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dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
Also Employer-abuse is some next level poo poo in other countries (and even in the US!), so he might be sincere when he says that this is a step up in QOL.

Glad you got out Covok.

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Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
I did a great interview today. It has great benefits and decent pay, 10 minute commute, and the place looked nice. One downside: it's 9 to 6 with a 1 hour lunch break. Anyone know what that's like? My old jobs were "9 to 5 but 50-60 hour weeks for 3 months" and "9 to 5 but no lunch break." I did get decent lunch breaks at the "60+ hour for 3 months a year job" but that was during the off season to compensate for the overwork. Anyone who worked such a schedule have an opinion?

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
I work that schedule right now in a remote role. Luckily my manager has always been clear that that’s my time so I literally close the computer and then spend an hour having lunch and/or loving around.

I also get to take my lunch whenever which means I can finish any open tasks and then take a full hour when I’m ready to take advantage of it.

I can 100% see how in a less congenial environment and/or with a fixed lunch time it can easily become a stress source because your work won’t always line up neatly with that time, and if you end up working through your lunch hour you’re essentially working for free.

Also, a lovely manager will 100% try to be all “you need to be flexible and get your stuff done no matter what” or ping you constantly during lunch.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Covok posted:

I did a great interview today. It has great benefits and decent pay, 10 minute commute, and the place looked nice. One downside: it's 9 to 6 with a 1 hour lunch break. Anyone know what that's like? My old jobs were "9 to 5 but 50-60 hour weeks for 3 months" and "9 to 5 but no lunch break." I did get decent lunch breaks at the "60+ hour for 3 months a year job" but that was during the off season to compensate for the overwork. Anyone who worked such a schedule have an opinion?

Is it strict that, like punchcards, or is that just the rough idea? Can you come in earlier and leave earlier?

Officially every job I've had is "Work 9 hours with a 1 hour lunch break". In practice, its whatever. WFH I usually work like 7:45-4:15ish and then another check in around 6 or 7ish, but I take a bunch of breaks too, well above an hour. Its a salary job.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
I have no idea if there are punchcards, but I'd say it isn't gonna be hyper strict. He mentioned that culture is important, asked me about my hobbies, mentioned he likes using the gym nextdoor, and said they sometimes like getting beers after work in the bar that the office complex has. So I doubt its hyper strict.

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
How do you do 8 hours with no lunch break?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

ben shapino posted:

How do you do 8 hours with no lunch break?

I'm not there anymore, am I?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
Okay, I've been drinking so let me give you a less glib answer.

At the Big 4 and as a manager at a tax accounting firm, you get in the zone. So much is happening every day that you just don't care. You held in your poo poo for 3+ hours? I've done that. And you just dont3care. You didn't eat for 9 hours? You don't care. You didn't have lunch? You don't care. Because there is so much work and so many peoppe rely on you that your body stops bothering. I am serious about holding in my poop for hours a5 a tax manager job as well as skipping dinner for months. You are so absorbed with getting the mever ending treadmill of work done that you just don't care. You catch. You are work Saturday anr sometimes Sunday. If you take a moment to care, itall falls apart and you can't sleep.

Then, you spend the rest of the year recovering. I originally didn't do lunch breaks on the off season but by the end of my tenure there I was taking 1 hour days and work from home days where I did nothing except respond to interviews.

As for my industry job, they fed us so we never got a break. We just kept working for 8 hours and lefy at 5 on the dot. At first it was nice, but I got sick of it fast. I would eat at my desk in 10 minutes and just keep working.

elise the great
May 1, 2012

You do not have to be good. You only have to let the soft animal of your body love what it loves.
Got a silly question but nowhere else to ask it. I’ve posted in here before about my career path, but I managed to do some fixing where I was (nurse supervisor) and made things better for myself and my staff. However, I am BURNT OUT AS gently caress and I’m now hearing that my 44 current direct reports (!!!) will be expanded to 62 by fall. I’ve hit an impasse trying to negotiate for better structure and I think the issue is that the org itself has horrible leadership culture and wants to play Lean Staffing in a healthcare environment.

