|
shelley posted:gently caress I think I owned this book too. The thing I remember most vividly is the author randomly bringing up their Christian beliefs at, like, the very end of the book, and I was just like “what the gently caress does Jesus have to do with the X Files” I also owned this book. And recently I picked up a super cheap copy online. Instead of finding it completely fascinating, like I did as a kid, I was like "dude what is wrong with you?" I don't remember him being christian, but I also didn't reread the whole thing, so probably.
|
#
?
Jun 6, 2023 23:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 19:43 |
|
|
pentyne posted:There's a really good video that breaks down how CinemaSins is the most souless, vacuous content imaginable, run by two guys who repeatedly tried similar before always in an attempt to game the content algorithm. They hit on a success and then tried to mine it as aggressively as possible. Yep! Seen that video ages back. It's great. Bobvids are goodvids.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 02:55
|
|
|
Even as someone who loves to dig into the minutia of pop culture stuff, I've never understood the pathological need to treat shows/movies/comics as absolutely real, logically coherent universes that must be exhaustively catalogued and all inconsistencies judged from within the fiction itself. That's how you end up with Wookiepedia. And like at least two decades of unnecessary EU crap explaining the deep and intricate backstories of every. single. background character.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 04:24
|
|
|
I like worldbuilding stuff and can see the appeal sometime. But really I feel like it all depends on the sort of media and what it's trying to do and be. Like A Song of Ice and Fire, for better and for worse, tries to paint itself as a logically coherent universe that can be catalogued and where inconsistencies in the text itself are significant rather than coincidental. Star Wars, being a fairy tale in space, does not. It's part of the general unwillingness to engage with media on its own terms. People looking at a pancake and getting angry that it's not a waffle and refusing to assess it on how good or bad of a pancake it is.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 04:28
|
|
|
John Murdoch posted:Even as someone who loves to dig into the minutia of pop culture stuff, I've never understood the pathological need to treat shows/movies/comics as absolutely real, logically coherent universes that must be exhaustively catalogued and all inconsistencies judged from within the fiction itself. And, when Disney bought the IP, they took a shiny revolver to the head of that wiki and put it down, declaring it all as non-canon and therefore irrelevant.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 04:51
|
|
|
RoboChrist 9000 posted:I like worldbuilding stuff and can see the appeal sometime. But really I feel like it all depends on the sort of media and what it's trying to do and be. On the one hand, I get what you mean. As a convenient example I've been on a slight Power Rangers kick lately and while that series does have more continuity than one might think...it's also never been all that beholden to it either. (To say nothing of being forced to make do with what the originating sentai shows give them.) Trying reconcile everything absolutely perfectly in what is ultimately first and foremost a kid's show trying to sell toys is a fool's errand. But on the other hand, I don't think intent actually matters that much. A continuity error in Game of Thrones is no different than a continuity error in Transformers - it's a fictional thing made by humans and sometimes humans screw up. Sometimes you just gotta take a step back and acknowledge that. Of course, don't get me wrong, if somebody has fun spinning up their own explanation for inconsistencies in media, hey go nuts. It's really just the odd need for an authoritative, definitive explanation for every little thing that I don't understand.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 05:13
|
|
|
pentyne posted:And, when Disney bought the IP, they took a shiny revolver to the head of that wiki and put it down, declaring it all as non-canon and therefore irrelevant. Anyone who thought disney was going to pay any attention at all to the eu, let alone try to make their movies/shows/etc consistent with it, was loving stupid
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 05:40
|
|
|
Improbable Lobster posted:Anyone who thought disney was going to pay any attention at all to the eu, let alone try to make their movies/shows/etc consistent with it, was loving stupid Nah, I can see an argument for it. Insomuch that a normal person will watch and like a new Star Wars film or whatever. And pay the $10 for their ticket. So Disney gets $10 from them. But if you make that new Star Was film canonically accurate, and throw in references to a side character in one of the other decades olf Star Wars films, then the Star Wars nerds will buy 17 tickets to that film each, just to re watch the reference, as well as buying the premium DVD with 2 extra hours discussing said side characters backstory and so on and so forth. Meaning Disney gets over $100 from them for making the same film. So yeah, Disney gives no shits about the extended Star Wars universe, but they do like money, and there is an argument that giving Star Wars nerds extra obscure intricate bullshit to obsess over would make them more money.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 06:01
|
|
|
There really isn't
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 06:03
|
|
|
BrigadierSensible posted:But if you make that new Star Was film canonically accurate, and throw in references to a side character in one of the other decades olf Star Wars films, Do you know anything about the star wars eu? Every author was uncreative so all the main characters from the movies show up all the time and also it goes far past where the original films ended. Imagine trying to write a script for a sequel that has to take into account 30 years of books that killed off or married off main characters or gave them kids.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 06:12
|
|
|
Some of the guys in charge of large chunks of Disney Star wars like Fioni and Favreau are giant Star Wars nerds so they've been bringing back some of their favourite EU stuff like Grand Admiral Thrawn. Filoni especially loves including callbacks and trivia that only an obsessed nerd would recognize such as basing new characters on the original Ralph McQuarrie concept art for Chewbacca and R2D2  
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 06:13
|
|
|
shelley posted:gently caress I think I owned this book too. The thing I remember most vividly is the author randomly bringing up their Christian beliefs at, like, the very end of the book, and I was just like “what the gently caress does Jesus have to do with the X Files” I remember the Star Trek one having a dedication to Jesus, which I initially assumed was a joke because... well, you're dedicated the Nitpicker's Guide to Star Trek to your Lord and Savior? That's what your faith has compelled you to do, count up the number of times there's a production error in a tv show from the 1960s?!
