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VideoGameVet posted:It isn’t as simple as we were told. Even while Chamberlain was signing the Munich Agreement, he was agreeing a huge increase in spending to increase Britain's armament in preparation for war. The agreement bought Britain time to prepare for a war they knew was coming, independent of Chamberlain’s hope that Hitler would honor the agreement. It’s true we have the benefit of hindsight, but any strategy of playing for time also bought more time for Germany to continue arming.
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Gutfeld did an opening monologue about the PGA/Saudi Arabia thing, and he capped it off with a crack about Ilhan Omar marrying her brother “…allegedly” with a smirk I could somehow hear from a different floor from the house and oh god I loving hate him so much.
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Jun 8, 2023 07:12
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Dr Christmas posted:Gutfeld did an opening monologue about the PGA/Saudi Arabia thing, and he capped it off with a crack about Ilhan Omar marrying her brother “…allegedly” with a smirk I could somehow hear from a different floor from the house and oh god I loving hate him so much. I've seen bits and pieces of his show a few times when visiting my grandparents, and jesus christ the dude is the smuggest, most insufferable piece of poo poo I've ever had the misfortune to lay eyes on.
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Jun 8, 2023 07:17
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Probably because of this? The quoted article itself states that "Experts say Africa is one of the regions worst affected by climate change, with devastating droughts and flooding, although its citizens have had barely any impact on global warming compared to Western nations". African countries also rank relatively lower in terms of "per capita emission of greenhouse gases". For example: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita  That leaves only a limited selection of reasons why John Kerry would be particularly concerned about the birth rates of African countries.
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Jun 8, 2023 07:29
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Dr Christmas posted:Gutfeld did an opening monologue about the PGA/Saudi Arabia thing, and he capped it off with a crack about Ilhan Omar marrying her brother “…allegedly” with a smirk I could somehow hear from a different floor from the house and oh god I loving hate him so much. conservative "humor" is always a treat. for nobody.
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Jun 8, 2023 07:47
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fizzy posted:The quoted article itself states that "Experts say Africa is one of the regions worst affected by climate change, with devastating droughts and flooding, although its citizens have had barely any impact on global warming compared to Western nations". the article you linked seemed entirely clear about why it was being brought up? it was from a conversation primarily about overpopulation Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jun 8, 2023 07:57
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fizzy posted:The quoted article itself states that "Experts say Africa is one of the regions worst affected by climate change, with devastating droughts and flooding, although its citizens have had barely any impact on global warming compared to Western nations". That's also a fancy way of saying that African nations are impoverished and that getting a nation out of poverty traditionally involves a massive increase in their greenhouse gas emission per capita. Rapid population growth in an already crowded country doesn't make getting out of poverty easier, and it particularly complicates doing so with sustainable energies. Now it's fair to say that's still questionable since historically industrialization and improved standards of living lead to a much lower birthrate, but it's hard to say if that's just a rule of how it is or just because it created the circumstances that made more controlled family planning societally acceptable in the industrialized world. And these days even the poor parts of the world experienced the population boom associated with modern farming and medicine even if they didn't get the full benefit rich countries did: it's just that many of them are where it's still happening.
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Jun 8, 2023 08:18
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Heckling of African countries about their birth rate by a representative of one of the countries that has despoiled the continent over the past several centuries does not come across as constructive criticism between peers. It's condescending white man's burden poo poo. Poorer countries have higher birth rates. We in wealthy countries that got rich by making them poor can help by providing aid and/or reparations without strings attached so that they can get to a place where birth rates will fall. But we won't do that, we'll tell them they can't have the kids they want because Americans have to be able to have cheap meat (and a variety of consumer goods that are cheap because they get the externalities that made them cheap). [The myth of "consensual family planning" An African couple in bed. Man: I consent! Woman: I consent! Uncle Sam, hovering creepily: I don't! Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?] Adenoid Dan fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jun 8, 2023 08:45
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birth rates declining is honestly one of the most reliable outcomes of doing things like providing functioning social systems and education (both about sex, and in general) to your populace while also tearing down gender essentialist walls and patriarchal institution ... even if the latter condition usually lags far, far behind. This transformation is, in fact, so effective that you can usually end up with the inverse problem of unmanaged population decline, especially in the most rigorously "your life is now capitalism 24/7" countries like my own so the problem is usually one of these countries having been exploited for our entire lifetime and only barely being able to float above neoliberally imposed conditions. But that's usually a conversation most of the Ehrlich types don't want to have.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:10
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The Malthusian poo poo has pretty much always been a screaming dogwhistle from the very moment Europeans had the slightest idea of the population of non-white countries. Even if you explain to them the material reasoning and conditions, and that birthrates drop dramatically with development, they won't care. The problem is that too many of the wrong kind of people are being born, and they just currently have acceptable language to say that liberalishly.Orthanc6 posted:This is the issue the left, hell even the center faces, we're rapidly running out of time to use ethical means to solve the political, economic and environmental issues facing us. If Trump regains office I'd honestly put it on 50/50 for removing him from power by any means being necessary because he's already empirically demonstrated he intends to become a dictator for life. That option is well outside what would be considered ethical under "normal" circumstances, but that's what happens when evil is allowed to push the necessary response into the unethical. And even that isn't getting how into Trump isn't the problem, he's a symptom. Do you really think anything about Trump is unique or exceptional? Times like this you need to re-examine a lot of the terms of the paradigm you feel you're under- what those ethics are, what those means are, and what the left and the centre actually are.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:14
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He doesn't heckle african countries, nor does he say that they should have less children, nor does he blame these African countries for the effects of climate change. Some of you are really grasping for something to be angry about
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Jun 8, 2023 11:44
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Dubar posted:He doesn't heckle african countries, nor does he say that they should have less children, nor does he blame these African countries for the effects of climate change. Some of you are really grasping for something to be angry about Why did he bring it up at all?