I was looking into project management, but I keep hearing that nurses jumping into PM are a dime a dozen and it’s becoming a flooded field.

I desperately want to either work remote or find a job that will allow me flexible hours (starting between 9-9:30 instead of 6-7 like most of nursing). I have a 5yo and am not in a place to go back to school, although I’m very good at tests and studying and don’t mind doing shorter classes or online cert work. I’m fuckin great at writing (tech, content, and creative) and I’m told I’m a very good manager/leader, although it’s NOT easy at my current ratio.

My question is— HOWWWW do people find new careers? I’ve been scraping LinkedIn and job sites, but I don’t even know what I’m really looking for. I just want a career that uses my best skills and doesn’t leave me too exhausted and overwhelmed to function.

Schmeichy
Apr 22, 2007

2spooky4u


Smellrose

elise the great posted:

Got a silly question but nowhere else to ask it. I’ve posted in here before about my career path, but I managed to do some fixing where I was (nurse supervisor) and made things better for myself and my staff. However, I am BURNT OUT AS gently caress and I’m now hearing that my 44 current direct reports (!!!) will be expanded to 62 by fall. I’ve hit an impasse trying to negotiate for better structure and I think the issue is that the org itself has horrible leadership culture and wants to play Lean Staffing in a healthcare environment.

I was looking into project management, but I keep hearing that nurses jumping into PM are a dime a dozen and it’s becoming a flooded field.

I desperately want to either work remote or find a job that will allow me flexible hours (starting between 9-9:30 instead of 6-7 like most of nursing). I have a 5yo and am not in a place to go back to school, although I’m very good at tests and studying and don’t mind doing shorter classes or online cert work. I’m fuckin great at writing (tech, content, and creative) and I’m told I’m a very good manager/leader, although it’s NOT easy at my current ratio.

My question is— HOWWWW do people find new careers? I’ve been scraping LinkedIn and job sites, but I don’t even know what I’m really looking for. I just want a career that uses my best skills and doesn’t leave me too exhausted and overwhelmed to function.

Have you considered research? I work with a lot of burnt out nurses who transitioned to research staff, and there are a lot of positions where your nursing experience is a big plus.

elise the great
May 1, 2012

You do not have to be good. You only have to let the soft animal of your body love what it loves.
That’s a solid idea, worth researching what kinds of jobs there are for nurses!

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Covok posted:

Okay, I've been drinking so let me give you a less glib answer.

At the Big 4 and as a manager at a tax accounting firm, you get in the zone. So much is happening every day that you just don't care. You held in your poo poo for 3+ hours? I've done that. And you just dont3care. You didn't eat for 9 hours? You don't care. You didn't have lunch? You don't care. Because there is so much work and so many peoppe rely on you that your body stops bothering. I am serious about holding in my poop for hours a5 a tax manager job as well as skipping dinner for months. You are so absorbed with getting the mever ending treadmill of work done that you just don't care. You catch. You are work Saturday anr sometimes Sunday. If you take a moment to care, itall falls apart and you can't sleep.

Just hearing this stresses me out. I’m on the consulting side and I work so much less than our audit and tax teams, while also getting paid more and not needing to get a CPA. It’s hosed.

At least the salaries in tax and audit corrected a bunch during covid.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
Huh?


Nap Ghost

elise the great posted:

Got a silly question but nowhere else to ask it. I’ve posted in here before about my career path, but I managed to do some fixing where I was (nurse supervisor) and made things better for myself and my staff. However, I am BURNT OUT AS gently caress and I’m now hearing that my 44 current direct reports (!!!) will be expanded to 62 by fall. I’ve hit an impasse trying to negotiate for better structure and I think the issue is that the org itself has horrible leadership culture and wants to play Lean Staffing in a healthcare environment.

I was looking into project management, but I keep hearing that nurses jumping into PM are a dime a dozen and it’s becoming a flooded field.