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 07:03
|
|
|
Improbable Lobster posted:Do you know anything about the star wars eu? Every author was uncreative so all the main characters from the movies show up all the time and also it goes far past where the original films ended. Imagine trying to write a script for a sequel that has to take into account 30 years of books that killed off or married off main characters or gave them kids. I can't even begin to summarize how bad the EU got in the 2000s up until it got shitcanned. This is mostly from memory, so bear with it but it goes a long way to explaining how bad it got. The EU basically kicked off in 1991 with the first major trilogy set after the movies, a pretty great series that introduced an amazing antagonist that set a strong tone for the series. The demand for Star Wars stories was insane and it sold gangbusters, leading to a glut of SW books coming out and beginning the habit of various book series pushing the timeline forward. Funny enough when checking Timothy Zahn is actually back to writing Star Wars books about Thrawn, who's set to become a major part of the canon Disney franchise. Starting in 2000 there was a huge EU series planned with several authors, including some semi solid names like RA Salvatore and Micheal Stackpole, so genre fiction but not bad. The whole premise was that for this mega, 23 book series all the authors would occasionally meet/discuss the series direction so everyone was kept in the loop. The series started with Chewbacca dying, one of the 'forbidden' things up to that point the killing of a original trilogy character. They blow up major EU focus planets like Mon Calamari. poo poo gets real. Long and short is massive galaxy upheaval changes literally everything yet same OG cast are still a major focus. The whole process starts to fall apart for the last 1/3rd but it does bring Troy Denning into the mix, this comes up later. There's a interim series that has something to do with alien bugs and hive minds, also Troy Denning. The next major series Legacy of the Force, 9 books, then starts what became the death knell of the EU, because it was mostly Troy Denning and Karen Traviss. Traviss is a notorious figure in the EU for a few main things. She loved, LOVED the whole Mandolorian thing, writing them like superhuman demigods who can smack Jedi around like children. She called her critics the Talifans. And she was literally ret-conning the previous novels written by Denning, who would then retcon her stuff in the next novel and so on. It was slapfight shitposting level stuff in mass market paperback form. End result was Traviss was gone. I really can't understate how bad it was. I think Denning end one of his books with a biological virus that would kill only Mandolorians used against them, forcing them to leave the planet they claimed, and then in the next book Traviss has them immediately cure it and return. Stuff like Denning writes a regular Jedi beating a dozen Mando's in a fight, then Traviss writes a Mando mook smacking down a bunch of Jedi as a lesson that Mandos are the true superior ones. The following 9 book series is Fate of the Jedi, so un-notable that I can't even find info on the wiki page for the series. Denning is the lead with 2 other no name authors, just sort of people churning out genre fiction. It has some literal massive evil gaseous being and some weird deities who are the personification of light and dark side force, literally called Father, Mother, Son, and then the evil one. In his defense this was introduced in the Clone War series. The last book I only vaguely remember because when I heard about it it turned out to be so bad I had to skim it to see. Written by Denning, set 45 years after Endor, it's the last book in the EU, and has Han Solo saving Luke and Leia in the final battle when they merge into the force by calling their names to 'resurrect' them. The general understanding is that after the first massive 23 book series the IP holders basically stopped giving a gently caress about anything and just kept issuing contracts for book series because they wanted more star wars books on the shelves. Troy Denning won his feud with Traviss and became the core author, and he just sucked all kinds of poo poo. Disney walks in, looks at the steaming pile of poo poo that has gone on for 15 years and says "nah, gently caress this, new stories" pentyne has a new favorite as of 07:22 on Jun 7, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 07:17
|
|
|
