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Black August posted:jesus christ. it had BETTER have VR Chat access at this level of bullshit VRChat mentioned that they were actively rebuilding a bunch of stuff to allow running on iOS, and suddenly that makes way more sense if that was just a side effect of getting it to where it can run on this thing.
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sitting at a desk is so boring. Wouldn't you like to look at spreadsheets standing in your kitchen instead?
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Jun 5, 2023 20:05
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lmao they had the guy look down and at least he had feet big loving dig at zuck
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The price tag plus the presentation doesn't feel like a product aimed for your average consumer/VR hobbyist, and more like something business with too much money to buy for their WFH employees.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:06
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jason3232 posted:The price tag plus the presentation doesn't feel like a product aimed for your average consumer/VR hobbyist, and more like something business with too much money to buy for their WFH employees. Which is how the Quest Pro was angled, and it flopped hard. Save us Quest 3, you're our only hope!
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Jun 5, 2023 20:07
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jason3232 posted:The price tag plus the presentation doesn't feel like a product aimed for your average consumer/VR hobbyist, and more like something business with too much money to buy for their WFH employees. The title of the presentation is "worldwide developer conference"
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jason3232 posted:The price tag plus the presentation doesn't feel like a product aimed for your average consumer/VR hobbyist, and more like something business with too much money to buy for their WFH employees. The Quest Pro was also supposed to be that but it doesn't sound like that did too well at $1500, this is over twice that and doesn't even have PCVR gaming as a fallback like the Quest does.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:07
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Opinion: Most of what presented was a iPad (all their apps, their integration into the Apple ecosystem) + Quest 2 with higher screen resolution and better audio (browsing, multi task windows around, 3d movies, using it on a plane, using it as a big rear end tv, even the feature that shows the real world if someone enters your Guardian, etc). Only for $3499. Ultimately, they have the same problem as everyone: lack of compelling software. The Disney app looked like something it could be in Quest 2 too. Someone make a funny sentence to put in the thread title.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:08
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jason3232 posted:The price tag plus the presentation doesn't feel like a product aimed for your average consumer/VR hobbyist, and more like something business with too much money to buy for their WFH employees. You mean like the holo lens? That didn't turn out so well, and most of the workforce is on windows I'd imagine, not apple, so this is even more of a hard sell to businesses.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:09
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Turin Turambar posted:Opinion: Yeah. My only hope is that Apple will lure in the masses of developers. The space needs more quality content.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:10
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Just getting on the bus with my $3499 glasses, should be fine
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Jun 5, 2023 20:10
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Still didn't announce the freaking fov. Bleh
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Jun 5, 2023 20:10
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It also felt from what I saw that it was being pitched as kind of a alternative to a MacBook Pro which it is not. At all.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:10
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it was literally just a quest 2 with apple polish minus any actually compelling software (e.g. games) again, that'll be a uh large lol with an extra large side of lmao
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Jun 5, 2023 20:12
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Won't even be that great as a monitor replacement if you're looking through binoculars the whole time
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Jun 5, 2023 20:12
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jason3232 posted:The price tag plus the presentation doesn't feel like a product aimed for your average consumer/VR hobbyist, and more like something business with too much money to buy for their WFH employees. that's the first obvious stab, powerful office tool junk for businesses to blow money on for VR/AI teams or whatever, as well as a rich man's entertainment system. train the thing on the initial small batch of buyer's to get better hand data and etc etc to slim it into visors and eventually AR glasses you can sell as phone upgrades
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chird posted:Just getting on the bus with my $3499 glasses, should be fine From the apple thread: Hughmoris posted:If you wear this in public, I feel like you're just asking to get punched in the face and having it snatched off your head. Especially for $3500.
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Hadlock posted:Lightning is trash technology gated by weird licensing bullshit. Next year (maybe this year?) they'll drop it on the iPhone due to Euro cable restrictions (creates twice as much cable trash) this year and my wife and I can stop having two cars and two charging technologies in the car and house. Her stupid phone is the only device in the house that uses dumb lightning cables Thats your fault for not being more like your smart wife.
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Turin Turambar posted:Opinion: strong agree i think until they crack 5000x5000 or maybe even 6000x6000 and figure out how to drive that in each eye at 90+ fps it's just going to be a novelty playing gamecube grade games I don't think I saw a single original idea except the front display that shows your eyes which is, I guess good for marketing, but doesn't matter to the person wearing it in their living room alone
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chird posted:Just getting on the bus with my $3499 glasses, should be fine with a convenient way for bystanders to know if you're at all aware of your surroundings! what could POSSIBLY go wrong!
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Jun 5, 2023 20:12
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Turin Turambar posted:Opinion: The complete lack of actual VR games in the presentation, even simple demoing-a-specific-feature ones, is just weird. I wonder if that's a strategy thing to try and avoid "Apple can't into game" talk, or if they genuinely haven't figured out how to square it with their no-controllers stance.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:13
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marumaru posted:with a convenient way for bystanders to know if you're at all aware of your surroundings! what could POSSIBLY go wrong! They need a security mode, where the Eyes stay on and track whomever is in front.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:13
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MarcusSA posted:The title of the presentation is "worldwide developer conference" We knew from the start that this thing was going to be more for developers and professionals, that's was the initial rumor a pair of years ago in fact. Even knowing that, I was surprised by the price tag.