I desperately want to either work remote or find a job that will allow me flexible hours (starting between 9-9:30 instead of 6-7 like most of nursing). I have a 5yo and am not in a place to go back to school, although I’m very good at tests and studying and don’t mind doing shorter classes or online cert work. I’m fuckin great at writing (tech, content, and creative) and I’m told I’m a very good manager/leader, although it’s NOT easy at my current ratio.

My question is— HOWWWW do people find new careers? I’ve been scraping LinkedIn and job sites, but I don’t even know what I’m really looking for. I just want a career that uses my best skills and doesn’t leave me too exhausted and overwhelmed to function.

See if your State's Medicaid Fraud Control Unit is hiring nurses for their investigative teams. That's a pretty sweet gig if you can land it. It's an 8 to 5, union, pension type of government job.

elise the great
May 1, 2012

You do not have to be good. You only have to let the soft animal of your body love what it loves.
Oh that’s an awesome idea! I refuse to work for insurance companies for obvious reasons but Medicaid fraud actively hurts patients, so it’s right up my alley

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Jordan7hm posted:

Just hearing this stresses me out. I’m on the consulting side and I work so much less than our audit and tax teams, while also getting paid more and not needing to get a CPA. It’s hosed.

At least the salaries in tax and audit corrected a bunch during covid.

This is why there is so, so few of us and literally every job interview has been something like "we downsized and are finding it near impossible to upsize back" or "we have a small team and we are trying to build but we're struggling." Accountants are necessary for every business, but we have had record low enrollment since 2012 and mass exodus from retirements in 2020. AI cannot pass the CPA exam and the "you'll all be computers" myth has played out and lost. The only thing that myth really did is convince people not to go into the field. Instead of making us accept less pay, it's given us the vehicle to demand more and the entire industry is kind of burning down as boomers poop their diapers and gnash their teeth as they refuse to raise pay and benefits and work/life balance.

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud
Signed up for the 15 day free trail for Coursera "Google IT Support Professional Certificate". Is that something I could put on my resume to start in that field? Or are they seen as kind of worthless?

e:

quote:

Did you know? The Google IT Support Professional Certificate prepares you for the industry-standard CompTIA A+ Certification.
Should I get the CompTIA A+?

I've been out of work for 6 months. I work in banking compliance (5-10 years experience), and there just aren't much jobs out there. I saw some lower level tech support jobs pay about the same as the previous jobs I've had ($75-90k). Thinking about switching careers.

Am I wasting my time?

Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jun 5, 2023

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
I was in a similar situation last year and had the same idea as you so here’s my takeaways, for whatever they’re worth:

1) Certs without actual coding experience and a portfolio/GitHub to back it up won’t do poo poo.

2) If you’re going down that road a Bootcamp might help you cover your experience gap a bit but it’s not a guarantee of anything and you’re still aiming for entry level jobs and competing with CS students and recent tech layoffs.

3) This one is personal but if you’re over 30 y/o old and with that much experience I would make an effort to identify an area within your field that is more in demand and get certs on that.

To give an example, I’m a foreign attorney with 10 years of experience but no US JD so I ended up taking some Project and Contract Management courses. Did I dream of becoming essentially a paralegal? Not really, but I needed a job and didn’t have the money or frankly the inclination to get an LLM. Those courses made me conversant in the jargon and resources that made me stand out in interviews, and from there I could leverage my existing experience.

All this for 1/3 the cost of the Bootcamp, and with less time commitment, which is a big deal when you’re also job searching full time.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Fozzy The Bear posted:

Signed up for the 15 day free trail for Coursera "Google IT Support Professional Certificate". Is that something I could put on my resume to start in that field? Or are they seen as kind of worthless?

e:

Should I get the CompTIA A+?

I've been out of work for 6 months. I work in banking compliance (5-10 years experience), and there just aren't much jobs out there. I saw some lower level tech support jobs pay about the same as the previous jobs I've had ($75-90k). Thinking about switching careers.

