Tai posted:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1666497486964285448

loving hell. Just full on mask off fash. There was another country who talked like this 80 years ago...

And tankies simp for this lot lol

Tai posted:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1666497486964285448

loving hell. Just full on mask off fash. There was another country who talked like this 80 years ago...

And tankies simp for this lot lol

CSM posted:

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1666464813084549126?t=4WhCyd5zVWg0NLbX1-ILwg&s=19

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

The bouncing bomb was a special designed bomb that required a very exact attack profile and also placement in the depths of the water storage to work - Too far away did nothing. Just throwing a missile or hurling a handful of artillery will not work. One of the bouncing bombs exploded at the base of a dam and didnt even scratch it

Douche Wolf 89 posted:

uhhh sure but i'm saying "Dams are beefy but they're not designed to counter munitions" based off wiki and i guess that ep of the simpsons with niles is dumb. they are now and have been ever since someone paying for one to last longer than a war thought "what if they drag a cannon over there?" it's vital infrastructure an enemy would definitely target, not a rinky dink money laundering operation lol

Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:

Aren't nuclear power plant containment vessels built to withstand direct attack for a reasonable amount of time too?

Douche Wolf 89 posted:

uhhh sure but i'm saying "Dams are beefy but they're not designed to counter munitions" based off wiki and i guess that ep of the simpsons with niles is dumb. they are now and have been ever since someone paying for one to last longer than a war thought "what if they drag a cannon over there?" it's vital infrastructure an enemy would definitely target, not a rinky dink money laundering operation lol

quote:

In his first comments since the destruction of a strategic Russian-controlled dam in southern Ukraine, Russia President Vladimir Putin blamed Ukraine for the extensive damage and called the actions of those responsible “barbaric.”

Putin told Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in a phone call on Wednesday the blast that destroyed the dam was a “barbaric action” that “led to a large-scale environmental and humanitarian catastrophe,” according to a Kremlin statement.

Just one problem: The West says Putin was the one responsible.

Both Russia and Ukraine have blamed one another for the alleged explosion that destroyed the dam and forced the evacuation of thousands of people, a rescue effort largely facilitated by Ukraine.

Damage to Ukraine’s Nova Kakhovka dam, which has unleashed massive flooding in the Kherson region, could be a potential war crime, EU and Ukrainian leaders said Tuesday.

Putin, according to the Kremlin’s readout, was undeterred in his call with the Turkish leader, saying that “the Kyiv authorities, at the suggestion of their Western curators, are still making a dangerous bet on the escalation of hostilities, commit war crimes, openly use terrorist methods, and organize sabotage on Russian territory.”

zone posted:

Link

gently caress you rear end in a top hat. makes it so this is all I can say concerning this baldfaced lie, so I'll leave it at that.

HonorableTB posted:

Looks like it's popping off in Zaporzhzhia

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1666578129341632514?t=FBWWeMEQjk1it64HrtdiNQ&s=19

CSM posted:

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1666464813084549126?t=4WhCyd5zVWg0NLbX1-ILwg&s=19

Guardian posted:

A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.

Rasmussen, who has been acting as official adviser to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, on Ukraine’s place in a future European security architecture, has been touring Europe and Washington to gauge the shifting mood before the critical summit starts on 11 July.

He also warned that even if a group of states did provide Ukraine with security guarantees, others would not allow the issue of Ukraine’s future Nato membership to be kept off the agenda at Vilnius.

He made his remarks as the current Nato chief, Jens Stoltenberg, said the issue of security guarantees would be on the agenda at Vilnius, but added that Nato – under article 5 of the Washington treaty – only provided full-fledged security guarantees to full members.

The US ambassador to Nato, Julianne Smith, said: “We are looking at an array of options to signal that Ukraine is advancing in its relationship with Nato.”

Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.

“I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius. We shouldn’t underestimate the Polish feelings, the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.”

He said it would be entirely legal for Ukraine to seek such military assistance.

His striking suggestion that some states may regard the stakes as momentous enough to use their own troops could be seen as a warning to countries that the risks, including the threat to Nato unity, do not only come if Ukraine is provided a quick path to Nato membership, or powerful security guarantees. Germany remains wary of going too far, fearing it would provoke Russia.

