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Also even if their reasons at the time were not explicity just racism I don't have very much faith in the upstanding moral character of people who take refuge in the kind of nostalgia the brexit brigade were pushing. If nigel farage standing in front of a billboard full of a line of people saying "this is all the immigrants and we have to keep them out" didn't put you off then there's something wrong with you whether or not at the time you were a dyed in the wool EDL member.
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I think one positive thing is that the longer this goes on, the more likely we get Mick Lynch's Brexit over Boris Johnson's, because Brexit was sold as oven ready and easy when it's actually going to be hard work. And if there's one thing that Mick can do a day of which terrifies Boris, it's that. Tesseraction posted:Easy to assume the billionaires don't care about saving money on energy bills. I went for a nice walk around Abbey Park in Leicester, via Beaumont Leys (50s council estate area). One thing that always strikes me is the number of solar panels on the roofs around there, and there were a few split system heat pumps as well as of recently (since Rishi made them VAT free). In the suburbs there's maybe two houses with solar and one with visible HVAC. In the villages there's none. That reminded me of that Nation of Shopkeepers book, which argues that Marx's petty bourgeoisie of artisans, shopkeepers, and clerks, rather than being crushed by industry and proletarianized as he predicted, ballooned to the largest class under the welfare state and later neoliberalism, with three distinct subclasses, the artisans became self-employed tradesmen who bought their old council houses, the shopkeepers became small business tyrants and the backbone of brexitrump and anti-lockdown, and the clerks became the professional-managerial class and a whole lot of what David Graeber termed bullshit jobs. Trades tend to be early adopters, they're the people who Dewalt, Milwaukee, and Makita compete for with the latest battery systems, and the first lot to install UPVC on their right to buys, while the Telegraph at the time was whining that it fell to bits in 10 minutes and would take £7,000 pounds off of the value of your house! So it makes absolute sense that this group would go in hard for solar, because similarly they can do the maths and it just makes sense to have it in the long run. It also makes absolute sense for the Telegraph to piss and moan about it, because they're angling at the other two groups, who are against heat pumps and solar because either "it's new and we never needed it before George Saurus invented climate change" or "but what if it devalues my house and it breaks and my neighbours don't talk to me because I got the wrong brand and they think I'm a pleb for having a Fujitsu?" That's the worried middle who will click on all the heat pump and solar clickbait that the Telegraph can poo poo out.
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Perhaps people who have money are also bad at thinking about saving it. My parents constantly whine about how expensive things are but they also spend stupid amounts of money renovating things in the house that don't need renovating but have at no point considered improving the windows, puting solar panels on, new boiler etc. They could afford it easily but apparently just don't think about it. Just mindless consumption of stupid poo poo and watching house flipping programs that give them more stupid loving ideas.
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https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1665418520992133120 The grift never ends.
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Guavanaut posted:Nigel Farage football stickers. Featuring Nigel Farage dressed as all your favourite footballers. The Bukayo Saka and Raheem Sterling ones have been specifically condemned by the SPLC. 
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I do not want to 👀 at nigel's twitter space he can keep that covered in public thank you very much. Actually that whole thing reads too much like an onlyfans.
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OwlFancier posted:I do not want to 👀 at nigel's twitter space he can keep that covered in public thank you very much. Exclusive 'behind' the 'scenes' content 
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does jeremy corbyn pay for twitter?
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It's possible he's one of the people that just have it anyway because twitter is broken. He does also have a pretty massive twitter following so maybe he just thinks it's useful.
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Jel Shaker posted:does jeremy corbyn pay for twitter? Twitter decided to give away some blue ticks to some notable people after everything, because Elon Musk is a cretin
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Jel Shaker posted:does jeremy corbyn pay for twitter? Apparently if you have over 1 million followers you automatically get a blue tick.
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Labour have a history of meeting terrorists. loving disgrace
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Can you hand the blue star back like an obe?
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happyhippy posted:https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1665418520992133120 Lmao
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Stop going on Twitter you fools
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OwlFancier posted:Perhaps people who have money are also bad at thinking about saving it. My parents constantly whine about how expensive things are but they also spend stupid amounts of money renovating things in the house that don't need renovating but have at no point considered improving the windows, puting solar panels on, new boiler etc. They could afford it easily but apparently just don't think about it. Just mindless consumption of stupid poo poo and watching house flipping programs that give them more stupid loving ideas. Coming from the my dad said so college of social research, but a lot of those solar installations in BL were apparently organically spread neighbour to neighbour, some being trades certified to fit their own, others just talking about "so are those panels any good?" "yeah they cut my bills in half, I can help you wire them up if you want" until there's streets where there's more with than not.  Personally I think it's both cool and a bit hilarious that the area that was a byword for 'chavvy and criminal' when I grew up there is now a high tech green energy exporter on a nice day like today, but as that book said there's sections of society that define their habitus mostly by blind reaction to others, so I'd bet there's parts of the suburbs that reject solar precisely because 'those people' embraced it. They wouldn't say it like that, but "oh doesn't it make the roof look tacky" and so on. That then tends to bleed into what the people producing aspirational renovation shows will even consider, as with UPVC doors and windows 20 years back. happyhippy posted:Labour have a history of meeting terrorists. 