Am I wasting my time?

I would be frankly really surprised if there are low-level support jobs that needed nothing more than an A+ cert and no job experience paying $35-$45 an hour. Aren't you an analyst in compliance? A non-programming IT path is probably not going to be a better path at this point. Do you have some specific jobs your targeting that you can share here?

Fozzy The Bear
Dec 11, 1999

Nothing much, watching the game, drinking a bud

Lockback posted:

I would be frankly really surprised if there are low-level support jobs that needed nothing more than an A+ cert and no job experience paying $35-$45 an hour. Aren't you an analyst in compliance? A non-programming IT path is probably not going to be a better path at this point. Do you have some specific jobs your targeting that you can share here?

For the past 6 years I've been doing Anti-money laundering/Bank Secrecy Act work for financial institutions (AML BSA Analyst/Specialist). Before that I was a loan processor at a bank for a number of years. I'm in the SF Bay Area.
Age: I'm in my low 40's. Jobs have completely dried up in 2023.

There are some certs in my field that I haven't taken, I guess I should bite the bullet and pay the $2,500+. :(

e: also looking at Fraud Analyst jobs

Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jun 5, 2023

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Ok, then you might find low level tech support at that pay rate but that would be very specific to bay area. I would still maybe steer you away from that as a career at this point though.

Again, if you had some jobs you were looking at we could speak more toward the path.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
Unsure of the best path forward for me and hoping for some advice. Background is I worked in a pharma qc dept for 8ish years, LIMS admin for 2 years, then jumped companies to a biotech as a LIMS /product analyst. I've got a strong amount of regulatory/FDA/21CFR part 11 knowledge/experience and my career has been in pharma and now biotech. I'm now working as the manager of the product analyst department at a medium (500 people) at the new startup biotech company, with the majority of the work my dept does focusing on delivering and supporting the LIMS (laboratory information management system) software the company is developing. It is a huge complex piece of software, running a LOT of different automation and integrated instruments for an extremely complex assay (7 days, ~15 unique steps). Larger dept/working structure is a vertical to my sr manager, who also has the technical product manager (TPM) reporting to them for this software. I work closely with the TPM to ensure new features/projects are supported, requirements gathered, validation documentation created and executed, SOPs drafted/updated, and users trained then supported when features go live. Because of all this + the fact that the TPM is fairly introverted, I am the face of this software throughout the company and have a decent amount of political capital/credit among higher ups. For the last year I manage 5 direct reports, 2 I consider fairly experienced, 2 mid experienced and 1 junior with the title to go with it. The TPM has been at the company longer than me and is doing a good job, with some fair frustrations due to workload some of which is self inflicted, and is a bit less experienced in corporate politics/workstyle than me.

The TPM has been been making noise to our manger about updating their resume/being dissatisfied and could be quitting in 1-2 months. My manager has approached me about what I want my career trajectory to be, and I've got a solid enough track record to have weight in the decision of what to do if the TPM does leave. Part of this is that I, or one other specific person on my team are the only people in the company who could conceivably take on the TPM role and succeed/keep everything on track given very high visibility company goals for this year. Bringing in a new hire is possible, but would be a real risk to top level company goals and company goals vs competitive landscape. What I'm not sure about, is how much I should value a jump to TPM from analyst manager. It is a much more broadly applicable title in the tech world, and depending on how the restructure goes I could conceivably keep managing the analyst group and do TPM at the same time. If that were to happen, I would need a supervisor over the analyst group to agree to it. So I could move one analyst to TPM, myself to TPM + analyst manager with a new analyst supervisor to offload some of the work onto, or get a new hire in the TPM role stay where I am. I'm not sure what's best in terms of long term upward trajectory.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
I can't really say if moving to TPM is the right idea or not, but doing a TPM + running an analyst team seems like suicide, and really the kind of thing you can only fail at. Success will just be assumed.

