcoin payments were fraudulent.

The USD <-> bitcoin conversion doesn't matter if a majority of the transactions are fraudulent, that's such a legal headache.

No one wants to take payment in Crime Money.

Dial A For Awesome
May 23, 2009
As well as volatility in the exchange rate between bitcoins and dollars, there are also substantial transaction fees. Making a transaction on the blockchain itself can involve huge gas fees. To avoid these, you need to involve some sort of middleman who will take his cut (similar to the way bitcoin exchanges shuffle money between users’ accounts rather than recording it on the blockchain). In addition, the payment recipient then incurs extra costs to convert the bitcoin they receive into money they can actually use to pay their bills.

As a mass-market transaction mechanism, bitcoin is awful, which is why almost no one uses it to actually buy things.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day







MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

SettingSun posted:

Companies remembered that they already transact in an established currency and the people they would be attracting by accepting crypto were an astronomically small group and not worth the bother.

It's worse than "not worth the bother."

One of my fond memories of early bitcoin was a guy with a internet retail business, candles or soap maybe?, that got interested in Bitcoin so he added it as a payment option. Being a strangely competent small business owner he ran A/B tests to see how it impacted sales and simply having the bitcoin option available caused people to leave the site rather than complete the transaction. I don't think he ever got an order paid for with bitcoing.
Bitcoiners, predictably, melted the gently caress down.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

MisterOblivious posted:

It's worse than "not worth the bother."

One of my fond memories of early bitcoin was a guy with a internet retail business, candles or soap maybe?, that got interested in Bitcoin so he added it as a payment option. Being a strangely competent small business owner he ran A/B tests to see how it impacted sales and simply having the bitcoin option available caused people to leave the site rather than complete the transaction. I don't think he ever got an order paid for with bitcoing.
Bitcoiners, predictably, melted the gently caress down.

I believe it was soap. And, after getting no sales, when he removed the bitcoin payment option the bitcoiners doxxed him and sent him death threats.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Yep, Bitcoin self-selecting for incredibly toxic people with no self-awareness means they immediately poison the well of pretty much anything they actually try to do, and people who have a choice whether or not to engage with them usually don't.

istewart
Apr 13, 2005

Still contemplating why I didn't register here under a clever pseudonym

happyhippy posted:

You did have your hardcore believers at the start. That it was going to change the world. RON PAUL!

It's been mentioned many times before, but it's absolutely hilarious how a big chunk of the goldbugs went from, "gold is the only real money! Fiat money is just made up by the government!" to something even less substantial.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Chainclaw posted:

It was worse than that, I think Valve said they stopped taking it because half of all bitcoin payments were fraudulent.
That plus the extreme volatility at the time causing regular over/underpayments clogging up their support tickets. That was the reason they publicly gave for removing Bitcoin support.

The info about half the payments being tied to fraud in some form wasn’t made public until a year or two ago when they cited it as a reason for their ban on NFT games.

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

istewart posted:

It's been mentioned many times before, but it's absolutely hilarious how a big chunk of the goldbugs went from, "gold is the only real money! Fiat money is just made up by the government!" to something even less substantial.

One of the most successful bitcoin shops back in the early days was a goon that sold precious and semi-precious gems on bitcointalk. He had a name like "RockHound" with a dog AV and eventually opened an SA-Mart thread.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

istewart posted:

It's been mentioned many times before, but it's absolutely hilarious how a big chunk of the goldbugs went from, "gold is the only real money! Fiat money is just made up by the government!" to something even less substantial.

In those crypto circles I used to be in there was a distinct hatred for Peter Schiff (huge goldbug), yet they all would also buy gold.

Technomancer
May 7, 2007
For all your technomagical needs

Foxfire_ posted:

Merkle trees are used in lots of useful stuff (many filesystems, git, parts of https, ...) and have been for many years. They're a computationally efficient way to answer "Is this piece of data a valid part of a bigger set?" without having to have the entire set available. Bitcoin also uses them for establishing the content inside some individual block.

They're not at all related to the dumb proof-of-work / "hash random data until you find something sort of close to a target value" way blockchain links blocks together.
Yeah, true, I kinda mixed up Merkle trees themselves with proof of work. I don't think there is a storage technology capable of handling all the transactions made by the entire population in the way Bitcoin needs it. The only reason Bitcoin hasn't crashed yet is because almost no one uses it. If it ever become really popular, it will be a catastrophe.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
Remember they wanted the blockchain to be stored on satellites.
Going to shoot up server racks of memory to store my drug and illegal gun purchases for the rest of time.
Slowly filling up, 7 transactions a second.
Satellite full? Send up another.