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I have noticed the panels seem to cluster when I see them about so yeah I would buy that neighbours chat about them and that helps more people adopt them.
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Stop going on Twitter you fools I honestly never thought twitter could get worse, but you've got to hand it to Musk, if there's something you think can't possibly be hosed up any worse, his capacity to gently caress everything up is absolutely boundless.
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https://twitter.com/Hugh_Janus888/status/1665427144338558977
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wait is he starting an onlyfans?
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I'm in a conservation area so not allowed solar panels on the roof. The planning officer admitted if I just did it they would have to allow it though as they dont have the power to prevent it. which is a clear and helpful strategy to have adopted
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Stop going on Twitter you fools I need my fix of the dumbest poo poo I've ever seen.
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In this land of transphobia and idiocy the magic rectangle in my bag is reserved for things that are a respite from it not more of the same
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Nettle Soup posted:wait is he starting an onlyfans? Onlygams
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I'm too stupid for my t-shirt, too stupid for my t-shirt https://twitter.com/Marsh4LL1/status/1665447514256859138?s=20
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I'm in a conservation area so not allowed solar panels on the roof. The planning officer admitted if I just did it they would have to allow it though as they dont have the power to prevent it. which is a clear and helpful strategy to have adopted is the problem, i dunno, birds getting blinded? one presumes you're not putting a solar-thermal death laser on your house
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Google Jeb Bush posted:is the problem, i dunno, birds getting blinded? it doesnt look nice. There was a planning application down the road i looked at a while ago. they had permission approved to build a single house in the garden of another large house. But they had sold off that land and permission to someone else who was now trying to change the planning to be two semi detached houses that occupied essentially exactly the same footprint. The house opposite complained in writing for everyone to see that it was offensive to them that everytime they walked out their front door they'd have to look across the road and see semi detached houses and that wasnt in keeping with the village aesthetic. so yeah
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Maybe it's just because I never get enough sleep that I get very precious about the times when I am actually asleep, but I feel like dropping off a skip at 5:55am - with all the noise associated with such a task - is kind of cuntish behaviour.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I'm too stupid for my t-shirt, too stupid for my t-shirt I like how it’s been put in quotation marks as if it’s some important historic quote, rather than something some random loon said in the last couple of years
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Heartbreaking shots of true gammon misery here https://twitter.com/darren_dutton/status/1665468612407185408?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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Gonzo McFee posted:I need my fix of the dumbest poo poo I've ever seen.
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Nettle Soup posted:wait is he starting an onlyfans? Counting down until Farage bathwater, bottled sweat and subscribers only foot photos.
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smellmycheese posted:Heartbreaking shots of true gammon misery here Where's your Blitz Spirit now?!? 
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big scary monsters posted:It is but one of them died. Now this is how you start a week off right. Hahahahahahaha.
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Had a home energy assessment done recently. Basically recommended solar energy and water and air to water heat exchangers as the only possible improvements as all the windows and insulation are fine. This was the net summary of costs and payoff time.  I just can't justify it. If I was definitely going to stay here til I was 60, maybe, but It'd be 5 times longer than I've ever lived anywhere else as an adult. Plus I honestly have a poor opinion about solar water by itself. I paid for it in Spain and it basically meant in Summer you could have a boiling hot shower and in winter you had to use the electric backup to get a luke warm one. Great for doing laundry and dishwasher though. In combination with a heat pump I figure it would work great. It's really something that needs to be government funded entirely or done via a special interest free loan or something. I'm decently paid and stable and it's a hard sell, whereas it should just be a no brainer.
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Honestly the loving gall of it talking about the cost once house price is taken into account. Housing should not be the central loving commodity for gently caress's sake.
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Tesseraction posted:Honestly the loving gall of it talking about the cost once house price is taken into account. Housing should not be the central loving commodity for gently caress's sake. I don't know, if it helps people to feel like it's a good decision even if they're not set on staying in their current home for 20 years it's probably a good thing, the more people we get chucking solar on their roofs the better (I'd like to do ours but we're probably moving in two years if not sooner so it'd be an expensive way to help the planet.)
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The wall is over there I know. I wish when you got a mortgage you could take out extra to renovate/rework and do all the energy modernisation.
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I guess my problem is that the structure of the economy is such that houses are constantly being bought and sold rather than you leaving school/uni, do a job for a bit and then buy the house you'll use until you retire. Maybe I'm just bitter because I'm priced out of buying a house that isn't clearly someone's garage with a window painted on the side.
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