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frumpykvetchbot posted:This doesn't gel with the fact that the russians closed the spillway gates and kept them closed for days before the bombing, in order to raise the reservoir water level to a historical high. Idk I'm not a hydroelectric engineer. Are you? The Russians sure seem to suck at it.
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Jun 7, 2023 08:13
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Mokotow posted:Gotta say I found today particularly hard to follow in light of the human and animal suffering due to the dam failure, on top of the, I loathe the term, usual war suffering. My kid is due in four weeks and it twists my insides to think what kind of a world he’s coming into. Think I’ll use those weeks to unsub and clear my head. Hey, in the same boat here -- not only is our kid going to be born with the war still going, but also having to deal with the fact that our extended family is nationalist morons who support putput  doesn't compare with the experience of Ukrainians whose lives were destroyed and they had their russian relatives tell them they deserve it though. And it's going to be a brighter world to come into after the bunker grandpa gets his hoboarmy destroyed. It would have been a much darker place had the three day war went according to plan
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Jun 7, 2023 08:28
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Carth Dookie posted:Do you have a source for this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Explosions_for_the_National_Economy
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Jun 7, 2023 08:38
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spankmeister posted:Idk I'm not a hydroelectric engineer. Are you? The Russians sure seem to suck at it. I'm a civil engineer that primarily deals with flooding, and if I wanted to flood a large an area as possible raising the dam level as high as I could before doing it would probably be how I did it. But if you're going to use explosives, with a reservoir that big whatever you do the flooding is going to be catastrophic so I'm not sure I buy the "controlled flooding" explaination. With a ropey dam like that if you use explosives nothing about it is controlled, especially if you are russian. Also the reservoir is so big even if they didn't raise it the flooding would still be massive. That said, it could be that the level was rising because the control mechanism was hosed, and the dam failed because it overtopped (combined with it being in poor condition). Entirely possible, a lot of dams aren't very good at dealing with overtopping and it had been shelled over the last year I believe. There were reports of explosions, which could just be unreliable witnesses or the sound of the dam failing (mayyyybe). We don't really know enough, but I'm 90%+ sure it was the Russians, either by malice or incompetence.
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Jun 7, 2023 08:48
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Roblo posted:I'm a civil engineer that primarily deals with flooding, and if I wanted to flood a large an area as possible raising the dam level as high as I could before doing it would probably be how I did it. But if you're going to use explosives, with a reservoir that big whatever you do the flooding is going to be catastrophic so I'm not sure I buy the "controlled flooding" explaination. With a ropey dam like that if you use explosives nothing about it is controlled, especially if you are russian. Also the reservoir is so big even if they didn't raise it the flooding would still be massive. Well you know what you have to do Use your job access to blow up a reservoir of comparable size so we can make a scientific comparison
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Jun 7, 2023 08:57
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 ....... they drew an actual monkey on one of their tanks.
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Jun 7, 2023 09:01
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HonorableTB posted:Ooh I love OSHA related things, wanna know what else was installed backwards? CLOWNASS
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Jun 7, 2023 09:01
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A second invasion just hit Kherson https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1665958550512730112
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Jun 7, 2023 09:16
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zone posted:
Looks more like still-undiscovered orangivore animal to me.
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Jun 7, 2023 09:18
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HonorableTB posted:Ooh I love OSHA related things, wanna know what else was installed backwards? That's the most infamous Proton-M launch failure, but issues didn't stop there. After several failures, it was found that someone replaced key components made from expensive heat-resistant precious metals with cheaper alternatives and falsified documentation. It's grift-funded dachas all the way down. https://www.dw.com/en/russia-grounds-proton-m-rockets-over-crash/a-37315115 But what can be expected from a hollowed-out space agency running on Soviet-era fumes that recruits their rocket engineers into war https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1662158341341077505 Dwesa fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 09:35
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Neat. Seems like this was mostly experimental and ended with the Soviet union so not a thing done during Putin's rule unless there's some other info out there.
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Jun 7, 2023 09:37
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madeintaipei posted:Looks more like still-undiscovered orangivore animal to me. Not googling that
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Jun 7, 2023 09:39
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Groda posted:Not googling that 
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Jun 7, 2023 09:57
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Regarding the fate of Russian soldiers that were digging trenches in irradiated soil https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/1666373040429465600
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Jun 7, 2023 10:22
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it was so wild to me that chernobyl was still an active place it's just the visitor center says "go away why are you here cyka lol"
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Jun 7, 2023 10:34
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Alan Smithee posted:it was so wild to me that chernobyl was still an active place
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Jun 7, 2023 10:55
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huh, I thought it looked familiar, but Cheburashka didn't occur to me immediately.