BrigadierSensible posted:So yeah, Disney gives no shits about the extended Star Wars universe, but they do like money, and there is an argument that giving Star Wars nerds extra obscure intricate bullshit to obsess over would make them more money. During Apple's Vision Pro announcement on Monday, they brought out Bob Iger to talk about the Disney content partnership. One of the clips of "stuff we're working on" was an episode of the Mandalorian, with... I dunno, Disneypedia entries in secondary screens giving background on the enemy ship they're fighting and the planet they're over. The more of those kinds of fans they can reach, the more of them will be making six figgies and willing to drop $3500 on the latest media gadget hotness.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 08:00
|
|
|
John Murdoch posted:On the one hand, I get what you mean. As a convenient example I've been on a slight Power Rangers kick lately and while that series does have more continuity than one might think...it's also never been all that beholden to it either. (To say nothing of being forced to make do with what the originating sentai shows give them.) Trying reconcile everything absolutely perfectly in what is ultimately first and foremost a kid's show trying to sell toys is a fool's errand. Yeah, I get you. I mean, really, it's all about verisimilitude and I feel like the genre, or rather nature of the story, determines a lot of what can and cannot be done without breaking it. Or, in some cases, if it's even necessary. Like something like ASOIAF or whatever tries for verisimilitude - it is clearly a concern of the author and something the narrative indulges in. Continuity matters to the story. But something like Star Wars, or Transformers which I love, fly looser with it. Obviously Beast Wars builds on G1 in many ways, but it also flies loose with it too. You can 'nitpick' ASOIAF to a fairly intense degree without it becoming silly or absurd, but Beast Wars or Star Wars, not so much. And then of course some media, like old slapstick cartoons, don't even really need verisimilitude and so yeah. It would be absurd to nitpick them at all. "If Daffy Duck can survive multiple point blank blasts from Elmer Fudd's shotgun, why does he sometimes act like getting shot would be fatal?" Like yeah, it all boils down to engaging with media on its terms. There's some stuff like the political/moral ramifications that's a bit more universal, sure, but like you obviously do not scrutinize the motivations of the pizza guy in a porno the same way you might scrutinize Tony Soprano. But yeah. I like a lot of stuff in the old EU, and I think KOTOR 2 is easily on par with the original trilogy - although it depends on the EU for that since it's largely a criticism of them and the prequels (and funny enough, even more the sequels) - but I still feel like any sort of expansion on Star Wars was innately flawed, anyway. It was not only better left to the imagination, but by expanding on the story you kind of alter it. The original trilogy is a fairy tale in space. In that context, Anakin's redemption works. Like it also works in a fairy tale that when the evil space wizard is defeated, his army crumbles and breaks. The defeat of the Emperor is the defeat of the Empire. But, of course, that's not how it would work in any sort of even semi-realistic story. As in the old EU and I think even the new, the defeat of the Emperor is only the defeat of a unified Empire, and they quickly splinter into various warlord factions like China after the fall of the Qing. And - and here's the big issue - in any kind of semi-realistic story, no, doing your son a solid one time at the end of your life does not make up for spending most of your adult life as Space Hitler. Unless you have some really odd morals, the EU almost by necessity undoes Anakin's redemption and given how idealistic and optimistic the OT is and how much I love that aspect of it (it's seriously about Luke, the young idealist, teaching the old cynical Jedi that they are wrong and that love and forgiveness and idealism triumph where cynicism and pragmatism fail!) and find it kind of gross. But what can you do. Media gonna media, showbusiness gonna business. It's all made up, and stories mean what they mean to you, and canon is only what you choose to accept.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 08:43
|
|
|
I think Star Trek: Strange New Worlds has done great with this sort of canon thing. Take the things you like, update some of the 60s weirdness with a more modern interpretation, explore in the spaces you've been given.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 12:16
|
|
|
Didn't the EU have Space Cenobites that were immune to Jedi stuff because they were from another galaxy (presumably further further away) and thus outside the force?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 12:28
|
|
|
FreudianSlippers posted:Didn't the EU have Space Cenobites that were immune to Jedi stuff because they were from another galaxy (presumably further further away) and thus outside the force? basically? They didn't use technology and attacked with giant space faring monsters and asteroids, iirc, but it's been ages. I never made it that far myself, so only know secondhand from one of my college roommates.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 12:33
