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Lady Radia posted:it was awful hating 8 and finding the only people who agreed with me were effectively Nazis Lol, I had the same problem with the Netflix Master's of the Universe series, Revelations. Like I hated the Teela redesign but that was mostly because it completely clashed with the characters who were still showing up in their classic outfits. Phylodox posted:Best thing about Rise of Skywalker was when I told my wife that there was no Baby Yoda merchandise because someone in Disney corporate thought the D-0 droid would be the big moneymaker and she replied “You thought the toy aisles would be full of Baby Yodas, but it was me, D-0.” Their excuse for no Baby Yoda merch was that they wanted the character reveal to be a surprise but that doesn't explain why it took them so long to actually start putting it out.
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Jun 8, 2023 01:58
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I think it was because they were blindsided by Baby Yoda's popularity.
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the best part of modern star wars is herzog calling them outquote:After a take using the puppet, the crew got ready for another take without the puppet “in case they decided during postproduction that the puppet wasn’t convincing enough and a digital version had to be substituted.” quote:Herzog had a reaction that is instantly iconic: “You are cowards,” the director said. “Leave it.”
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Lady Radia posted:it was awful hating 8 and finding the only people who agreed with me were effectively Nazis I felt the same way. There I am, salty because it felt like Johnson took a huge steaming poo poo on Luke Skywalker and did everything he could to turn him into a sad, scared, shell of a man who got spooked so badly by a loving sock puppet account that he turned his nephew to the dark side and got all of his padawans murdered in the span of an evening, but then all I see are people raging and foaming at the mouth because Rey was allowed to be good at literally anything (which obviously made her a Mary Sue), or completely apoplectic that Kelly Marie Tran exists.
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Jun 8, 2023 02:39
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Alaois posted:i feel like people are forgetting that Palpatine coming back to life happened in Fortnite and the opening text crawl of episode 9 referenced this Wait, what? Oh my God, that's even worse than the opening of uhhh The Revenge of the Sith requiring knowledge of that Cline Wars cartoon.
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muscles like this! posted:Their excuse for no Baby Yoda merch was that they wanted the character reveal to be a surprise but that doesn't explain why it took them so long to actually start putting it out. Wasn’t there also a concern that one of the manufacturers might accidentally leak Baby Yoda, so they didn’t even start production of merchandise until it’d been revealed on screen?
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Jun 8, 2023 02:49
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Accidentally.
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Arivia posted:Don’t forget you can find out how Palpatine returned in a cross-media promotion with fuckin Fortnite. Alaois posted:i feel like people are forgetting that Palpatine coming back to life happened in Fortnite and the opening text crawl of episode 9 referenced this Mad Hamish posted:Wait, what? Oh my God, that's even worse than the opening of uhhh The Revenge of the Sith requiring knowledge of that Cline Wars cartoon. NO HE DIDN'T. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. That is literally not what happened. We already knew Palpatine was coming back. He was at the convention that announced the movie and his laugh was at the end of the original trailer. You want to know what happened in Fortnite? The Millenium Falcon came down, JJ Abrams came out, and showed a clip from the movie. Then he talked about great the movie was going to be, got back in the Falcon, and was chased off by Imperial ships. Then Palaptine's voice came up saying 'THE DAY OF THE SITH IS AT HAND LOL gently caress THE JEDI' and everyone got a lightsaber to fight with. I get that hating on Fortnite is popular but there's a whole of actual things to complain about with Episode 9, we don't have to believe a lie about what happened in Fortnite if we want to complain about the movie. 
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Jun 8, 2023 03:05
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Vandar posted:NO HE DIDN'T. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. That is literally not what happened. lol what the gently caress is this post?
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Jun 8, 2023 03:10
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Vandar posted:NO HE DIDN'T. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. That is literally not what happened. sorry pal, it happened in Fortnite, i was there
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Vandar posted:NO HE DIDN'T. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. That is literally not what happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u0ejXC7kFs 
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The thing that happened in the title crawl happened in fortnite dude
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No no you see palpatine didn't come back in fortnite, something much more elaborate and cringey happened in fortnite, and then palpatine's voice was broadcast to all players. You see??? He didn't come back in fortnite, they just had him be there without him actually coming back ever!
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Mad Hamish posted:Wait, what? Oh my God, that's even worse than the opening of uhhh The Revenge of the Sith requiring knowledge of that Cline Wars cartoon. the Clone Wars mini series cartoon is good though? great Genndy Tartakovsky stuff. Also probably the only time General Grievous is badass and threatening . (havent since much of the other cgi toons, maybe some Star Wars nerd can correct me)
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Jun 8, 2023 03:21
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You don’t need to know what happened in the cartoon. The crawl says it all. Palpatine got napped by a robot man and anakin and obi wan are saving him
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PhazonLink posted:Also probably the only time General Grievous is badass and threatening . (havent since much of the other cgi toons, maybe some Star Wars nerd can correct me) They also realised that it was really awkward to have him not able to meet one of the main characters so he is in far less of the show than you might expect.