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Jun 7, 2023 10:56
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Claes Oldenburger posted:Weapons like that feel especially...war crime-y. That is a tiny explosive and looks like a toy. Yes. Nothing new for Glorious Russia, they absolutely carpeted Afghanistan with those. Their military use is very limited, but they look appealing to children and have a VERY low activation pressure, which means a small child picking up a fun brightly coloured thing can blow themselves up. And sure enough apparently a lot of Afghani children in fact did. But of course if you ask the tankies, that's not why they did it, no no. It had tons of valid military reasons such as... and... uhh...
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Jun 7, 2023 11:00
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mobby_6kl posted:A second invasion just hit Kherson
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Jun 7, 2023 11:07
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Yes. Nothing new for Glorious Russia, they absolutely carpeted Afghanistan with those. Their military use is very limited, but they look appealing to children and have a VERY low activation pressure, which means a small child picking up a fun brightly coloured thing can blow themselves up. America did too ofc, and also dropped food-aid packets the same colour as the bomblets. Afghanistan's one of those places everyone wants to invade, even if nobody can properly articulate why.
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Jun 7, 2023 11:12
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The Lone Badger posted:America did too ofc, and also dropped food-aid packets the same colour as the bomblets. Afghanistan's one of those places everyone wants to invade, even if nobody can properly articulate why. "HRW posted:11. Question: When and why did the U.S. last use antipersonnel mines, and with what result?
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Jun 7, 2023 11:34
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he's referring to a famous incident where humanitarian food-aid packets were designed to be highly visible and as such were put in bright yellow plastic packaging. simultaneously, an unrelated group designing cluster bombs for the US was designing the bomblets to be highly visible and used a similar bright yellow plastic packaging that resembled the food ration. iirc it was promptly addressed once they figured out what was going on, but the issue was two completely unrelated design decisions that until then no one had thought to coordinate.
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Jun 7, 2023 11:42
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1666355640875319297 This pathetic creature apparently finds great happiness in the suffering of innocent people.
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Jun 7, 2023 11:59
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Experts say dam collapse was likely an (explosive) inside job, collapses due to heavy flow, high water or damaged sluice gates usually follow different patterns https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1666396865317728257 https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1666396866747965442 From the article: quote:Experts cautioned that the available evidence was very limited, but they said that an internal explosion was the likeliest explanation for the destruction of the dam, a massive structure of steel-reinforced concrete that was completed in 1956. And local residents reported on social media that they heard a huge explosion around the time the dam was breached, at 2:50 a.m. Dwesa fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 12:08
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Alan Smithee posted:it was so wild to me that chernobyl was still an active place You used to be able to go on guided tours and there's a bunch of youtube videos of dorks sneaking into the exclusion zone so they can also of the videos I saw even those idiots who snuck in had the sense not to dig a loving trench or move stuff around too much.
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Jun 7, 2023 12:13
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Dwesa posted:Experts say dam collapse was likely an (explosive) inside job, collapses due to heavy flow, high water or damaged sluice gates usually follow different patterns That fits with my relatively limited knowledge of dams too. That said it was damaged due to shelling (I believe) so isn't exactly a normal dam failure situation.
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Jun 7, 2023 12:24
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Roblo posted:I'm a civil engineer that primarily deals with flooding, and if I wanted to flood a large an area as possible raising the dam level as high as I could before doing it would probably be how I did it. But if you're going to use explosives, with a reservoir that big whatever you do the flooding is going to be catastrophic so I'm not sure I buy the "controlled flooding" explaination. With a ropey dam like that if you use explosives nothing about it is controlled, especially if you are russian. Also the reservoir is so big even if they didn't raise it the flooding would still be massive. Interesting, thank you.
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Jun 7, 2023 12:35
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Roblo posted:That fits with my relatively limited knowledge of dams too. That said it was damaged due to shelling (I believe) so isn't exactly a normal dam failure situation. Is it normal practice that the same two sluice gates are left open for months on end, and if not, what would the detrimental effects of that be? Is there any way to square this kind of neglect with the damage we've seen?