|
|
|
John Murdoch posted:That's how you end up with Wookiepedia. And like at least two decades of unnecessary EU crap explaining the deep and intricate backstories of every. single. background character.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 13:11
|
|
|
muscles like this! posted:Yeah I watched one of those videos criticizing them and it was obvious that they either don't pay attention to the movie or they'll ding something just because it isn't explained right then and there. This is what happens when people grow up with 'comedy' that has to immediately explain every single joke in case anyone misses it. Mooseontheloose posted:I think Star Trek: Strange New Worlds has done great with this sort of canon thing. Take the things you like, update some of the 60s weirdness with a more modern interpretation, explore in the spaces you've been given. But then for some reason they turned the Gorn into Xenomorphs who are all automatically evil? Also the Clone Wars cartoon with the trinity of Force gods is still canon btw
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 13:19
|
|
|
I had all the Trek nitpicker guides and they were fine, I have no idea how anyone could find the criticism in them anything other than ridiculously mild. The whole endeavour was performed in the spirit of lighthearted fun, almost exactly what you'd imagine a devout Christian who loves Star Trek would produce.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 13:32
|
|
|
Managed to rewatch a bunch of episodes of Malcolm in the Middle and I can't believe this show was ever acceptable. I get that part of the point is that these characters are all terrible but Lois is just a textbook narcissistic abusive parent and the show keeps taking her side apart from very few specific instances. Hal is probably the only halfway decent character in the show. That gag fake Breaking Bad ending got it backwards: BB isn't Hal's nightmare, MitM is Walter White's Hell. And the least said about MitM's finale the better. That pissed me off so much at the time and i couldn't understand why anyone thought Lois was doing the right thing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 13:38
|
|
|
I kinda thought the mom being an abusive narcissist was the entire point. It's very clear that they're terrible parents and all their kids' dysfunction can be laid square at their feet, she's where they all learned it from.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 13:50
|
|
|
Hal sucks too, he's a mega enabler of Lois' garbage. I was never able to watch that show when I was younger cause I found the dynamic too much like my real life and it was emotionally upsetting to me
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 13:56
|
|
|
AceOfFlames posted:Managed to rewatch a bunch of episodes of Malcolm in the Middle and I can't believe this show was ever acceptable. I get that part of the point is that these characters are all terrible but Lois is just a textbook narcissistic abusive parent and the show keeps taking her side apart from very few specific instances. Hal is probably the only halfway decent character in the show. That gag fake Breaking Bad ending got it backwards: BB isn't Hal's nightmare, MitM is Walter White's Hell. Yeah, I never saw the ending of the show, but I got the general gist of "Lois deliberately sabotaged Malcolm's life in such a way as to force him to pursue politics where his lovely upbringing would influence him to be the one good politician who actually looks out for the little guy." Like, if I were a genius who was also kind of a lovely person and my family deliberately and knowingly screwed me out of coasting my way to easy millions, I'd dedicate my life to getting back at them every chance I got.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 13:56
|
|
|
My lasting memory of Hal was he had a good taste in music, with me and my dad being floored when a network sitcom dropped a King Crimson reference.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 13:57
|
|
|
