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I like this, it summarizes this phenomena very well. Conservatives really want to feel that they are the idealized "default state" of civilization, and any problem is due to moving away from that center point. But if it's so innate then why is it so fragile as to collapse within a generation? If the Nuclear Family was so flawless then why would they feel so threatened by people doing things the slightest bit differently? https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/1664335656674271243?t=TrAQh0z44iFij_HcgSNOEw&s=19
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bird food bathtub posted:Anybody got a line on which right wing media outlet is spouting off about how liberal commie cuck socialist cities refuse to prosecute for shoplifting now and that will be the downfall of western civilization when [CORPORATION X] pulls out of the latest city? My work CHUD barometer has been on a tear about it for two days now to anyone he can force the topic on. I assume some source of what I will sneeringly call "information" is pumping him up on this, it's not the usual off handed racism or fascist masturbatory fantasies that come and go. Been a pretty sustained topic he's been going off on. When people argue "crime is high when consequences are nonexistent" I want to challenge them to give an opposite example-adjusted for other demographics are the rate of crimes inversely proportional to the punishment? If we executed everyone who stole a Gummi bear candy from Wal mart would shoplifting be nonexistent? Aside from that, blaming poor store performance on theft is a convenient way of shifting blame away from management. I think CVS in San Francisco blamed a store closure on theft originally then it turned out they had just overextended themselves during the pandemic. But what's going to be easier to explain to shareholders, "we opened too many stores" or "the poors keep stealing from us!" Then you can get into the cost benefit of reducing shrinkage. If it costs $8 to prevent every $1 worth of items from being stolen, how much are you willing to hemorrage on principle? Conversely, how much will a chud tolerate shoplifting if the costs aren't really being passed on to him?
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Panfilo posted:I like this, it summarizes this phenomena very well. Conservatives really want to feel that they are the idealized "default state" of civilization, and any problem is due to moving away from that center point. But if it's so innate then why is it so fragile as to collapse within a generation? If the Nuclear Family was so flawless then why would they feel so threatened by people doing things the slightest bit differently? also the whole 'Nuclear Family' deal is something that didn't even exist for that long, and was mainly undone by capitalism's greed forcing people to have to work multiple jobs in order to support a family. It's all nonsense.
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The nuclear family was created by capitalism as well, as a way of dividing people from the support of extended family and of making them consume more through newly established patterns.
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The Question IRL posted:Look at all these posters who don't understand that Aladdin is actually set in a post apocalyptic future that just resembles the past as history starts to repeat. Aladdin in the universe of Numenera sounds sick
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Panfilo posted:When people argue "crime is high when consequences are nonexistent" I want to challenge them to give an opposite example-adjusted for other demographics are the rate of crimes inversely proportional to the punishment? If we executed everyone who stole a Gummi bear candy from Wal mart would shoplifting be nonexistent? Yeah that's what they think Or if not nonexistent it'd be as low as humanly possible. They think the only way the justice system can reduce crime is deterrence and incapacitation. Death is the maximum punishment so that's maximum deterrence (death should be as cruel and painful as possible). And you can't shoplift if you're dead so maximum and permanent incapacitation. Therefore minimum crime. Some might be a little softer and say death for stealing a pack of gum is too cruel and it's worth tolerating a little more shoplifting rather than resort to that but they do think it would work if you wanted minimum crime. Or at least the minimum that can be achieved through the criminal justice system, obviously they'd say there are other things a society can and should do to prevent crime (raise kids with strong moral values, paddle them, school prayer, whatever) VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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The Question IRL posted:Look at all these posters who don't understand that Aladdin is actually set in a post apocalyptic future that just resembles the past as history starts to repeat. That would explain the glowing underground storage facility where it's dangerous to touch anything. This was no place of honor.