I'd focus on one or the other.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Lockback posted:

I can't really say if moving to TPM is the right idea or not, but doing a TPM + running an analyst team seems like suicide, and really the kind of thing you can only fail at. Success will just be assumed.

I'd focus on one or the other.

+1

If you promote someone to TPM does that make you a manager in product over there?

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
Good feedback, I was Sunnyside looking at what the best case scenario might be, not necessarily how it would actually go. And if my direct report becomes Tpm they would transfer to the existing manager, who I have a close / good relationship with.

Seraphiel
Mar 29, 2012
Looong story short, but at a COMPLETE loss. [LONG].

Before ANYONE cared, I took a BSc (Hons) degree in Cognitive Science (which had a strong focus on Cognitive Neuroscience (later being re-branded as such)) and then a MSc in Cognitive Computing (Artificial Intelligence).

Since I couldn't then afford a PhD, I took any old job at an internet cafe (remember those?) in London - which lead to me running an Angel Investment Network for a number of years, that the boss also ran.

As a result, I ended up working in and leading a number of incubators, accelerators, innovation ecosystems for the next ten or so years, taking various positions and consultancies - and helping people fundraise (equity, VC, etc) or with their marketing, strategy, etc.

I've recently been screwed out of a contractual payment, 2% of equity for a fundraise that they're not honouring - and I definitely don't have the funds to fight it (to make matter worse, they didn't yet complete their raise, but only close to it). I'm looking to take them to court, but it's expensive!

Now I'm looking for my next gig, but can't find ANYTHING - especially ironic given the huge AI hype going on (the MSc was more around the philosophical limits of AI, with very little coding ability) and I've never been so broke.

My question now, I suppose, is it finally time to call it quits? I've been doing this for approx. 15 years, with very little to show for it. Unlike the U.S, the low pay in startupland here in the UK often doesn't come with equity, so I've been so broke for so long, I would love to pursue something different - the supposedly valuable network and connections have left me utterly bereft, particularly with this impending lawsuit!

Before, my strength very much used to be in calling upon my network, but with that dissipating over time, and connections/access being easier than ever, I have absolutely no idea what else to do! Assume I have no coding or tech skills whatsoever (not quite true, but may as well be).

I recently read Kate Beaton's 'Ducks' (she of 'Hark a Vagrant fame; hard recommend) and feel like I'm in the same boat. If I was 20-ish, I'd do something similar!

Except I'm in my mid-thirties, and have a life/commitments that screen towards a remote (or at the very least hybrid) job.

Tears in the rain; time to die?

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Seraphiel posted:

Looong story short, but at a COMPLETE loss. [LONG].

Before ANYONE cared, I took a BSc (Hons) degree in Cognitive Science (which had a strong focus on Cognitive Neuroscience (later being re-branded as such)) and then a MSc in Cognitive Computing (Artificial Intelligence).

Since I couldn't then afford a PhD, I took any old job at an internet cafe (remember those?) in London - which lead to me running an Angel Investment Network for a number of years, that the boss also ran.

As a result, I ended up working in and leading a number of incubators, accelerators, innovation ecosystems for the next ten or so years, taking various positions and consultancies - and helping people fundraise (equity, VC, etc) or with their marketing, strategy, etc.

I've recently been screwed out of a contractual payment, 2% of equity for a fundraise that they're not honouring - and I definitely don't have the funds to fight it (to make matter worse, they didn't yet complete their raise, but only close to it). I'm looking to take them to court, but it's expensive!

Now I'm looking for my next gig, but can't find ANYTHING - especially ironic given the huge AI hype going on (the MSc was more around the philosophical limits of AI, with very little coding ability) and I've never been so broke.

My question now, I suppose, is it finally time to call it quits? I've been doing this for approx. 15 years, with very little to show for it. Unlike the U.S, the low pay in startupland here in the UK often doesn't come with equity, so I've been so broke for so long, I would love to pursue something different - the supposedly valuable network and connections have left me utterly bereft, particularly with this impending lawsuit!