Improbable Lobster posted:Do you know anything about the star wars eu? Every author was uncreative so all the main characters from the movies show up all the time and also it goes far past where the original films ended. Imagine trying to write a script for a sequel that has to take into account 30 years of books that killed off or married off main characters or gave them kids. Really, considering there was a period of writers trying to one-up each other on "superweapon threats to the galaxy" (at least 3 that I can think of offhand), and the complicated mess that the EU had become by the time of Disney's acquisition, I think Disney handled it as best they could. Strip away everything that isn't the 6 films, then selectively add back in the material you want that works for your vision of the EU, and earmark the stuff that you enjoy that doesn't slot nicely into the "new" EU and incorporate it later on. Though I still laugh when I remember that the people who bitched about Disney saying the entire EU was not canon anymore are the same ones who bitched that Starkiller Base was "unrealistic" for Star Wars. There was an indestructible (literally the only reason it was destroyed was because it was flown into a black hole. I think they brought it back from the black hole later on because...  ) fighter-sized superweapon that made entire suns go supernova by firing a torpedo into them in the EU, and you're calling the planet-sized superweapon unrealistic?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 14:04
|
|
|
the_steve posted:Yeah, I never saw the ending of the show, but I got the general gist of "Lois deliberately sabotaged Malcolm's life in such a way as to force him to pursue politics where his lovely upbringing would influence him to be the one good politician who actually looks out for the little guy." I imagine if there was ever a sequel or distant finale that'd probably be exactly what Malcom would do. Also comes to mind how it would make a terrible amount of sense that parents who are both dysfunctional idiots, a delusional narcissist and an aimless manchild, see their kid having the slightest amount of common sense and self-awareness as some kind of inexplicable superpower.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 14:22
|
|
|
Angry Salami posted:I remember the Star Trek one having a dedication to Jesus, which I initially assumed was a joke because... well, you're dedicated the Nitpicker's Guide to Star Trek to your Lord and Savior? That's what your faith has compelled you to do, count up the number of times there's a production error in a tv show from the 1960s?! If anyone remembers the early 2000s christian movie review site CAPalert.com, where a fundamentalist wrote long reviews of every new release describing how they depart from a scriptural worldview and cataloging every visible nipple and second of the runtime where public hair is visible, that guy was a huge Star Trek fan. His Star Trek movie reviews were some of the best on the site because you could see his cognitive dissonance cooking his brain as he squared his love for Star Trek with the fact that it was all about godless heathens. He had a fundraising deal where people could pay him to review older movies, and I always wanted to pay him to review the Star Trek movie where they kill God, but it seemed like too much money. I remember that he hated Riker for having sex out of wedlock, but he thought Captain Kirk was a godly man in the model of Christ. Then again, he was a creationist whose day job was as an engineer at a nuclear power plant or something (he wanted to quit and live off donations so he could review movies full-time), so he was probably used to compartmentalization.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 14:26
|
|
|
I AM GRANDO posted:I remember that he hated Riker for having sex out of wedlock, but he thought Captain Kirk was a godly man in the model of Christ. Didnt Kirk only flirt or have sex a handful of times over Star Trek's run? For someone with the reputation he has, he was really faithful to his true love his ship. I mean his ship. Guy really wanted to make love to his ship.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 14:57
|
|
|
Ghost Leviathan posted:I imagine if there was ever a sequel or distant finale that'd probably be exactly what Malcom would do. It's just another subset of people's brokenness make them great people which is super toxic and an awful lesson to teach people and POTENTIAL parents. I had a IG/Facebook reel that said if you are trying to get a person to maximize, they need to be broken because look at all these examples and it just feels so wrong. Also, yah the Gorn to Xenomporph thing isn't GREAT but i want to see where they go with it. Pike characterization in SNW is that he is trying to create a more peaceful universe and is all in on Starfleet's mission.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:03
|
|
|
Randalor posted:Though I still laugh when I remember that the people who bitched about Disney saying the entire EU was not canon anymore are the same ones who bitched that Starkiller Base was "unrealistic" for Star Wars. There was an indestructible (literally the only reason it was destroyed was because it was flown into a black hole. I think they brought it back from the black hole later on because... I'm still angry that Kyp Durron was never held accountable for what was the single greatest war crime the galaxy had ever seen to date. But it's different when a Jedi does it, I guess?