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Jun 7, 2023 12:51
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Hannibal Rex posted:Is it normal practice that the same two sluice gates are left open for months on end, and if not, what would the detrimental effects of that be? Is there any way to square this kind of neglect with the damage we've seen? Normally there would be a pretty comprehensive maintenance regime on any infrastructure that important, I doubt Russia was doing any of that so maybe the penstocks seized shut or something. Could be a power failure so they couldn't operate the asset and the backups were damaged. There is a poo poo load that can go wrong in an asset like that. There's often a way to do an emergency drawdown of a reservoir to reduce levels if needed - that didn't seem to be going on. We really don't know enough and it's drat hard to tell whether something is malice or incompetence with Russia. Have to admit I haven't exactly looked into what happened in detail - funnily enough I'm at a flooding conference, there are some of the worlds top dam engineers here and they are pissed about what happened in Ukraine.
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Jun 7, 2023 12:58
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HonorableTB posted:the snorkels were notoriously bad and in trials using them for amphibious crossings resulted in lots of drowned tankers because even when the snorkels worked, the loving crew compartments weren't watertight lol that's not really unique to russians though, trying to turn any armored vehicle into some flavor of boat or submarine is incredibly sketchy at best and with very still water.
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Jun 7, 2023 12:59
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How is denazification going: dreams of squashing "roaches" and of Lebensraum for Russian peasants https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1666277668994547712
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Jun 7, 2023 13:05
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Dwesa posted:How is denazification going: dreams of squashing "roaches" and of Lebensraum for Russian peasants By the time of the next Mooooobilization, I somehow doubt you'll even have enough equipment left to arm a third of the poor bastards that get dragged in. And as for armored vehicles, maybe you'll be desperate enough to raid Kubinka, or maybe you won't be. We'll see that happening almost for a certainty if the Ukrainians keep up the pace they've been at for the last couple days.
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Jun 7, 2023 13:27
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Let's see Chechnya x2 Invades Georgia Invades Crimea Invades mainland Ukraine Commits large scale civilian murder Loots homes Rapes countless people Tortures people Tortures animals Forced deporation of people/children Loots places of culture Bombs civilian housing Bombs hospitals and schools State controlled media calls for the extermination of all of Ukraine Continually lie to your country about the war Conscripts and sends it's own people without training to fight Jails it's own people for speaking out about the war Threaten to nuke everyone I'll ignore everything prior to USSR collapse cos lol not enough word count e - It actually mined the dam last year So anyway, I'm having a hard time waiting for evidence on who did blow up the dam Tai fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Jun 7, 2023 13:39
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Anything negative that goes on in that part of the world is Russia's fault regardless - it wouldn't have happened if Russia hadn't invaded. As far as I'm concerned if someone stubs their toe in Ukraine it's Russia's fault.
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Jun 7, 2023 13:46
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Know one knows anything and everything is just rumor and innuendo but there's talk floating around socials etc that the dam was destroyed by some Russian soldiers...without orders. Retaking that area is an obvious objective and the undergeared, undersupported, staring down the barrel of the oncoming offensive guys in the field know it. The bridge roadway was already damaged back during the initial invasion and the control gates may have also been damaged at that time. Temporary repairs were supposed to have been made but...why repair something when you can say it was fixed and grift the money? So a damaged dam that never got repaired, that is also a known objective and supply line, surrounded by guys that aren't being watched because the Russians are stretched thin and undermanned, with access to piles of high explosives and little else, and who are being told they are going to have to hold back the offensive, with no gear or support. Meanwhile fallback positions are already being prepared and the dam is being filled to maximize the flood threat making it a better bargaining chip or to flood out the Ukrainians after they take the area. Could easily just be talk, but some mobiks dumping a truckload of high explosives off the side and blowing the thing in an effort to escape in the chaos or at least delay the offensive and be moved to safer fallback positions seems somewhat plausible when the flooding as it happened is not beneficial to the grand scheme of Russia really or Ukraine but too coincidental in its timing to be ignored as just unlucky timing or accidental. Translated telegram bullshit and all that but it makes as much sense as anything.
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Jun 7, 2023 13:49
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Roblo posted:Anything negative that goes on in that part of the world is Russia's fault regardless - it wouldn't have happened if Russia hadn't invaded. As far as I'm concerned if someone stubs their toe in Ukraine it's Russia's fault. 
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Jun 7, 2023 14:10
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https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1666364025456717825
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Jun 7, 2023 14:33
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No lies detected.
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Jun 7, 2023 14:44
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The UN was never meant to reign in world powers. It sucks, but the second it tries it, the whole purpose of it (providing direct means to limit tensions between nuclear powers) falls apart.
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Deki posted:The UN was never meant to reign in world powers. Street Fighter movie lied to me
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