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Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Polio Vax Scene posted:

I'm salary. I'm paid based on the work I get done. If you want to bullshit then do it on your own time, not during a mandatory meeting.

Get over yourself. You get paid to work 9-5 five days a week. If someone wastes a few minutes of your time socialising in a meeting that's hardly going to affect much. If its every meeting, that would be slightly different.

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i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

"I think if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s that Penn State and Michigan both suck and are garbage and it’s hilarious Michigan fans are freaking out thinking this is their natty window when they can’t even beat a B12 team in the playoffs lmao"

Agrikk posted:

Wait, what?

I’m salaried which means I get paid a flat rate per year. My job is to skew work/life balance as hard as I can in my favor without putting my career in jeopardy and while keeping myself entertained/engaged.

Agreed. Hate to tell you Polio but you got it backwards. Being salaried is the exact opposite of being paid for output. In both the literal textbook legalese way and also practically unless you have it backwards

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else

ElGroucho posted:

Seems like every SecOps team I've seen has one dude who did IT and switched to SecOps and knows what he's doing, and 5 fresh out of college kids who know a lot of the theory and jackshit else

From the SecOps side of this: you are 100% correct. Simply expand the ratio as necessary to fill team size.

Goffer
Apr 4, 2007
"..."
5 minutes of socialising in the morning and standup going 5 min over because of it is great, it's called team bonding, especially needed in a remote working environment. You're not going to do anything productive in that 5 min anyway.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Agrikk posted:

I’m salaried which means I get paid a flat rate per year. My job is to skew work/life balance as hard as I can in my favor without putting my career in jeopardy and while keeping myself entertained/engaged.

not empty quoting this SO HARD

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

ElGroucho posted:

This hits a little too close to home. SecOps: We'll automate patch deployment!

1 week later: "How do you deploy an application? I'm getting an IIS error. What does that mean?"

Seems like every SecOps team I've seen has one dude who did IT and switched to SecOps and knows what he's doing, and 5 fresh out of college kids who know a lot of the theory and jackshit else
My brief time in a SOC says that this dude is the manager and he's too busy to do poo poo. I was kind of horrified that I was thrown in at the deep end when another consultant pissed off the client and my six month internship a decade previously meant they had me train up two other people to replace me.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

ElGroucho posted:

Seems like every SecOps team I've seen has one dude who did IT and switched to SecOps and knows what he's doing, and 5 fresh out of college kids who know a lot of the theory and jackshit else

Oh, I see we’ve met. I switched over from infrastructure a couple of years ago and I spend 60% of my time explaining basic how-computing-works topics to my own team (yes, the automation people need local admin on their build VMs to make packages; no, it’s not reasonable to just require everyone to use Edge on their Macs; no, you can’t “escalate it” and make that DNS change propagate faster).

The rest of my time is spent waiting to be told it’s ok to do my job. Active attack on a public system and we need to write a rule to stop it? Change call is on Friday, rear end in a top hat, hope the app server makes it till then. Zero-day and we need a patch pushed out ASAP? Too bad, that team just started a sprint, so maybe we’ll squeeze it in next time.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Someone drive their car into my apartment building last night.

They took out my air conditioning unit and also, uh, the building may not be structurally sound anymore.

So that’s what’s pissing me off.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Was your apartment building wearing its high vis vest and helmet??????

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





teethgrinder posted:

Was your apartment building wearing its high vis vest and helmet??????

https://i.imgur.io/h0WbNoi_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

🛑 Don't get your pen🖊️, son, you won't be 👌 needing that 😌. My 🥡 order's 💁 simple😉, a shitload 💩 of dim sims 🌯🀄. And I want a bucket 🪣 of soya sauce☕😋.

Agrikk posted:

Wait, what?

I’m salaried which means I get paid a flat rate per year. My job is to skew work/life balance as hard as I can in my favor without putting my career in jeopardy and while keeping myself entertained/engaged.