Technomancer
May 7, 2007
For all your technomagical needs

MisterOblivious posted:

It's worse than "not worth the bother."

One of my fond memories of early bitcoin was a guy with a internet retail business, candles or soap maybe?, that got interested in Bitcoin so he added it as a payment option. Being a strangely competent small business owner he ran A/B tests to see how it impacted sales and simply having the bitcoin option available caused people to leave the site rather than complete the transaction. I don't think he ever got an order paid for with bitcoing.
Bitcoiners, predictably, melted the gently caress down.
Wasn't there a similar thing with the Wikimedia foundation? After many people asked, they decided to accept donations in crypto. Then they decided to stop because not only they just accounted for a minuscule amount of donations, it had a negative effect on the total number of donations made.

LordArgh
Mar 17, 2009

Nap Ghost
i seem to recall some porn sites deciding to stop accepting crypto after a while because it made them seem scummier by association, which drove away customers

Xir
Jul 31, 2007

I smell fan fiction...

LordArgh posted:

i seem to recall some porn sites deciding to stop accepting crypto after a while because it made them seem scummier by association, which drove away customers

When an industry known for trafficking and exploitation of people thinks crypto makes them look too scummy you know crypto has an image (reality?) problem.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Especially notable given porn sites notoriously have problems with most payment processors refusing to serve them and would be a use case for an alternative system of payment, but cryptocurrency doesn't actually do that.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat
still laughing about the one guy who was pretending to be a camgirl to shill bitcoins on some sex worker forum and got completely destroyed

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

Technomancer posted:

Wasn't there a similar thing with the Wikimedia foundation? After many people asked, they decided to accept donations in crypto. Then they decided to stop because not only they just accounted for a minuscule amount of donations, it had a negative effect on the total number of donations made.

it was especially good because wikipedia kept doing those "if everyone reading this page donated a dollar we'd reach our goals in a day" sort of ads, and bitcoiners kept yelling loudly that if they just accepted bitcoin they'd reach their goals in minutes, because bitcoiners are so incredibly generous you see.

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
There was also a pub in England I believe that accepted bitcoins for a time, and when after getting no usage from it they stopped Bitcoiners crawled out of the woodwork to yell about how they were THIS close to paying with bitcoin and they just lost so much business.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Foo Diddley posted:

still laughing about the one guy who was pretending to be a camgirl to shill bitcoins on some sex worker forum and got completely destroyed

I really need screenshots of this

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

VitalSigns posted:

I really need screenshots of this

aww...seems like the site is gone now. Used to be at https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?173251-Have-you-heard-of-this-new-currency-and-way-of-getting-paid-called-Bitcoins

drk
Jan 16, 2005
the internet archive has the thread: https://web.archive.org/web/2021122...called-Bitcoins

BrewingTea
Jun 2, 2004

Wasn't that the same guy who didn't know what #include meant? The "horse trader"?

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

BrewingTea posted:

Wasn't that the same guy who didn't know what #include meant? The "horse trader"?

No, #Include/80 year old horse trader who's grand son just told him about TF2 hats was Atlas. He changed his name, moved to french Canada, and became immortal.

One of the people that did the pretend to be a woman to convince camgirls to use bitcoins thing was Mircea Popescu, who is now dead:rip:

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Boxturret posted:

No, #Include/80 year old horse trader who's grand son just told him about TF2 hats was Atlas. He changed his name, moved to french Canada, and became immortal.

One of the people that did the pretend to be a woman to convince camgirls to use bitcoins thing was Mircea Popescu, who is now dead:rip:

Popescu also had a thread here in ask/tell

One of multiple prominent bitcoiners mysteriously drowned in the ocean.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


I strongly suspect that at least some of these dead bitcoin billionaires, potentially including Mr. poopscoop, faked their deaths to cash out and escape creditors/disgruntled criminal partners

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

I strongly suspect that at least some of these dead bitcoin billionaires, potentially including Mr. poopscoop, faked their deaths to cash out and escape creditors/disgruntled criminal partners

Now look, that one exchange owner who had a medial condition where he couldn't eat spicy foods going to India and dying of spicy foods was completely above board, nothing suspicious there.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Boxturret posted:

Now look, that one exchange owner who had a medial condition where he couldn't eat spicy foods going to India and dying of spicy foods was completely above board, nothing suspicious there.

