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CelticPredator posted:I found it disgusting and offensive If what I saw on Twitter is true The Flash movie outdid it but yeah I don't care who signed off on it or gave their blessing in an era of "remember this???" Harold Ramis ghost was (at the time) the nadir.
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Alan_Shore posted:That's a great analysis that I've never heard before but sums up GB quite nicely! It also really handily explains why each of the sequels had to start from a position where pretty much everyone else has forgotten or dismissed the events of the previous films even though they were extremely newsworthy and unforgettable - the juxtaposition underpinning Ghostbusters just doesn't work otherwise. It's really really unlikely that Phoebe had never heard anything at all about her Grandfather's exploits in NYC in 1984 even accidentally but but it was pretty important thematically for that to be the case. It'll be interesting to see how GB4 handles that aspect
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It also really handily explains why each of the sequels had to start from a position where pretty much everyone else has forgotten or dismissed the events of the previous films even though they were extremely newsworthy and unforgettable - the juxtaposition underpinning Ghostbusters just doesn't work otherwise. It's really really unlikely that Phoebe had never heard anything at all about her Grandfather's exploits in NYC in 1984 even accidentally but but it was pretty important thematically for that to be the case. Granted they didn't go this route with Afterlife, but I could see something like the 1984 events being dismissed as some of kind of conspiracy. (See: 9/11 Truthers, or hell, a couple years ago/today regarding COVID). Maybe they touched on the idea of the general public not believing the events of Ghostbusters in Ghostbusters II, I don't remember. It's such a common problem in media where the original is like an underdog story and/or uncovering some big truth. Once the underdog is no longer the underdog and/or the truth is uncovered, where do you go from there in a sequel?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Ghostbusters is one of those films where the main characters (plus Louis) are living in a comedy but everyone else is in a dead serious disaster film, a large percentage of the funny moments happen when these normal sensible people have to deal with the GBs' bizarre nonsense. And that works amazingly well and is an absolute classic recipe for a hilarious movie ....... but if you make a sequel where the hook is that all those zany characters are missing for almost the entire runtime and a bunch of regular folk have to piece together the mystery and hold out long enough for the joke patrol to finally turn up then that's going to hit really differently. Winston’s comedy comes from his reacting like a normal, sane character would to the behavior of these three zany people to their circumstances. “Ray, if someone asks if you’re a god…” is both hilarious and what you’d say to a group spokesperson who, when faced with a world-destroying entity, responds like a comedy character. If the situation permitted, you can imagine Ray responding “You want me to lie just because the world is ending?” Arguably, the failings of the 2016 movie center around a stronger mismatch between the “we’re in a comedy” characters clashing with “we’re in a disaster flick,” because at no point does that Ghostbusters team feel like they’re a mismatch for the movie they’re in. Too few people are “playing it straight.” Conversely, I’d argue Afterlife handles things by crossing a different set of streams, one of which could be termed “nostalgia comedy,” mixed with the school comedy genre, mixed again with a disaster film but this time with far more owed to something like Paranormal Activity than the big world-ending movies of the 70s. Unsurprisingly, big fans of the original wanted “nostalgia comedy” a lot more than Ferris Bueller’s Day Ghostbusting, and thus discount the brand of comedy that dominates most of the movie. But the basic structures are there, though arguably in ways that don’t mesh as well as the simpler structures of the first two GB films. This model is also interesting with GB 2. You could argue that Janosz is played for comedy, but at the same time, he fits neatly into a horror henchman trope (going back to Renfield in the 1931 Dracula) and what he does gets contrasted with his genre attitude. He’s notionally funny, but it’s more on the level of the creepy clown or madman than a character who fits into a comedy about a bunch of has-beens trying to make a comeback.
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Groovelord Neato posted:If what I saw on Twitter is true The Flash movie outdid it but yeah I don't care who signed off on it or gave their blessing in an era of "remember this???" Harold Ramis ghost was (at the time) the nadir. I think the reason ramis feels weirder to me than what the flash does is simply that ghostbusters is silly and fun and it being something that produces this just eludes me  This is the vibe I got
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What did the Flash do? Not reshoot everything involving Ezra Miller?
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:What did the Flash do? Deepfake Christopher Reeve Superman
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Groovelord Neato posted:Deepfake Christopher Reeve Superman gently caress offfffffff. I was expecting that or Adam West when you said that and it still pisses me off.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Deepfake Christopher Reeve Superman Jfc, really? Wow.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Deepfake Christopher Reeve Superman  Please tell me that Zod doesn't snap his neck
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Every DC movie since The Dark Knight has been, at best, a B-. How long until they bring back Ledger? You know they've talked about it. Edit: Correction: The Lego Batman Movie was a B+. deoju fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jun 5, 2023 |
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The Lego Batman movie is the best Batman movie, with ‘The Batman’ being a close second.