Before, my strength very much used to be in calling upon my network, but with that dissipating over time, and connections/access being easier than ever, I have absolutely no idea what else to do! Assume I have no coding or tech skills whatsoever (not quite true, but may as well be).

I recently read Kate Beaton's 'Ducks' (she of 'Hark a Vagrant fame; hard recommend) and feel like I'm in the same boat. If I was 20-ish, I'd do something similar!

Except I'm in my mid-thirties, and have a life/commitments that screen towards a remote (or at the very least hybrid) job.

Tears in the rain; time to die?

Have you considered running for local government?

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

Seraphiel posted:

Looong story short, but at a COMPLETE loss. [LONG].

This may be stating the obvious but: If you have a degree in Artificial Intelligence, even without existing coding skills, perhaps you could brush up on some modern AI stuff to pivot into an individual contributor role for some application of AI in the tech world? It's the scorching hot buzzword of the moment, but who knows if it will remain that way if it will take years to train to this point (though I think it is less likely the bottom will fall out as it did with crypto/nfts/metaverses/etc). They could see the degree and just roll with it.

Or is this "Artificial Intelligence" different than the modern computer concept of genetic algorithms, NEAT, and local maxima?

Thumbtacks
Apr 3, 2013
Currently training for a storage position, same exact job but different company. Bit concerned though, I the interview I was promised that when I finish my stuff I’ll have time to just do “whatever I want” and that seems to not be accurate at all. I’ll wait it out a bit longer but I do not have high hopes (and do not appreciate being clearly lied to in an interview).

I’m decent at Excel and I know some basic scripting and macros and stuff so I feel like I can probably find a remote job, if it pays more than $15 an hour it’s probably worth it. I’ve spent the last several years doing some web scraping and data entry and stuff so maybe I can do something like that? I know banks and logistics companies always need people for stuff like this, athough I’d prefer something where I don’t have to call people a lot. Any ideas?

Improper Umlaut
Jun 8, 2009

At the end of June, I was laid off from my ad agency job as a digital production (motion graphics) guy. I had almost 15 years there. To give you an idea, George W Bush was still President when I started.

Since that time, both media and technology have made enormous strides. The work I was doing was not extensively hard. Very basic display ads and social videos.

On the side, I did a lot of pro-bono and contract work for local political groups, making and placing ads on social media, print, etc., and muddling my way through some basic marketing. This stuff was a little more complex but still not at the level as others in my field.

So I'm finding myself at 45, considering a mid-career transition.

I was in the middle of Bookshop, a local LA-based portfolio school. But I would still have a couple of years before I would be job-ready (art director or copywriter).

In the shorter term, I was considering a boot camp to pick up UI/UX or marketing skills. Both seem like they would interface well with my existing skills, and both are reasonably in demand, even in a contracting job market. And if I were to return to Bookshop and complete that program, both skills would be an asset.

My biggest concern is my age. I would hate to go through either program and hit an insurmountable wall when it comes to getting hired. Some industries just favor younger people.

Am I too old to transition into marketing or UI?

I'm also interested in hearing about the potential for upward mobility. One of the issues with being a production artist is that there is no room for growth. You pick up new skills, but outside of getting the word "senior" added to your title there isn't a career track.

Will I hit the same issue with being a UI/UX person?

Finally, I'm interested in hearing general insights from anyone in those fields. What is your day like? Do you enjoy what you do? etc.

Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

I got an interesting situation: I was in IT from 2003-2010 doing basic helpdesk stuff while I wrapped up my degrees in something else. Spend 2011 running a computer lab, and 2012 to 2015 at a major university creating quotes for internet fiber builds (basically how much stuff cost, how much markup, etc.) before falling into a Helpdesk Manager job in 2015-2018 for an engineering college. Got laid off there because politics at the time really destroyed foreign student enrollment, and spent 2019 in a 'SOC-like organization' that really soured me on Computer Security as a whole.