Entergagement was right there.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Sonic Dude posted:

Oh, I see we’ve met. I switched over from infrastructure a couple of years ago and I spend 60% of my time explaining basic how-computing-works topics to my own team (yes, the automation people need local admin on their build VMs to make packages; no, it’s not reasonable to just require everyone to use Edge on their Macs; no, you can’t “escalate it” and make that DNS change propagate faster).

The rest of my time is spent waiting to be told it’s ok to do my job. Active attack on a public system and we need to write a rule to stop it? Change call is on Friday, rear end in a top hat, hope the app server makes it till then. Zero-day and we need a patch pushed out ASAP? Too bad, that team just started a sprint, so maybe we’ll squeeze it in next time.
You've found yourself in the absolute worst position it's possible to be in for a security bod. Time to consider a move.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

ConfusedUs posted:

Someone drive their car into my apartment building last night.

They took out my air conditioning unit and also, uh, the building may not be structurally sound anymore.

So that’s what’s pissing me off.

Did you log a ticket with your building provider?

codo27
Apr 21, 2008



Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Wizard of the Deep
Sep 25, 2005

Another productive workday

codo27 posted:



Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

What, those are new-in-bag server RAID drives?

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

Wizard of the Deep posted:

What, those are new-in-bag server RAID drives?

It's none of your concern

Sywert of Thieves
Nov 7, 2005

The pirate code is really more of a guideline, than actual rules.

That's gotta be one of those fake usb drives right, that pretends to be a ridiculous size but discards any writes beyond 1Gb or so.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Sywert of Thieves posted:

That's gotta be one of those fake usb drives right, that pretends to be a ridiculous size but discards any writes beyond 1Gb or so.

Best case, yes. Worst case it's off Wish and jam packed with spyware.

RoboBoogie
Sep 18, 2008

codo27 posted:



Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i used to buy that model of flash drives, they would do the branding and preload literature. since the data was less than a gig we would create a second partition that is read/write.


they have software where you can manipulate the drive and so on

DelphiAegis
Jun 21, 2010

RoboBoogie posted:

i used to buy that model of flash drives, they would do the branding and preload literature. since the data was less than a gig we would create a second partition that is read/write.


they have software where you can manipulate the drive and so on

I swear I either saw some video or some explanation that it's cheaper to put a controller on every chip they make to manage the memory. They then query this controller to know how many parts of the memory are bad, and which can be used to read/write and sort them into sizes to sell to the customer from there.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

The only reason it was of note to me is based on the guys other listings, he has some sort of IT background. So he either knows they are a scam and is scamming others, or got scammed himself...and is still scamming others unknowingly. Someone's tried to talk some sense to him based on the updated listing title.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I've never seen a drive packaged in that spinning around cover thing be anything other than poo poo

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
They're the kind of thing you used to get for free at careers events and you would be all "cool free flash drive" until you popped them into your college laptop and it was like 128MB and just had a PDF and a shortcut link to a company's website. Then it goes on the pile of flash drives too small to steal one DVD rip .avi file with.

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


Arquinsiel posted:

They're the kind of thing you used to get for free at careers events and you would be all "cool free flash drive" until you popped them into your college laptop and it was like 128MB and just had a PDF and a shortcut link to a company's website. Then it goes on the pile of flash drives too small to steal one DVD rip .avi file with.

I usually find them in parking lots and then I plug them into my company's computers because I am incredibly smart.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

Arquinsiel posted:

You've found yourself in the absolute worst position it's possible to be in for a security bod. Time to consider a move.

I agree. I’m trying to get a couple SANS classes or something on my way out the door. Maybe I’ll fly too close to the sun and ask them to pay for CISSP.

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

Polio Vax Scene posted:

I'm salary. I'm paid based on the work I get done. If you want to bullshit then do it on your own time, not during a mandatory meeting.

As someone who was salary for two decades, this is not how you play the game, unless you want to be completely burned out in ten years.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

Arquinsiel posted:

You've found yourself in the absolute worst position it's possible to be in for a security bod. Time to consider a move.

Well poo poo, it's the exact same situation I'm in. 17 years of desktop and server support administration, pivoted to security engineer. I now work with tons of people who "work with IT security" but don't know poo poo about computers.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



tango alpha delta posted:

As someone who was salary for two decades, this is not how you play the game, unless you want to be completely burned out in ten years.

