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Deki posted:The peak of Irony would be if China's hypersonics are just as poo poo as Russia's (apparently they worked pretty closely together on their respective missile programs), and this ended up with America having a new toy purpose built to gently caress with the Navy China's trying to build it's the MiG-25 all over again! 
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Jun 7, 2023 04:33
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The commander of the joint forces of Ukraine, Sergiy Naev said that the flooding of the territories after the emergency at Kakhovka HPP will not interfere with the offensive of the Ukrainian troops (not actually from this flooding, just a joke about ukrainian troops stealing flooded out tanks like they did with the tractors. the statement from Naev is real though)
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Jun 7, 2023 04:34
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Deki posted:The peak of Irony would be if China's hypersonics are just as poo poo as Russia's (apparently they worked pretty closely together on their respective missile programs), and this ended up with America having a new toy purpose built to gently caress with the Navy China's trying to build  We can always dust off this old classic if that comes to pass.
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Jun 7, 2023 04:53
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i've read that the soviet model tanks were designed to be capable of snorkeling across the bottoms of shallow rivers. this seems like something that neither side would even bother trying if any river or stream with the necessary accessibility were to be found
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Jun 7, 2023 05:19
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Zippy the Bummer posted:i've read that the soviet model tanks were designed to be capable of snorkeling across the bottoms of shallow rivers. this seems like something that neither side would even bother trying if any river or stream with the necessary accessibility were to be found the snorkels were notoriously bad and in trials using them for amphibious crossings resulted in lots of drowned tankers because even when the snorkels worked, the loving crew compartments weren't watertight lol
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Jun 7, 2023 05:23
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Zippy the Bummer posted:i've read that the soviet model tanks were designed to be capable of snorkeling across the bottoms of shallow rivers. this seems like something that neither side would even bother trying if any river or stream with the necessary accessibility were to be found many modern tanks have this capability, but something has probably gone terribly wrong if you are actually trying to use it
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Jun 7, 2023 05:24
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tiaz posted:many modern tanks have this capability, but something has probably gone terribly wrong if you are actually trying to use it The issue can often be worked around by shooting the lieutenant.
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Jun 7, 2023 05:26
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Not only did Russian army not evacuate its troops, it didnt even tip off the defenders because it would've alerted the Ukrainians to what they were going to do 
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Jun 7, 2023 05:35
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HonorableTB posted:the snorkels were notoriously bad and in trials using them for amphibious crossings resulted in lots of drowned tankers because even when the snorkels worked, the loving crew compartments weren't watertight lol Would you want to be the one testing if that shoddily made Soviet coffin is waterproof? TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 05:35
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Lol that prigozhin is becoming a poster. No doubt competing with girkin for saltiest dog online fighting for Russia
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Jun 7, 2023 05:35
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 5d chess once again!  Maybe the tankies will find a sock commonly worn by ever-uhh, us special forces?
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Jun 7, 2023 05:36
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TulliusCicero posted:Would you want to be the testing if that shoddily made Soviet coffin is waterproof? quote:All modern Soviet/Russian tanks since the 1960s (such as the T-55, T-72, T-90) may deep ford. Russian snorkels are only a few inches wide; they may be carried by tanks and erected in minutes. Underwater crossings are unpopular with crews as escape is impossible through such small snorkels; a stuck or disabled tank must be towed back to the surface before the crew can exit. Large diameter snorkels are often used in exercises for safety. lol now that you mention it, no
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Jun 7, 2023 05:37
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HonorableTB posted:the snorkels were notoriously bad and in trials using them for amphibious crossings resulted in lots of drowned tankers because even when the snorkels worked, the loving crew compartments weren't watertight lol you mean to say that the method for hermetically sealing the tanks, which had been constructed to do that, did not work, letting in water that drowned the crew because their small scuba kits that had been constructed, delivered to supply, sent through the logistical chain, and issued to the tankers prior to the crossing attempt, did not properly function?