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Panfilo posted:What are they still going on about here? Is 'voter fraud' just going to get screamed nonstop regardless of ejectors outcome until the heat death of the universe? It's really tedious to dig to the bottom of this stuff, but I think I have the full explanation now. I'm not a lawyer. I think I found the important docs but it's hard to figure out. The first part covers what Maricopa County says happened, it's from a Maricopa's Election Director Scott Jarett The second part is what Kari Lake says happened The third part is why it doesn't even matter, even Kari Lake is 100% correct. 1. Scott Jarret Declaration: • Prior to the election (Oct 4-10), the Elections department did testing on tabulator machines. • As part of the testing, they realized that they had not configured the tabulator machines from rejecting early and provisional ballots. This is an optional setting. (Note from personal experience: This is optional because early and provisional ballots are kept in signed/sealed envelopes and then put into special locked bins. It would be WILD for a poll worker to rip open an early ballot envelope and feed it through a tabulator) • They wanted to enable this rejection feature anyways, just to be sure. They made the change to the program, and this version of the program was submitted for Logic and Accuracy testing on the 11th of October. (For L&A, a small number of machines are tested on a few precincts to make sure they work properly. If certified, that version of the program/configuration can be used for the election) • Now that the program was certified, they began installing the newly certified program in the machines. • As part of validation, they ran a test deck of ballots which cover things like blank ballots, overvotes, and accessible voting device ballots. This is to ensure that the memory card is properly installed, but not a full "test" 2. Kari Lake's motion • Kari Lake describes this validation as a "test" and claims that 260 of the 446 tabulators failed. (I don't know how they came up with that number.) • She claims that this was intentional and meant that they knew that a bunch of the machines were designed to fail, and intentionally cause errors and problems on election day. • Originally Kari had filed a number of charges, most importantly "Count II." This one's weird, because it refers to a law that covers tabulation machines, but she tries to argue that this also includes printers, which she claimed were not certified, susceptible to hacking and resulted in tabulator problems. The original version of this charge was rejected in the Dec trial 3. Judge's decision • Count II had been rejected as part of the trial in Dec 2022. •The motion changes the story to it being a problem with the tabulators, not the printers. • The judge asserts that amending charges is something you're supposed to do BEFORE you go to trial, not after. • By AZ law, for elections, amending charges is not permitted after the contest filing deadline has past. • All the affected ballots were unreadable were transferred to new ballots and counted, so it didn't affect the outcome of the election. • All the arguments made in the Kari Lake's motion are essentially the same as the ones made at the trial. • The motion is dismissed. Relevant documents Lake's original complaint Deceber decision Lake's Motion for a do-over on Count II Maricopa Response Exhibit in Maricopa Response: Scott Jarret Declaration Judge's Decision Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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VitalSigns posted:
Over the years, I've legit heard scores of people championing the idea of cutting off the hands of thieves. A lot of MAGACHUDS want to emulate the theocratic dictatorships of nations they presume to hate, so long as the theocracy in question is (their form of) Christianity.
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Saudi Arabia is becoming the drug capital of the Middle East https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/02/middleeast/saudi-drug-capital-mime-intl/index.html The penalty for selling drugs in Saudi Arabia is death and can also be applied to drug use. Real effective deterrent as you can see.
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I also recall people praising Singapore's approach to vandalism when that American kid got caned for spray painting something. They implied that by giving brutal punishment the place was very clean and safe, since people would be wary of running afoul of littering laws. Of course those people don't worry about being on the wrong end of these laws, after all, laws are meant to protect them and bind others, not the other way around.
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Panfilo posted:I also recall people praising Singapore's approach to vandalism when that American kid got caned for spray painting something. They implied that by giving brutal punishment the place was very clean and safe, since people would be wary of running afoul of littering laws.
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I went down a rabbit hole of sorts and stumbled upon this interview with the wife of the founder of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNJ1qXe60is It's pretty long and occasionally heartbreaking but I found it worth a listen. It touches on the influence of many things that come up here BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jun 6, 2023 |
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BiggerBoat posted:I went down a rabbit hole of sorts and stumbled upon this interview with the wife of the founder of The Proud Boys that sheds a lot of light on the mindset and mannerisms of people who get caught up in that. It's what you'd expect in a fair sense but it was interesting hearing someone share first hand knowledge of it with someone they legit loved That's the Oath Keepers founder's wife, not the Proud Boys.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Speaking of grifters, there’s good old Bill Mitchell Holy poo poo, I thought Bill Mitchell was dead. That might be an effect of being banned on Twitter previously, but still I thought he'd like, had a heart attack and dropped out of society or something.