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its very important we know that Windu 1) can take on a whole droid army without a saber because he's just that awesome. (also the force dis assemble is cool as eff and would be cool in "liveaction" cgi) 2) he force crushed GG's chest and thats why he jobs in episode 3.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Related, I rewatched the Nic Cage action move Con Air recently and it struck me how Steve Buscemi's insane serial killer character is coded as being super scary and dangerous throughout the first half of the film but in the second half he gets treated as if his character has been redeemed and is given a stereotypical 'happy' ending at a table at Vegas cheerfully gambling away someone else's money and sipping on a cocktail. Wading through the starwar chat here to say I'm glad someone else notices this weird feature of Con Air (as well as the idea that a bunch of lifer criminals are going to all pull together as a team, and not instantly run away/stab each other in the back the second they get a chance). But Steve B, yeah. What are we meant to think when he's taking tea with the little girl? That he's being redeemed somehow? By the way, that is not a sweet little girl, she looks like a total demon urchin in a blasted-out hellscape, maybe Steve B was creeped out and scared straight by the whole thing.
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Zaroff posted:Wasn’t there also a concern that one of the manufacturers might accidentally leak Baby Yoda, so they didn’t even start production of merchandise until it’d been revealed on screen? Transformers toys have been showing that toy leaks are very real.
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Phylodox posted:Best thing about Rise of Skywalker was when I told my wife that there was no Baby Yoda merchandise because someone in Disney corporate thought the D-0 droid would be the big moneymaker and she replied “You thought the toy aisles would be full of Baby Yodas, but it was me, D-0.” holy poo poo
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I wonder if Buscemi's role was added late and entirely because they got Buscemi and he has a serious "this guy is really loving weird and creepy but I also like him" vibe. Make him the weird creep you can't help but love!
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PhazonLink posted:the Clone Wars mini series cartoon is good though? great Genndy Tartakovsky stuff. Yeah but if you live somewhere where there's no cable TV and you don't have satellite then it's pretty loving confusing when all of a sudden a four-armed lightsabre-wielding robot with a human heart shows up, beseiges Coruscant, and has taken Palps hostage for ???reasons???
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Jun 8, 2023 04:29
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That last Star Wars movie was terrible, but it did have a cavalry charge on the outside of a spaceship, which was the most balls-out action sequence concept in YEARS.
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the_steve posted:I felt the same way. Everyone wanted Luke to be some badass action hero but his idol is a rude weird hermit and his finishing move was putting his sword away and refusing to fight. This was the best possible direction to take Luke in.
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its good that luke wanted to murder a child. thats a normal path for his character to grow in
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Cynic Mark Hamill and straight man Daisy Ridley are the highlight of that entire trilogy, while everything else about it is boring and loud. The Johnson one isn’t as stupid as the final one, but it’s just as loving aimless and boring. There’s not an actor in those movies whose talent isn’t completely wasted by poor writing, poor direction, poor editing.
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PhazonLink posted:is that the ball bot? I love the droids in star wars they did not need a 4th droid, especially since it didn't really do anything in the film
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Baron von Eevl posted:I wonder if Buscemi's role was added late and entirely because they got Buscemi and he has a serious "this guy is really loving weird and creepy but I also like him" vibe. Make him the weird creep you can't help but love! I guess we just need to accept that Con Air is the high point of stupid movies, nothing makes sense, just go with it.
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They never did explain how John Malkovich could teleport from the Vegas strip to an industrial site mid-fall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdfG7mikHAc&t=120s
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Mad Hamish posted:Wait, what? Oh my God, that's even worse than the opening of uhhh The Revenge of the Sith requiring knowledge of that Cline Wars cartoon. "Begun, the Cline Wars have." Yoda declared from the back of my Delorean as we flew through a Stargate and soared past the Iron Giant.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Nah, I can see an argument for it. It's easier to not put in the effort, because Disney knows that nerds will obsess over new movies regardless and they want to you to subscribe to their streaming service, not buy dvds.
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Mad Hamish posted:Yeah but if you live somewhere where there's no cable TV and you don't have satellite then it's pretty loving confusing when all of a sudden a four-armed lightsabre-wielding robot with a human heart shows up, beseiges Coruscant, and has taken Palps hostage for ???reasons??? wait, are you being serious? Every Star Wars movie starts with big reveals like that, most especially the prequels (unless this is a "the prequels are garbage" bit, in which case, ok). I remember seeing Episode 3 in the theatre and I didn't watch any of the Clone Wars shorts either, it wasn't important for who GG was in the film, just like it wasn't important who Boba Fett was in Empire, even if you were one of the few who had seen the Holiday Special.