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ImpAtom posted:gently caress offfffffff. Adam West Batman has been rumored for the past few months and I don't know if it made it in but I saw someone on twitter who said they were so pissed off about what I posted they spoiled it.
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Xenomrph posted:The Lego Batman movie is the best Batman movie, with ‘The Batman’ being a close second. Neither of those are Mask of the Phantasm
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Groovelord Neato posted:Adam West Batman has been rumored for the past few months and I don't know if it made it in but I saw someone on twitter who said they were so pissed off about what I posted they spoiled it. Yeah, I’ve seen that rumour too. Basically everyone gets a look in, allegedly. Chris Reeves, Helen Slater, George Reeves (with an appropriate era-looking Jay Garrick) Adam West, 90s TV Flash… but no Grant Gustin
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Timby posted:It shouldn't loving be a franchise. poo poo, I'm one of the five people who thinks Ghostbusters 2 is brilliant and that Afterlife is really the only truly bad movie or show in the whole franchise, but even I agree with you. The Merkinman posted:It's such a common problem in media where the original is like an underdog story and/or uncovering some big truth. Once the underdog is no longer the underdog and/or the truth is uncovered, where do you go from there in a sequel? I still say that poo poo was brilliant. ImpAtom posted:Neither of those are Mask of the Phantasm
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lol wtf is this? Goodbye Egon....have fun in ghost jail.
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banned from Starbucks posted:lol wtf is this?
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LividLiquid posted:You have nobody give a poo poo five years later and have the heroes working birthday parties where even the kids would rather see He-Man. One of the kids at the party tells Ray "My dad says you guys are full of crap and that's why you went out of business" and when they're packing up afterwards Winston mentions they were sued by every state, county and city agency in New York, when Venkman is confronted by the mayor's aide at the TV station he mentions that they got "stiffed on the bill" by the city after the Gozer incident and the aide calls them two bit frauds and publicity hounds, during the court hearing after they dig up the street it's mentioned that they're under a judicial restraining order which strictly forbids them from "performing services as paranormal investigators or eliminators" and during the sentencing the judge says "There's no place for fakes, charlatans or tricksters like you in decent society! You play on the gullibility of innocent people!" Everyone thinks they faked everything that happened in '84 and the city sued them for damages and banned them from ghostbusting Edit: I'm still salty that Winston got left out of the big action scene at the court house with the Scoleri brothers. He's chatting with them before the hearing starts and then he disappears for a while and then he reappears sitting right behind the others for a shot or two but then he disappears again and is just gone Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Jun 6, 2023 |
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One of the best parts of the 2016 film is all the cover ups the city officials have to do "Thank you for sorting this... ALL THESE WOMEN ARE MAD, it's like they read eat, pray love and ran with it" Can't think of one funny line in afterlife, is there even one that doesn't involve the original cast?
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LividLiquid posted:Ghostbusters 2 is brilliant I'll bite. In what way is it brilliant? It's a soulless, beat-for-beat remake of the original. - The guys are out on their luck and everyone thinks they're full of poo poo. - The guys get a lead. - The guys make a bust. Venkman emerges from twin doors and makes a triumphant pronouncement. - Montage! - Venkman woos Dana while the other Ghostbusters are trying to suss out the mystery. Dana gets scared by the big bad monster and goes to Venkman for help. - Through trials and tribulations, the Ghostbusters get in trouble and they get taken to the Mayor. - Montage! - Eventually the Mayor sides with them and the city is cheering for them. - Giant monster stomp-asses through Manhattan. - The guys eventually blow the big bad monster away. - Venkman and Dana kiss. - Theme song / credits. It isn't minute-for-minute, but it sure as hell is a beat-for-beat remake, and the fact that no one besides Aykroyd actually wanted to make it is painfully obvious in the writing, the performances and the direction. Murray has always been vocal about how miserable he was during the shoot, and prior to their passing, both Ramis and Reitman declined to speak about the movie in interviews, because they were so unhappy with it. Grave Centipede posted:Can't think of one funny line in afterlife, is there even one that doesn't involve the original cast? I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I do remember feeling that Ray saying "Egon Spengler can rot in hell" felt grossly out of character. Timby fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Jun 6, 2023 |
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I guess one other reason that the beginning of GB2 feels so miserable and disappointing is that it the Real Ghostbusters cartoon series had been running for several years at that point and it showed us an alternative version of how their lives turned out after the events of '84: they're still regularly busting ghosts and saving people and they've become beloved local celebrities who are invited to take part in the big Thanksgiving Parade and similar events.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:
Wasn't there something in the novelization that said he was dealing with people outside of the courtroom and even caught a ghost there?
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GB2 is a soulless remake of 1 but it does have some good laughs and scarier than the first one. Always worth throwing on
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Narsham posted:Arguably, the failings of the 2016 movie center around a stronger mismatch between the “we’re in a comedy” characters clashing with “we’re in a disaster flick,” because at no point does that Ghostbusters team feel like they’re a mismatch for the movie they’re in. Too few people are “playing it straight.” One thing that's been mentioned and worth mentioning again is that the 2016 crew - with a slight exception for Patty, briefly - are never scared of what's going on which does help 'this is a comedy but there are disaster movie stakes.'