Off work for two years due to Covid, and now I'm in a job that supports a specialized software package for organizations. The money is good compared to what I've had before, but I'm 45 as of a few weeks ago and am wondering if I can do better in life financially. I'm kinda pondering a MBA but have my reservations about being a manager again. I'm pondering maybe going back into Information Technology but haven't really done any real computer touching since 2010. So, my question is...how do I find out what tech careers exist out there now? Tech has changed a lot since then, and I'd like to see what there is and if I can do it. I really don't want to go back to Community College and rack up more student loan debt, plus I find a lot of the colleges around me today pander to the newest stuff and don't offer a real grasp on what there is as opposed to what they can make bank on.

So, any advice? Where do I go from here to figure out if tech still offers anything I like? I'm a bit beyond the helpdesk stage, honestly.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Go look at job openings and requirements, see what sounds interesting and think about what it would take to get to those spots?

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?
Do you have a LinkedIn profile? If not, create one and enter your work history and education into it, then look at the jobs part of the website. It has a feature where it will suggest job openings it guesses you might be a fit for. It's kinda hit and miss but it might give you a better idea of what's out there or some inspiration about what you might like to go do?

Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

bee posted:

Do you have a LinkedIn profile? If not, create one and enter your work history and education into it, then look at the jobs part of the website. It has a feature where it will suggest job openings it guesses you might be a fit for. It's kinda hit and miss but it might give you a better idea of what's out there or some inspiration about what you might like to go do?

Sounds like a plan, honestly. But is there a way to have a LinkedIn but make it private? I'd rather not let my current gig know I have one.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Pretty much everyone is on LinkedIn nowadays. It's not a signal that you're looking for a job.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
You can change visibility but yeah, if your an active employee chances are you have a LinkedIn. Your boss almost certainly has one.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Many companies encourage people to have LinkedIn. Helps them recruit prospect market etc

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

feeling pretty good these last couple weeks. there’s basically nobody in my life I’d feel comfortable talking this positively about myself to but here goes, internet:
out of college got my series 7 and 63 and was a broker for a while, hated it immediately and the pay was complete poo poo. all the real trading is done by algorithms so being a broker now, and probably for several years before I showed up, has basically been like working an extremely stressful drive thru window where you’re just taking orders and saying thanks have a nice day.

i still liked working in capital markets & with money but I didn’t want to take any of the next natural career steps—team leads (series 24) had to study on their own time, made maybe 20k more than I do at a generous estimate and worked much harder with much more risk exposure with an extreme promotion bottleneck after. wealth managers/FCs were completely miserable and for the most part feckless dipshits so I knew I didn’t wanna do that. i decided I’d like to work with the data and algorithms driving actual investing decisions, but oops I studied economics and became a stockbroker. insert “that little maneuver is gonna cost us 27 years” meme.

it didn’t cost 27 years, it cost six, but I’m glad I did it the way I did. I had a plan and it worked out pretty well—deepen my finance skillset and develop attractive technical skills.
From the general brokerage side I moved up to Derivatives & HNW/high revenue clients, with extremely lovely hours, lived in a studio apartment walking distance from work but drove anyway. noon to 9 pm. awful! but I learned a lot. from there I moved up to a position on a team that handled longer term issues and a lot of submitting bug reports and troubleshooting, with the hope of eventually moving to Operations. This worked, after another year I got an ops job. usually not where you want to end up at a brokerage, at least not as a final destination, but i took every opportunity there I could to develop transferable skills like Salesforce, SQL, Tableau, etc. and signed up to do very lovely labor intensive reports and automated them!
they laid me off after I onboarded the new India office. (definitely saw that coming over a period of about 18 months)I had an interview scheduled with a fintech company pretty much immediately. what they liked in addition to my trading background and project management skills was that offsite onboarding. ive been in this new position for a couple weeks in a Data Analyst role and i loving love it, it’s exactly where I want to be. I always said if I didn’t get into data/tech by the time I was 30 I’d give up and go into sales and I’m so loving glad I gave myself an extra year and a half. Old job gave me a fat severance, new job pays double and treats me like a human being. the work is interesting and my colleagues are sharp.

the first several years out of college were pretty rough. I was unhappy pretty much all the time, not confident in myself or what I was doing, especially those last few months in Ops as it became increasingly stultifying once I offloaded all of my responsibilities.