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Jun 7, 2023 05:38
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Zippy the Bummer posted:you mean to say that the method for hermetically sealing the tanks, which had been constructed to do that, did not work, letting in water that drowned the crew because their small scuba kits that had been constructed, delivered to supply, sent through the logistical chain, and issued to the tankers prior to the crossing attempt, did not properly function? the aristocrats! (yes, precisely). The reason for this is that Soviet tanks often had much larger manufacturing tolerances compared to western tanks. As long as enough of them worked well enough the Soviet design bureaus and procurement bureaucracy were okay with accepting abysmal failure rates on the aggregate under the thought that any war against NATO would need to be wrapped up within a week or the nukes would fly so zerg rushing with large amounts of overall shittier tanks but getting to the Rhine in a week was worth drowning 30% of your tanker crews trying to actually ford the Rhine itself. This was flawed strategic thinking for many reasons as you can surmise (not least because the same Soviet doctrine that they followed which dictated this also started off hostilities with a pre-emptive series of tactical nuclear strikes in West and East Germany to clear the way to the Fulda Gap invading from Poland which would have triggered MAD immediately anyway) HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 05:41
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HonorableTB posted:the aristocrats! (yes, precisely). The reason for this is that Soviet tanks often had much larger manufacturing tolerances compared to western tanks. As long as enough of them worked well enough the Soviet design bureaus and procurement bureaucracy were okay with accepting abysmal failure rates on the aggregate under the thought that any war against NATO would need to be wrapped up within a week or the nukes would fly so zerg rushing with large amounts of overall shittier tanks but getting to the Rhine in a week was worth drowning 30% of your tanker crews trying to actually ford the Rhine itself. This was flawed strategic thinking for many reasons as you can surmise (not least because the same Soviet doctrine that they followed which dictated this also started off hostilities with a pre-emptive series of tactical nuclear strikes in West and East Germany to clear the way to the Fulda Gap invading from Poland which would have triggered MAD immediately anyway) Gallant uses his nuclear arsenal to perform oil exploration and construct shipping lanes for civilian purposes in Alaska. Goofus uses his nuclear arsenal to annihilate everything between his forces and the Fulda Gap, triggering the end of the world. makes u think
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Jun 7, 2023 05:49
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tiaz posted:Gallant uses his nuclear arsenal to perform oil exploration and construct shipping lanes for civilian purposes in Alaska. you may or may not be surprised to learn that in 2010 when the Deepwater Horizon oil rig broke and spilled a bajillion barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico, Russia offered legitimate assistance to the United States about how to shut the oil well down by way of advising the detonation of a small yield nuclear weapon at the wellhead to seal it off because that's what they do when they have the same problem and Obama's reaction was essentially 
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Jun 7, 2023 05:50
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HonorableTB posted:Not only did Russian army not evacuate its troops, it didnt even tip off the defenders because it would've alerted the Ukrainians to what they were going to do Lends credence to the idea Russia was trying to flood enough to stop a cross river attack, not a major biblical level flood that would gently caress themselves even worse.
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Jun 7, 2023 05:51
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HonorableTB posted:you may or may not be surprised to learn that in 2010 when the Deepwater Horizon oil rig broke and spilled a bajillion barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico, Russia offered legitimate assistance to the United States about how to shut the oil well down by way of advising the detonation of a small yield nuclear weapon at the wellhead to seal it off because that's what they do when they have the same problem and Obama's reaction was essentially I reserve all of my surprise with regards to Deepwater Horizon for the fact that one of the shears on the blowout preventer was wired backwards, but also its battery died due to a totally separate wiring fault, allowing the redundant successfully powered motor to actuate without fighting the backwards-wired motor. Not that it prevented the disaster as intended despite that "two failures make a success" serendipity. I'll leave it there since this isn't the OSHA thread but my god, strong recommend for the USCSB youtube video on the subject, it's all the way down
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Jun 7, 2023 05:56
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HonorableTB posted:Not only did Russian army not evacuate its troops, it didnt even tip off the defenders because it would've alerted the Ukrainians to what they were going to do Sucks to suck, occupiers.