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PT6A posted:That's the Oath Keepers founder's wife, not the Proud Boys. Thanks. Fixed Kinda curious to see how RWM comes out on the merger between the PGA and LIV. Golf is a very conservative sport and the vast majority of the people who play it and work at it are pretty square and like to do the Support the Troops stuff, etc. I caught a little bit of talk radio today and a few callers were actually railing on the Saudi's involvement in 9/11, which might have been a nice thing to focus on prior to whatever the Iraq invasion was about, but it still took me by surprise. It's a predominantly white sport driven by wealthy people and I know that money Trumps everything (so to speak) but the deal has a bit of a stink to it that I think even die hard conservative capitalists who play and watch this dumb sport might struggle to mentally justify. I'm probably kidding myself because all it takes is 24-48 hours of FOX telling people why this is really a good thing. But even the local sports talk show I listen to a little bit - which never gets into politics - seemed to have some upset people calling in. Here's what I'm talking about for people who don't give a gently caress about golf and the elitists that play it. https://www.reuters.com/sports/golf/pga-tour-european-tour-liv-golf-announce-merger-2023-06-06/ IIRC, I think Trump has some stake or connection to the LIV thing or something also so it'll be interesting to hear what he thinks about it if anyone asks him. If he says it's great (for him), that'll be all CHUDS need to hop on board. But, again, it was really REALLY odd listening to random conservative callers invoke 9/11 and the Saudis' role in it, even on sports radio.
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^^^Yes^^^...! posted:They're already throwing a shitfit over it. Except Trump has already weight in Donald Trump calls shock PGA Tour-LIV Golf partnership ‘big, beautiful, and glamorous deal’ for golf https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/06/golf/donald-trump-pga-tour-liv-golf-partnership-reaction-spt-intl/index.html So by tomorrow, we'll forget all about 9/11 because Trump said a thing and it'll be how liberals think something or whatever. quote:Former US President Donald Trump called the shock partnership between the PGA Tour and LIV Golf a “big, beautiful, and glamorous deal” for golf. DOnald said it's awesome. That's all these idiots need. Man, gently caress golf
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The people most likely to be upset by the merger are pencil-necked human rights advocate types (i.e. smelly hippies with blue hair and pronouns), and so chuds will support the merger because it upsets those people and makes them mad and angry. The chud rubric is pretty simple: - Does this thing upset the libz? Then I'm all for it. - Do the libz support this thing? Then I'm 100% against it. Pissing off libz is really all they care about.
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FMguru posted:The people most likely to be upset by the merger are pencil-necked human rights advocate types (i.e. smelly hippies with blue hair and pronouns), and so chuds will support the merger because it upsets those people and makes them mad and angry. Also: if it makes money it is good. The end. The callers I heard on what little radio I subjected myself to today were in a fit but now that Lord Trump has spoken I expect the discourse to be how this is a great victory a great american sport and what have you.
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Trump called the merger last July so they will all shift to praise it. Lindsey “Fake Patriotism and War Brings Me Orgasms” Graham has already said how amazing golf is and how this merger will bring the world together.
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Trump has been working directly with LIV the whole time so yeah he would be happy PGA had pulled his courses from hosting tournaments but LIV had a few events at them. You can pretty much bet that whatever this unholy PGA-Saudi company becomes will work with him
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bird food bathtub posted:Anybody got a line on which right wing media outlet is spouting off about how liberal commie cuck socialist cities refuse to prosecute for shoplifting now and that will be the downfall of western civilization when [CORPORATION X] pulls out of the latest city? My work CHUD barometer has been on a tear about it for two days now to anyone he can force the topic on. I assume some source of what I will sneeringly call "information" is pumping him up on this, it's not the usual off handed racism or fascist masturbatory fantasies that come and go. Been a pretty sustained topic he's been going off on. It made the rounds last year, some more news did a good follow up about it. Long story short, it was fake news. https://youtu.be/xN3BjkwK5CY Skip to 33:25 if the link doesn't.
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Now that CEO Chris Licht has absolutely destroyed CNNs reputation with right wing townhalls, he has now stepped down. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1666437493275729928 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1666427306867322880 OgNar fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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As others have discussed since this news came out, it’s unlikely that this really changes much because the same owners are in charge and they are right-wing
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So are they going to hire back all those people they fired right around when Licht signed on because they were considered too 'left-wing' like Brian Stelter? I'm gonna guess no.