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Turin Turambar posted:We knew from the start that this thing was going to be more for developers and professionals, that's was the initial rumor a pair of years ago in fact. Even knowing that, I was surprised by the price tag. I'm most surprised by a launch 6+ months out.
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Gonna take the Quest Pro on my flight to San Diego tomorrow just to see how many times it gets mistaken for this Apple thing.
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Jun 5, 2023 20:14
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also: every 3D render they had (like, not a video or something) had super low res textures. i wonder if this thing simply cant run games. the dinosaur scene was particularly poo poo
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Jun 5, 2023 20:15
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sitting here thinking about future headsets for kids where Mickey the AI mouse with full magic animation is dancing around talking to the kid 24/7 like an imaginary friend parasite that never has to go away (unless you stop paying the monthly sub)
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Black August posted:that's the first obvious stab, powerful office tool junk for businesses to blow money on for VR/AI teams or whatever, as well as a rich man's entertainment system. train the thing on the initial small batch of buyer's to get better hand data and etc etc to slim it into visors and eventually AR glasses you can sell as phone upgrades Except the Quest Pro failure kinda showed businesses would rather just spend money on cheap monitors and computers.
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Leathal posted:Gonna take the Quest Pro on my flight to San Diego tomorrow just to see how many times it gets mistaken for this Apple thing. but will the battery last long enough?
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Jun 5, 2023 20:15
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I think that announcement just made the Quest lineup look a lot more appealing.
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marumaru posted:but will the battery last long enough? Yes but only if dude is flying from Los Angeles to San Diego
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Jun 5, 2023 20:16
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njsykora posted:Except the Quest Pro failure kinda showed businesses would rather just spend money on cheap monitors and computers. oh no believe me I'm not saying anywhere that this is going to succeed or that it makes sense, I'm just guessing at the track of Apple's intentions contrasted against how VR is being siderailed by AI in the last half year
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Roadie posted:The complete lack of actual VR games in the presentation, even simple demoing-a-specific-feature ones, is just weird. I wonder if that's a strategy thing to try and avoid "Apple can't into game" talk, or if they genuinely haven't figured out how to square it with their no-controllers stance. You are right, a correction. It's an iPad + Quest 2 with better hardware but without games and without 6dof controllers. BTW, the 'personas' 3d avatars shown looked decent, but not as good as the ones that Meta has in research. Then again the ones from Meta are not in a final consumer product so Apple wins.
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njsykora posted:It also felt from what I saw that it was being pitched as kind of a alternative to a MacBook Pro which it is not. I immediately think of upper management types and execs who never need to go outside the boundary of App Store apps, and for whom a nominal productivity upgrade that's also a personal movie theater and is "cool" because Apple makes for an appealing business expense.
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Hughmoris posted:They need a security mode, where the Eyes stay on and track whomever is in front. my eyes are UP HERE
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jason3232 posted:The price tag plus the presentation doesn't feel like a product aimed for your average consumer/VR hobbyist, and more like something business with too much money to buy for their WFH employees. But FB/Meta already tried this with the Quest Pro and it was met with a 33% price cut in a short period of time. If Meta can't con people into buying these Zoom/Teams headsets at $1k each, I don't understand how the hell Apple is gonna do it at $3,500 + tax each. That's close to $3,800/unit when all is said and done, unless you happen to live in an area with fairly low sales tax rates. I feel like any reasonable business would rather spend that money on 2-3 decent Dell laptops instead, but I've only worked in one business that was Mac-centric. They sold hardware for Macs before Apple started soldering everything or using proprietary connectors and, unsurprisingly, do not exist anymore. Maybe I am underestimating the amount of Apple devoted worldwide, but it really feels like it is going to be the biggest tech flop of the past two decades. It's so ridiculously out there that people quickly gave up criticizing the $7,000 Mac Pro (base model btw--max 192GB now-unified RAM [we want to solder it and make sure you can't buy anything except our overpriced RAM] compared to the ~1.5TB max of the models released 3-4 years ago) in less than an hour. That might be a new record, given how much poo poo has been thrown towards them by professionals for their treatment of the Mac Pro line after 2012. e:b of course
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MarcusSA posted:Yes but only if dude is flying from Los Angeles to San Diego Portland to San Diego, so I only need to bring one extra external battery  Pretty lol that the tethered Apple headset seems to have, at best, equivalent battery life to the Quest Pro. Get pucked, idiots
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It feels a lot like a device that was conceived when everyone was expecting work from home to go much longer and productivity was something they’d want to use the VR headset they bought to stave off lockdown cabin fever for. Then by the time it actually got to the point where headset sales were hard tanking and the Quest Pro showed no-one wants to do spreadsheets in VR it was too far along to drop.
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