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Jun 7, 2023 05:57
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tiaz posted:I reserve all of my surprise with regards to Deepwater Horizon for the fact that one of the shears on the blowout preventer was wired backwards, but also its battery died due to a totally separate wiring fault, allowing the redundant successfully powered motor to actuate without fighting the backwards-wired motor. Not that it prevented the disaster as intended despite that "two failures make a success" serendipity. Ooh I love OSHA related things, wanna know what else was installed backwards? (unmanned rocket, no injuries) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLnNc_0TnXA This Russian rocket was carrying a payload of GLONASS satellites to add to the Roscosmos constellation. However, the technicians, when assembling the rocket, took a look at the critical angularity velocity sensors, tried to install them, couldn't install them, and then took a hammer to BEAT THEM INTO PLACE UPSIDE DOWN since they couldn't be installed "normally" (because..they were upside down..) This caused the rocket to think it was actually upside down when it WASN'T, and because as we all know guided missiles know where they are because the missile knows where it ISN'T, the rocket promptly spun around in mid-air and flew nose-first into the ground 32 seconds after liftoff.
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Jun 7, 2023 05:59
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1666306424434032643 Russian air defense scored another own goal.
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Jun 7, 2023 06:05
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Fresh numbers off the presses, lots of zinky boys today and hachi machi that's a lot of artillery systems destroyed.
HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 06:07
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HonorableTB posted:lots of zinky boys today don't be ghoulish. the preferred nomenclature is Lada token.
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Jun 7, 2023 06:10
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Plus those troops and equipment Russia sent to reinforce the Black Sea submarine fleet by not telling beforehand that the troops stationed upstream are going to blow the dam them moment UAF counterattacks.
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Jun 7, 2023 06:11
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frumpykvetchbot posted:don't be ghoulish. fish brick exchange ratio is what these days?
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Jun 7, 2023 06:12
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I wonder if that 800 figure includes the Russian own-goal of literally liquidating their own soldiers downstream.
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Jun 7, 2023 06:12
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Skanky Burns posted:I wonder if that 800 figure includes the Russian own-goal of literally liquidating their own soldiers downstream. In an uncommon seriouspost from me, the dam's destruction was an absolutely calamitous event. The flood waters are not expected to dissipate into the Black Sea for up to 2 weeks, and therefore it is extremely unlikely that casualty counts, whether civilian, Ukrainian, Russian, animal, or human, will be known for quite some time, and will likely never be fully known in the same vein as other mass casualty events such as tsunamis and hurricane storm surges. If anyone would have those figures, it would be the RU Ministry of Defense, and since they didn't bother telling their own boys to get the gently caress out before flooding them to death, there's likely never going to be anything like a real accounting of the losses from this on the Russian side. I honestly wouldn't even know where to begin to count the casualties from this because from all satellite imagery, ground footage, and released intelligence reports, the entire Russian first echelon of defensive fortifications in the Zaporizhzhia oblast along the Dnipro is just etch-a-sketched out of existence. E: and here's the start of the resulting consequences for the ecocide Russia perpetrated. Ukraine's getting "a significant number" of F-16s where Zelenskyy had hoped for a handful https://news.yahoo.com/zelensky-ukraine-receive-significant-number-170719307.html E2: Russians mined the flood waters so the mines would float downstream and wash up along the river bank south of Nova Kakhovka:  HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 06:14
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HonorableTB posted:In an uncommon seriouspost from me, the dam's destruction was an absolutely calamitous event. The flood waters are not expected to dissipate into the Black Sea for up to 2 weeks, and therefore it is extremely unlikely that casualty counts, whether civilian, Ukrainian, Russian, animal, or human, will be known for quite some time, and will likely never be fully known in the same vein as other mass casualty events such as tsunamis and hurricane storm surges. If anyone would have those figures, it would be the RU Ministry of Defense, and since they didn't bother telling their own boys to get the gently caress out before flooding them to death, there's likely never going to be anything like a real accounting of the losses from this on the Russian side. yeah for anyone struggling to visualize the scale of the disaster, dam is (was) the red line, reservoir is circled  that's a body of water 1/3 the size of delaware and in terms of volume, about 2/3 of lake mead or lake powell Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 06:22
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Herstory Begins Now posted:yeah for anyone struggling to visualize the scale of the disaster, dam is (was) the red line, reservoir is circled Thanks for this, it really helps provide some context. For added context on top of that, the reservoir that is currently draining into the Black Sea held 18km^3 of water volume at the time the dam was breached. That's the same volume of water as the volume of lava released during the eruption of Krakatoa in the eruption that produced a year without a summer due to atmospheric pollution
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Jun 7, 2023 06:24
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1666314661698981889 gently caress off, you think you're not going to pay for this? By the time this war ends, you won't have anything resembling an army.