Yeah, I'm salary and when things aren't busy our team meetings are at least half chatting about life with each other. Call it "building team cohesion" or whatever.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Polio Vax Scene posted:

I'm salary. I'm paid based on the work I get done. If you want to bullshit, do it on your own time, not during a mandatory meeting.

What the heck is this? You aren't getting paid based on the work done; you are getting paid for your expertise. If you can do half the work and still get paid the same, why wouldn't you?

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



You are all correct. I reflected on the feedback here and gave an apology to the individual I was referring to. I may never be able to make myself care about their personal lives, but I recognize that it's fundamental to team building and will be more patient in the future.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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evobatman posted:

Well poo poo, it's the exact same situation I'm in. 17 years of desktop and server support administration, pivoted to security engineer. I now work with tons of people who "work with IT security" but don't know poo poo about computers.

The cursed knowledge of "how computers work". I want to be a smooth brain year one security engineer. They seem to have a much simpler life.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

evobatman posted:

Well poo poo, it's the exact same situation I'm in. 17 years of desktop and server support administration, pivoted to security engineer. I now work with tons of people who "work with IT security" but don't know poo poo about computers.
It's not just working with people who are clueless, it's working with people who are clueless and loving poo poo up, while being prevented from doing actual work by bad processes. You'll then get it in the neck from the same management who ignored your requests to fix stuff when something does happen to the exact stuff you requested to fix.

xsf421
Feb 17, 2011

Arquinsiel posted:

It's not just working with people who are clueless, it's working with people who are clueless and loving poo poo up, while being prevented from doing actual work by bad processes. You'll then get it in the neck from the same management who ignored your requests to fix stuff when something does happen to the exact stuff you requested to fix.

Infosec at my last company told us they weren’t approving any more smb shares, and were going to start prisma alerting on them. They didn’t seem to have any idea what an smb share was, or the impact of unilaterally deciding to ban them with no notice. Some VP rained fire in them and had it reversed in about a day.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Polio Vax Scene posted:

You are all correct. I reflected on the feedback here and gave an apology to the individual I was referring to. I may never be able to make myself care about their personal lives, but I recognize that it's fundamental to team building and will be more patient in the future.

Good on you. And for talking about it here. Goon success story.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

xsf421 posted:

Infosec at my last company told us they weren’t approving any more smb shares, and were going to start prisma alerting on them. They didn’t seem to have any idea what an smb share was, or the impact of unilaterally deciding to ban them with no notice. Some VP rained fire in them and had it reversed in about a day.
I've had a network engineer tell me that after Wannacry there's no reason for port 445 to be open on any device. I listed out the number of valid business cases and mitigations against MS17-010 that make it way less problematic and the kinds of counter-arguments I got were "nobody needs to print anyway". That vuln scared the poo poo out of half the planet.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Internet Explorer posted:

Good on you. And for talking about it here. Goon success story.

Yeah that's pretty cool!

dc3k
Feb 18, 2003

what.

Polio Vax Scene posted:

I'm salary. I'm paid based on the work I get done. If you want to bullshit then do it on your own time, not during a mandatory meeting.

that's commission dumbass

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Arquinsiel posted:

I've had a network engineer tell me that after Wannacry there's no reason for port 445 to be open on any device. I listed out the number of valid business cases and mitigations against MS17-010 that make it way less problematic and the kinds of counter-arguments I got were "nobody needs to print anyway". That vuln scared the poo poo out of half the planet.

solid counter actually, nobody should print

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

vanity slug posted:

solid counter actually, nobody should print
Perhaps, but telling them they can't when they think they need to means they find their own way to print. Might involve trucking company data off to an internet cafe on a USB stick or similar stupidity. Best to just let them print in the office.

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MiniFoo
Dec 25, 2006

METHAMPHETAMINE

dc3k posted:

that's commission dumbass

lol

vanity slug posted:

solid counter actually, nobody should print

lmao

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