Rasmussen said it was imperative that Ukraine should receive written security guarantees, preferably before the summit, but outside the Nato framework. These need to cover intelligence sharing, joint Ukraine training, enhanced ammunition production, Nato interoperability and a supply of arms sufficient to deter Russia from a further attack.

He said that “after a slow start, momentum was now building behind these ideas”, including in France.

But he warned that security guarantees would not be enough.

He said that “some Nato allies might be in favour of the security guarantees to actually avoid a real discussion on Ukraine’s membership aspirations. They hope that by providing security guarantees, they can avoid this question. I don’t think that is possible. I think the Nato issue will be raised at the summit in Vilnius. I’ve spoken with several eastern European leaders, and there is a group of hardcore, eastern central European allies that want at least a clear path for Ukraine towards Nato membership.”

He said history showed it was dangerous to leave Ukraine in the Nato waiting room indefinitely. Even if an invitation to Ukraine to join Nato could not be provided at the Vilnius summit, the possibility of extending an invitation in Washington next year could be referenced. That path to membership, he said, should exclude setting preconditions such as a Nato membership action plan, something neither Sweden nor Finland have been required to adopt as part of their membership path.

“Anything less than that would be a disappointment to Ukraine,” he said.

He rejected the argument that Ukraine could not be offered a path to Nato membership until the war was over, saying this would provide Putin with a veto.

HonorableTB posted:

I'm not sure what to make of this tbh

HonorableTB posted:

Huh.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/nato-members-may-send-troops-to-ukraine-warns-former-alliance-chief

I'm not sure what to make of this tbh

HonorableTB posted:

But anyway we're deep deep deep into Clancychat territory so I'll end it there

HonorableTB posted:

Huh.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/nato-members-may-send-troops-to-ukraine-warns-former-alliance-chief

I'm not sure what to make of this tbh

fatherboxx posted:

Street Fighter movie lied to me

Gejnor posted:

My friend this is GBS, not D&D, i say clancychat but with extra sprinkles such as "what if aliens" are fair game.

Horsebanger posted:

If Putin dressed as M. Bison I'd take him far more seriously.

Horsebanger posted:

If Putin dressed as M. Bison I'd take him far more seriously.

zone posted:

Comstar posted:

Looks like HIMARS hitting Tokmak. Looking at a map it’s got roads going everywhere and is a very obvious point of attack.

I’ve never heard of that town before today but I expect we’re going to hear about it a lot very shortly.

Comstar posted:

Looks like HIMARS hitting Tokmak. Looking at a map it’s got roads going everywhere and is a very obvious point of attack.

I’ve never heard of that town before today but I expect we’re going to hear about it a lot very shortly.

HonorableTB posted:

You're right about Tokmak's importance as a logistics hub. Tokmak correspondingly has been hit hard quite a bit during the shaping operations over the last month, and sporadically before that because as zone said, it's a locally important staging hub for logistics in south-central Ukraine

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

They are going for Tokmak and moving towards Mariupol. We are IN THIS!!!!

Discounter attack will attempt to cut the Russians into four sections. The crimean/kherson section, the melitpol section, Donetsk and Luhansk. Through taking tokmak and Alchevsk they will essentialy rip the rail head soon and stop the supply lines. This will allow decisive victory in the field if they pull it off.

If not we can look at a split between Crimea and donetsk via Mariupol.


I surmised that they would wish to block Crimea off from Putin's forces in Ukraine as those forces will be tantamount to the defense of the island. It looks like a drive to the Azov is their current maneuver but that could change.

SAY YOHO posted:

"zone's right about Tokmak's importance, because zone said..."

lol not trying to throw shade, it's just funny and you probs didn't mean it like that, but that was my read.

TulliusCicero posted:

Does Mariupol even exist as a functioning city/ port anymore? I remember the Russians pretty much obliterated it in their early war crimes.

TulliusCicero posted:

Does Mariupol even exist as a functioning city/ port anymore? I remember the Russians pretty much obliterated it in their early war crimes.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

The dam was blown up at 6:00 AM, on the 6th day, of the , 6th month.

Holy poo poo. No I'm not making that up.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

The dam was blown up at 6:00 AM, on the 6th day, of the , 6th month.

Holy poo poo. No I'm not making that up.