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Jun 7, 2023 06:44
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nuke my dang balls right here right now
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Jun 7, 2023 06:55
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I mean he ain't wrong
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Jun 7, 2023 07:12
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HonorableTB posted:you may or may not be surprised to learn that in 2010 when the Deepwater Horizon oil rig broke and spilled a bajillion barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico, Russia offered legitimate assistance to the United States about how to shut the oil well down by way of advising the detonation of a small yield nuclear weapon at the wellhead to seal it off because that's what they do when they have the same problem and Obama's reaction was essentially Do you have a source for this? I'm totally open to believing it, but I had a pretty strong feeling that aside from North Korea, nobody has been actually detonating nukes since the nuclear test ban treaties came into effect and thought that pretty much any nuke detonation would have been detected by US SIGINT so even if true, it shouldn't have surprised Obama. So I'd be interested to read about it if I'm wrong.
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Jun 7, 2023 07:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiXWQoyXwZA Insights from Ukraine and Russia with a couple new interceptions, including wild claims that Pigozhin somehow found 200,000 people to replenish the ranks of his mercs, information that apparently Russia wants Ukraine to occupy the villages past the Ukrainian border so they can indiscriminately shell them, and one pretty damning bit where he posted a poll that 72% of the locals in Shebekino (where the Russian volunteer corps are at now) voted in agreement for the "special military operation" to happen. Guess it's hitting a lot different now that the war came home to them.
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Jun 7, 2023 07:26
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Reporting from Ukraine proposed a theory about the dam. Basically the Russians wanted to prevent Ukrainians from launching attacks in the Kherson direction because that would pull away troops from the main assault. So they decided to flood the islands in the middle of the river. Only they hosed it up. Badly. https://youtu.be/RQbQXUxfhGM (disregard the clickbait thumbnail, his videos always have those but the content isn't sensational like that.)
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Jun 7, 2023 07:33
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The good news, as little as can be got from that situation, is that the Ukrainians did manage to successfully evacuate their positions and most of their kit.
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Jun 7, 2023 07:39
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TulliusCicero posted:
They'll find footwraps and declare that smoking gun evidence for the dam breach to be due to NATO forces.
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Jun 7, 2023 07:54
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spankmeister posted:Reporting from Ukraine proposed a theory about the dam. Basically the Russians wanted to prevent Ukrainians from launching attacks in the Kherson direction because that would pull away troops from the main assault. So they decided to flood the islands in the middle of the river. Only they hosed it up. Badly. This doesn't gel with the fact that the russians closed the spillway gates and kept them closed for days before the bombing, in order to raise the reservoir water level to a historical high. https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1666012180217462785/photo/1 The hydroelectric generators were in operation and there was local power to control the gates, so if all they wanted to do was create a controlled amount of flooding, they could have done so.
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Jun 7, 2023 07:58
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peanut posted:nuke my dang balls right here right now
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frumpykvetchbot posted:
Not deniably, though up to interpretation if that's sufficient.
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