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:13
|
|
|
Randalor posted:Though I still laugh when I remember that the people who bitched about Disney saying the entire EU was not canon anymore are the same ones who bitched that Starkiller Base was "unrealistic" for Star Wars. There was an indestructible (literally the only reason it was destroyed was because it was flown into a black hole. I think they brought it back from the black hole later on because... It's been since I was a kid, but I recall that they put it into the center of a star. When whoever went dark side they're new powers to retrieve it.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:18
|
|
|
Mooseontheloose posted:Also, yah the Gorn to Xenomporph thing isn't GREAT but i want to see where they go with it. Pike characterization in SNW is that he is trying to create a more peaceful universe and is all in on Starfleet's mission. There's a bit of a trend in recent iterations of fan favourite classic genre IPs to set right past 'mistakes' which often goes along the lines of "That thing which has been the butt of people's jokes all these years is actually baddass and cool, so there  " and the Gorn is a prime example of that. The Mandalorian's treatment of Tusken raiders and Jawas does a much better job of it, they went to the trouble of portraying them as actual people with cultures and personalities rather than just faceless cannon fodder for the hero to blast away in a cool action scene. The OT's portrayal of Tusken Raiders always felt like a throwback to how Native Americans were portrayed as primitive savages in old Westerns
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:39
|
|
|
Randalor posted:Didnt Kirk only flirt or have sex a handful of times over Star Trek's run? For someone with the reputation he has, he was really faithful to his true love his ship. I mean his ship. Guy really wanted to make love to his ship. I think he’s definitely a guy who fucks, like he’s philosophically open to the possibility even if they get distracted by having to kill the insane computer god/omnipotent alien in control of the planet before things get too far along. I agree he’s monogamous to his spaceship as far as long-term relationships and romantic love, other than Joan Collins that one time.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:42
|
|
|
So Star Wars EU... I'd say there were three distinct eras of the original Star Wars EU. The first was the pre-prequels era books. These books kind of have a bad reputation for a lot of reasons, like turning every minor character into a central figure in the universe or having superweapons every book. But honestly? That was the work of basically one author, Kevin J. Anderson, and if you've read the Brian Herbert Dune books you know he's a hack. Most of the Star Wars books from this era are about Luke, Leia and Han facing new villains, and the books were sort of written scattershot, not in any particular order. They're not great books, but this part of the EU was kind of charming, in that it was so unambitious. By the end of the era, there was a whole stable of supporting characters, some from the movies, but most not, that had developed. So then you get the prequel era stuff. Half of this is just books taking place around the prequels. This is where Karen Traviss first came to prominence, writing books about clone troopers and Mandalorians. She really hated the Jedi, but the prequel Jedi were VERY unpopular with fans of the EU so that wasn't a downside to most fans. I don't have a lot to say about these books. The other half of this era was the New Jedi Order. The New Jedi Order was set to shake things up. They killed off Chewie, they started killing off many of their supporting characters including Han and Leia's younger son. It had machine hating zealots as the antagonists. It was probably a success, as far as these novels went, but it left the post OT EU in a really precarious place. And then the entire thing came crashing down. They brought Karen Traviss in to the next major series and she gave Luke's Jedi the same treatment she'd given the prequel Jedi and people hated it. And at a certain point, the characters began to stretch to thin. There was one character who went from living with the Sand People to being Anakin Solo's love interest to being captured by the aliens in NJO and being tortured into weapon, to being rescued by Anakin, to watching Anakin die, to apprenticing herself to Anakin's brother Jacen who became a Sith Lord and causing her to become a Sith Lord, to being put on trial for war crimes. At a certain point you just go what the gently caress is this even and give up. I sure did.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:43
|
|
|
LASER BEAM DREAM posted:It's been since I was a kid, but I recall that they put it into the center of a star. When whoever went dark side they're new powers to retrieve it. I checked wookiepedia, the first time someone had it, it was dropped into a gas giant. THEN it was pulled out with the force, and flown into a black hole because... that was the only way to destroy the prototype Death Star? For reasons? And that Death Star is different than the third Death Star that was almost completed. Which is also different from the time some Hutts built the Death Star's big laser and built a ship around it. Y'know, for how people bitched about Starkiller Base just being a Death Star knock-off, it sure seems like Disney was just living up to the proud tradition of the old EU. Wookiepedia has a whole page dedicated to EU's superweapons. I'm pretty sure there's more superweapons than people in the EU.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:51
|
|
|
Randalor posted:I checked wookiepedia, the first time someone had it, it was dropped into a gas giant. THEN it was pulled out with the force, and flown into a black hole because... that was the only way to destroy the prototype Death Star? For reasons? And that Death Star is different than the third Death Star that was almost completed. Which is also different from the time some Hutts built the Death Star's big laser and built a ship around it. "Your people went extinct converting the entire planet into one giant superweapon!? Why would you do that?" "Because it was cool."
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:53
|
|
|
The end of Star Wars altogether should be a huge "Mexican standoff" between massive superweapons, all of which destroy each other simultaneously and then everyone heaves a sigh of relief and just goes about their day, peacefully.
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 15:59
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 19:43 |
|
|
Mad Hamish posted:I'm still angry that Kyp Durron was never held accountable for what was the single greatest war crime the galaxy had ever seen to date. But it's different when a Jedi does it, I guess? counterpoint: who cares about this disposable garbage book for miseducated children from 30 years ago
|
|
#
?
Jun 7, 2023 16:24
|
|