I could have gone a few different ways
1) give up entirely on finance, get any job at any tech firm and work up from there. no guarantee you get promoted anywhere meaningful out of IT which is about all I’d be qualified for.
2) go through the normal finance career path and try to find happiness. lol. everyone who did that becomes overweight, bald, in a hurry, and rude. there’s about 60 team leads and about 12 manager spots. the FCs were always stressed and often just straight up lied or otherwise hosed things up to get more AUM. I hated them and every time they talked about breaking the law to “win the business” I wanted to kill my self. “It would really help us win the business if the customer didn’t have to sign the W9.” uuuugh. idiots.
3) go back to school. I tried taking a few classes on Udemy but the work I was doing was too draining. serious props to anyone who does this while working a real job. I couldn’t do anything when I got home or in the morning except the basics.
4) move over, over, then finally up and over. Noted dumbass Scott Adams did have one insightful post about building your personal “stack.” There weren’t a lot of brokers who had moved to Ops or vice versa. I was one of the only people in the building who could describe a stop limit on quote, an iron condor, a relational database, API calls, Salesforce mapping, robotic process automation, ChexSystems and Bloomberg terminal. None of that stuff is particularly advanced, but it’s such a wide range of skills that something in that stack is likely to be impressive to somebody.

anyway there’s not much of a point to this other than I love where I’m at and hate where I was, if this is you, not only is there hope but you’re getting closer to where you want to be every day.

Ghislaine of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jul 23, 2023

MechaSeinfeld
Jan 2, 2008


This might be the wrong spot but w/e it’ll probably help me to at least write out what I’m thinking instead of just mulling it. I got myself a bachelors in mass comm (lol) and a masters in publishing and editing. Not using either at the moment. Worked a fair bit doing digital communications roles and it was a mixed bag. Mostly negative: workload was hosed, a bunch of unpaid overtime, and sitting at a desk for hours at a time was bogus. I was ultimately let go from my last digital comms job, which felt awful at the time and has made me apprehensive about working in that environment again

So I hosed off and did hospo work and it’s basically perfect. I love the work, I’m good at it and I’m not at a desk. The one aspect that’s starting to grate on me is that it’s got a lot of unpaid overtime and the actual pay is incredibly low, it’s a small business and business has been going average. (touching a bunch of meat and using gas stoves isn’t my favourite part either). I’m pretty used to being broke and I usually don’t care, but it’s starting to get a little difficult to live fully and it’s getting tough to reconcile at 31.

Do I go and skill up and go back to doing desk/office work which I did not like but paid well, stick with a job that I love but is impacting my ability to live, or the third option which I am leaning towards is to go into a different trade (strongly considering horticulture/landscaping fwiw).

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?

MechaSeinfeld posted:


Do I go and skill up and go back to doing desk/office work which I did not like but paid well, stick with a job that I love but is impacting my ability to live, or the third option which I am leaning towards is to go into a different trade (strongly considering horticulture/landscaping fwiw).

Personally, I would look around at other hospo jobs if it's what I enjoyed. Surely there are other ones out there with more pay, I mean hospitality is a huge industry so maybe look around for something better?

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Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

A bunch of my friends are getting burned out in their professions. Different friends in their mid thirties who have been in tech for a decade have been telling them that they could totally make the jump to coding. And make $$$ in relatively short time.

Is this plausible anymore? I am skeptical that a mid thirties person who only had a few coursera certificates and maybe a dozen little projects on their GitHub could meaningfully compete with new CS college kids or more experienced programmers who were in the recent layoffs.

Seems like the gold rush of anybody being able to get a tech job for massive money is over?

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