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FWIW I recall the fortnite crew saying that the Emperors message had already been cut from the movie before they were given their pick of assets and stuff to use for the event. I still think having that great line reading boom out after the Lucas film logo but before the credits would have been the best possible way to start episode 9 as is… or you know, come up with a trilogy plan and actually set stuff up and not sabotage each other but I’m not a big shot Hollywood guy so 
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well why not posted:the best part of modern star wars is herzog calling them out I think the same thing could be said about them putting R2D2 and C3PO into the prequels. They were too cowardly to let the movie have a completely new set of faces.
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the holy poopacy posted:Everyone wanted Luke to be some badass action hero but his idol is a rude weird hermit and his finishing move was putting his sword away and refusing to fight. This was the best possible direction to take Luke in. Exactly. The last thing we see Luke do with a lightsaber in Return of the Jedi is throw it away and refuse to fight. The first thing we see Luke do with a lightsaber in The Last Jedi is throw it away and try to educate Rey on the importance of not fighting. Plus we get to see him emulating Yoda as a weird hermit, and treating the old Jedi Order with the amount of respect it deserves (i.e. none, they were just an incompetent and bureaucratic nightmare that couldn't not bully a child and drive him into the hands of the sith lord that lives next door, which also they don't know about because they're too loving stupid). We see him embodying the many virtues Yoda spoke of in Empire, and trying to pass them on to Rey. Then at the end he saves the day by sacrificing himself, just like his other mentor did back in the first Star Wars. That stuff is all awesome, and a natural evolution of his role in the story and his character arc, imo. Is it a bit weird that he would go so far as to, even momentarily, contemplate defending the galaxy from Kylo Ren of the future by killing the Ben Solo of the present? Yeah, it's a bit weird, but it's framed as a moment of weakness that he feels great shame for. It's not, like, the core of his new character. So I don't understand why so many people (including Mark Hammill himself apparently) think that episode 8 did something bad to Luke's characterization. It's episode 9 that actually eviscerated his character. Luke actually loves lightsabers now, he's a huge fan of violence actually. The jedi order? Luke actually loves them now; tradition is more important than all that stuff about "being a good person" and "not being a moron."
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Phylodox posted:Best thing about Rise of Skywalker was when I told my wife that there was no Baby Yoda merchandise because someone in Disney corporate thought the D-0 droid would be the big moneymaker and she replied “You thought the toy aisles would be full of Baby Yodas, but it was me, D-0.” Lol, not bad at all
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Aces High posted:wait, are you being serious? Every Star Wars movie starts with big reveals like that, most especially the prequels (unless this is a "the prequels are garbage" bit, in which case, ok). I remember seeing Episode 3 in the theatre and I didn't watch any of the Clone Wars shorts either, it wasn't important for who GG was in the film, just like it wasn't important who Boba Fett was in Empire, even if you were one of the few who had seen the Holiday Special. Eh, I see their point. The previous movies usually didn't throw you straight into the action and just tell you new characters were a thing now. Boba Fett gets an actual introduction. Hell, the one other movie that does very much start in the thick of it is A New Hope and even then Darth Vader gets some degree of establishment. Like I guess you can argue that we don't see the Death Star plans being stolen and we don't actually see the initial confrontation between the Tantive IV and the Star Destroyer but there's still a bit more build-up than "oh poo poo they got Palpatine somehow off-camera and we're literally in our ships right now zipping off to save him in a big space battle!!". Empire sure as hell didn't start with the actual Battle of Hoth... It also doesn't help that, while again the other films also aren't immediate sequels, Episode 2 is the beginning of the Clone Wars and then 3 starts with...basically the beginning of the end of the Clone Wars. There's a much more conspicuous time gap, sort of like the jump from 1->2 where we then get told after the fact that Anakin and Obi-wan went on all sorts of wacky adventures and are totally best friends now, but writ large. And back in '77 there wasn't a giant media machine conveniently ready to sell you books/comics/cartoons/whatever explaining what happened during all that missing time, including how they nabbed ole Sheev.
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Alaois posted:who among us hasn't thought very hard and very seriously about murdering a child in his sleep based entirely on vibes, he even felt bad about it My point is that he didn't think very hard and very seriously, and by "vibes" you mean "he saw the future (where Ben murders hojillions of people) with his magic powers". if you went back in time and met teenage hitler, you'd think about it for a lot longer than luke did
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