I mean, I once ordered a meal at a local Indian place that was an "8" on their scale of spiciness and I felt like I was dying so Imma gonna mark this is myth as plausible.

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

Boxturret posted:

No, #Include/80 year old horse trader who's grand son just told him about TF2 hats was Atlas. He changed his name, moved to french Canada, and became immortal.

One of the people that did the pretend to be a woman to convince camgirls to use bitcoins thing was Mircea Popescu, who is now dead:rip:

I wonder if he ever got the help he needs. I had a friend go through the same trajectory as him. Both dudes were massive stoners sliding into schizophrenia and delusional about becoming the greatest guitar players in the world. At least my buddy could play guitar. Atlas just plucked random notes for hours a day. Somebody pretending to be bad at playing guitar probably couldn't convincingly fake "playing" as bad as he did.

Anyway, my old buddy got addicted to meth because he thought it helped him play guitar. Then he got his face broken in a bar fight which eventually lead to a heroin addiction. The last time I looked him up he was a homeless schizophrenic street preacher with a megaphone in Hollywood. Co-addicted to meth and heroin. He thinks that Nicola Tesla is God and that he is Nicola Tesla reincarnated. He's got a Facebook following of other insane conspiracy freaks. Kinda hard to keep track of all of his social media accounts but he was still alive and posting at least until this January.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




MisterOblivious posted:

One of the most successful bitcoin shops back in the early days was a goon that sold precious and semi-precious gems on bitcointalk. He had a name like "RockHound" with a dog AV and eventually opened an SA-Mart thread.

That was a goon. The gimmick on the bitcoin site was that his prices were all in bitcoin, not dollars-converted-to-bitcoin like most shops that accepted bitcoin. So a rock that was .2 bitcoin today would be .2 bitcoin tomorrow. An appeal to the true believers of the time who still thought of bitcoin as a useful currency.

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Boxturret posted:

No, #Include/80 year old horse trader who's grand son just told him about TF2 hats was Atlas. He changed his name, moved to french Canada, and became immortal.

One of the people that did the pretend to be a woman to convince camgirls to use bitcoins thing was Mircea Popescu, who is now dead:rip:

I'll always remember Atlas's videos where he recorded his attempts to do something called the uberman sleep system where he would sleep for thirty minutes every few hours and it would always go in the direction of his mom telling him to go to bed or having to sleep in the mcdonald's bathroom during breaks

I'd have to go back several years to find it but there was a time where he bought an account to defend himself in gbs and it didn't go well

zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Jun 5, 2023

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Remember that dude who tried turning .925 silver into .999 silver by adding a bunch of .999 shot to it and then stamped it .999

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Foo Diddley posted:

still laughing about the one guy who was pretending to be a camgirl to shill bitcoins on some sex worker forum and got completely destroyed

IIRC that was also the "I'm auditing the client, what does #include do?" guy

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Boxturret posted:

There was also a pub in England I believe that accepted bitcoins for a time, and when after getting no usage from it they stopped Bitcoiners crawled out of the woodwork to yell about how they were THIS close to paying with bitcoin and they just lost so much business.

Meze Grill was very misleading

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

shame on an IGA posted:

IIRC that was also the "I'm auditing the client, what does #include do?" guy

IIRC it wasn't an audit it was a religious style reading of the source code

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

zetamind2000 posted:

I'll always remember Atlas's videos where he recorded his attempts to do something called the uberman sleep system where he would sleep for thirty minutes every few hours and it would always go in the direction of his mom telling him to go to bed or having to sleep in the mcdonald's bathroom during breaks

I'd have to go back several years to find it but there was he bought an account to defend himself in gbs and it didn't go well

no it was better than that, someone here had a debate with him, meaning the guy posted posts directed at atlas here, then atlas posted responses in bitcoin talk, it was magical

the goon who did it was iirc something like gnarleyhotep?

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish
There was also the time the now dead guy offered to buy people accounts here so they could defend bitcoin, and the one person to take him up on the offer immediately just joined in on the bitcoin mocking once he got here

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
The Bitcointalk CosbyCoin thing/hack was brilliant. I don't remember how it was done.

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