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Mercury_Storm posted:So are they going to hire back all those people they fired right around when Licht signed on because they were considered too 'left-wing' like Brian Stelter? I'm gonna guess no. I think this is a bit of scapegoat-ing from the higher ups. They saw everything going pear shaped and wanted to blame Licht so out he goes. Thing is, he was the same kind of brain broken terminally-both-sides dipshit they are, just lower on the totem pole. Nobody was buying Licht's lies about not wanting to chase the chuds and become Fox-lite, especially not the ones wanting it to happen that put him in place to execute that plan for them.
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Yeah the whole thing just seemed bizarre and stupid to me, and I used to go to cnn.com and other news sites daily before cnn started pushing disingenuous right-wing bullshit. I gave them a few more chances, but when they fired Stelter I was done. The plan seemed like a charade to make the network more right-wing and if it didn't work then the owners didn't care.
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I assume CNN's logic was (and still is): - Young people don't watch cable news - Young people don't even have cable (cord cutting) - So the only left as a potential audience are old people (boomers) - Old people tend to be conservative - So the only way for us to grow our audience is to shift to the right and try to steal some of Fox 's viewers It's wasn't even ideology, it was just business. Whoever takes over after Licht will face the same business logic and do mostly the same things, they'll just try to do it in a less clumsy and oafish manner.
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FMguru posted:I assume CNN's logic was (and still is): It wasn't even smart business. Same mistake Dems make as someone else said. Cable news has essentially been polarized, you have to play to either the right or left. Tacking towards the middle alienates the left and the right mostly won't accept "conservative light" when they can get "conservative ultra-strong" readily from 3 other networks
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What's also bizarre to me is after four years of Trump, the Dobbs decision, etc. we are in a backlash period against the right-wing, so the decision to pivot to the right for CNN seemed more like a (perhaps kool-aid filled) plan to tank the network if they couldn't make it so rather than a sound business decision.
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Jaxyon posted:It wasn't even smart business. Same mistake Dems make as someone else said. Yeah. Why go to a FOX News tribute band when the original act is still touring?
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Jaxyon posted:Cable news has essentially been polarized, you have to play to either the right or left. Tacking towards the middle alienates the left and the right mostly won't accept "conservative light" when they can get "conservative ultra-strong" readily from 3 other networks I think this is a really good point. CNN is trying for the middle but the thing is the American public is already so polarized that there isn't a middle left? Fox News already has the right and liberals don't really watch nightly news but read books OR tune into something like MSNBC or PBS.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I think this is a really good point. CNN is trying for the middle but the thing is the American public is already so polarized that there isn't a middle left? Fox News already has the right and liberals don't really watch nightly news but read books OR tune into something like MSNBC or PBS. There's also the thing where if you plot political beliefs on two axes of fiscal and social issues, CNN and like every other company has tried to tack to the "social liberal, fiscal conservative" quadrant that holds basically zero people. Almost all the actual "moderates" that don't cluster toward the main body of Republicans and Democrats are fiscally liberal and socially conservative. Not only are they trying for a middle that basically doesn't exist, they're not even correctly targeting the segment of the middle that does remain. And if they did they'd likely alienate their lefter viewers even harder Tarezax fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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I think part of the issue there is that targeting the real middle as exists in modern polling would have too much "free college (for white people)" style things that would also alienate lots of others too.
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I think all of that is true and ironic part about all of this is that CNN along with other mainstream outlets is that they've caused the polarization that is making their job more difficult! If anything, I hope the network dies a slow painful death or basically the executives get fired, shareholders and owners loose it all.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Yeah. Why go to a FOX News tribute band when the original act is still touring? A significant number of CHUDs have decided that Fox News is too liberal, they definitely aren't going to switch to the "Clinton News Network" when Newsmax and OAN exist. That anyone thought this was a good idea is just more evidence falsifying the premise of a positive correlation between wealth and intelligence.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I think all of that is true and ironic part about all of this is that CNN along with other mainstream outlets is that they've caused the polarization that is making their job more difficult! If anything, I hope the network dies a slow painful death or basically the executives get fired, shareholders and owners loose it all.
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