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Timby posted:I'll bite. In what way is it brilliant? It's a soulless, beat-for-beat remake of the original. I mean the bottom line is that GB2 has a ton of great talents in it that are fun to watch even in a retread. I can't help but have fun watching Moranis and Potts play off each other, and the addition of Peter MacNicol was an amazing piece of casting. And that's before you get into anything the actual leads are doing, even if you say Murray was sleepwalking through there are still plenty of great comedy moments with Ramis and Aykroyd. So I dunno there's only so much I can criticize it when it's packed with people I love to see do what they do.
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On my last re-watch of GB2, and I probably made this point pages back, was that it was noticeable how the middle part of the film rushes from set piece to set piece and doesn't let the movie just settle before increasing the stakes as if everyone involved wasn't entirely convinced that the general plot of the movie was strong enough. Contrast to the first one where there's a lull post catching Slimer to Dana getting attacked in her apartment, and then the threat level of gozer is slowly increased up until the containment unit blows up. At least that's how I saw it
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ImpAtom posted:GB2 is worth it entirely for the Rick Moranis Lawyer scene Moranis and MacNicol are the MVPs. They should have made a movie just about the two of them being weird. Not even as Louis and Janosz, just the two of them playing off each other with whatever weirdo character ideas they have.
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One of the things that bugs me about GB2 is how most of it inexplicably takes place on the same day (New Year's Eve). The night before (I assume), Dana comes over to Peter's house because of the slime. Peter calls Egon and Ray, who go to investigate likely that night. From my recollection (and of course some of these events overlap), on New Years Eve: - Dana cleans Peter's apt (he tells her that they're going out tonight. Is this the first and only time Janine's last name is used in either movie? - the photos catch on fire (was this the night before?) - (did they visit the museum that day?) - Ray, Egon, and Winston delve into the subway, Winston falls in - Dana and Peter go on their date - Janosz kidnaps Oscar - the guys meet the mayor - Jack commits them to Parkview or whatever it's called - Dana goes to get Oscar, is trapped. Waits with Janosz for what seems like hours - Louis/Sherman bust the guys out & Jack is fired - the guys try their proton packs on the slime - they rig and slime THE ENTIRE STATUE OF LIBERTY - they pilot it to the museum, fight Vigo, and win around the stroke of midnight. That is one tight schedule.
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You're missing that whole first part where Dana goes to Egon about what happened with Oscar's carriage, then the Ghostbusters dig down and find the river of slime and cause the blackout, then end up getting arrested and you have the court scene. That's like two extra days.
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Basebf555 posted:You're missing that whole first part where Dana goes to Egon about what happened with Oscar's carriage, then the Ghostbusters dig down and find the river of slime and cause the blackout, then end up getting arrested and you have the court scene. That's like two extra days. That wasn't the point of my post. The point was that most of the stuff that happens, does so on NYE. Obviously not the whole movie, but a shockingly large portion of it.
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It does make GB2 a great New Years Eve movie, that's typically when I watch it.
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I should clarify that the only reason it 'bugs' me is that it seems impossible how so many things can occur in what's probably less than 24 hours. I have no issue with it actually be set on and around NYE. The first movie had some crazy compressed time shenanigans going on, too.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:The first movie had some crazy compressed time shenanigans going on, too. It's got some sneakily disguised timeskips as well, but I'm pretty sure almost no one would notice until it's pointed out to them
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Moranis and MacNicol are the MVPs. They should have made a movie just about the two of them being weird. Not even as Louis and Janosz, just the two of them playing off each other with whatever weirdo character ideas they have. MacNicol does add a lot of quotability to the movie. "Why am I drippings with goo?"
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Timby posted:I'll bite. In what way is it brilliant? It's a soulless, beat-for-beat remake of the original. So, again, it probably shouldn't have been made, nor any of what we got in theaters after it, but I still think it's a really great flick.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Ghostbusters is one of those films where the main characters (plus Louis) are living in a comedy but everyone else is in a dead serious disaster film… I don’t agree with this, because I think lots of people are flippant, jaded assholes in the GB universe. I view the original as an irreverent piss-take of HP Lovecraft. There are inscrutable elder gods, a cold and indifferent universe full of forces that can end civilization, but instead of collapsing into despair, the people of New York are too busy and cynical to give a gently caress. It’s not just the Ghostbusters themselves, it’s everyone. The Mayor cares way more about the next election than the rising tide of the undead. Businessmen need to get to Lincoln Center, the ConEd dude doesn’t want to get sued, the cops resent this Fed telling them what to do. The literal apocalypse doesn’t change the fact Winston’s gotta get paid. Everyone’s kind of in on the joke, in that sense. “I’ll take the next one.” “I gotta get my own lawyer…”
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