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Jun 8, 2023 12:37
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Why did he bring it up at all? It's hard to know, given that the article does not provide the full transcript of the interview. We have four disconnected quotes from Kerry which are presumably responses to questions or part of some discussion, but we have nothing from the interviewer. A pessimistic reading of this might imply that whoever wrote the article was mining for quotes to get people mad at John Kerry, especially with the "but refrained from asking Americans to give up steaks" in the subtitle. Good job, I guess? Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jun 8, 2023 12:44
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Pat Robertson dead, post crabs
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Jun 8, 2023 13:18
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Failed Imagineer posted:Pat Robertson dead, post crabs You can connect a lot of modern american insanity back to the once significant power of him and the moral majority types, and the cultural backlash to these people being progressively forced to dress up or awkwardly drop a lot of their unveiled bigotry
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Jun 8, 2023 13:27
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Dubar posted:He doesn't heckle african countries, nor does he say that they should have less children, nor does he blame these African countries for the effects of climate change. Some of you are really grasping for something to be angry about ""I've been to a number of African countries where they're very proud of their increased birth rate but the fact is, it's unsustainable for life today, let alone when you add the future numbers," Kerry said." How do you read that as anything other than a criticism?
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Jun 8, 2023 13:34
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Probably because of this? Africa's fertility is normal when you compare it to the factors that influence fertility and compare to more developed nations. 
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Jun 8, 2023 14:05
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Failed Imagineer posted:Pat Robertson dead, post crabs One day, this hero will be remembered for helping destroy Christianity in America.
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Jun 8, 2023 14:07
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Gumball Gumption posted:Africa's fertility is normal when you compare it to the factors that influence fertility and compare to more developed nations. That graph really needs a clustering analysis done to be useful, but from eyeballing it it does appear that the center of mass for the sub-Saharan Africa data points is well into the "unusually high fertility" zone. Especially if the radius of those circles is being used to express population size of the data point as I suspect.
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Jun 8, 2023 14:13
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John Kerry has a certain track record when it comes to his messages to African countries.quote:https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/us-climate-envoy-kerry-calls-african-nations-help-curb-emissions-2022-09-15/
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Jun 8, 2023 14:13
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Kavros posted:birth rates declining is honestly one of the most reliable outcomes of doing things like providing functioning social systems and education (both about sex, and in general) to your populace while also tearing down gender essentialist walls and patriarchal institution ... even if the latter condition usually lags far, far behind. This transformation is, in fact, so effective that you can usually end up with the inverse problem of unmanaged population decline, especially in the most rigorously "your life is now capitalism 24/7" countries like my own Lowering birthrates by dramatically increasing the resource consumption and greenhouse gas emissions per person isn't exactly great for sustainability or the climate either.
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Jun 8, 2023 14:18
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Adenoid Dan posted:""I've been to a number of African countries where they're very proud of their increased birth rate but the fact is, it's unsustainable for life today, let alone when you add the future numbers," Kerry said." Dubar said heckling, you're saying criticism. Why change to a less loaded word? It *is* a criticism, but it's a very mild one. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jun 8, 2023 14:24
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Dubar said heckling, you're saying criticism. Why change to a less loaded word? Yeah, I said heckling earlier. It's just hyperbole to indicate that I find his criticism both baseless and in poor taste. Edit: you may find that a mild criticism, I don't at all. It's shifting blame from the people causing almost all of climate change to the people who will be most affected by it who have done the least to cause it.
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Jun 8, 2023 14:37
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Adenoid Dan posted:Yeah, I said heckling earlier. It's just hyperbole to indicate that I find his criticism both baseless and in poor taste. It's such a weird statement because like I said earlier it doesn't even play into what he then says are the things we can do about global warming. It's a non-sequitur about African birth rates being high and then explaining that actually they don't need to drop and the problem is how we produce food and that we need more efficient systems. But had to drop it in for some reason.
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Jun 8, 2023 14:48
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Failed Imagineer posted:Pat Robertson dead, post crabs How much evil did he perpetuate and encourage in life through his programs? Also, crab tax: 
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Jun 8, 2023 14:53
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Overpopulation is such a “babby’s first social awareness” thing and people think fretting about it makes them sound smart and serious. People on the left cite it in environmental conservations, people on the right cite it in economic/scarcity-related conversations. (And just to have some xenophobic jollies, as well.) It’s pretty far from being one of the biggest problems in the world. (Usually it’s aimed at the global south but it’s especially funny when they say that our giant empty-rear end country is overpopulated.) Obviously population cannot grow forever, but there’s also no reason to think that it will. It’s difficult to perceive but the curve is already bending - the rate of growth is slowing - and it’s pretty clear that the “steady state” of a modern prosperous country is stagnation or decrease. So if/when we distribute our resources justly then the population will stabilize on its own. So what Kerry said probably wasn’t necessary, but it wasn’t really a harmful message, and it’s the kind of thing that old men with prestigious but ultimately toothless jobs talk about. To say that the only possible interpretation of Kerry’s actions is racism, or a general desire for there to be less Africans or poor people in the world, ignores what makes population fall, and Kerry is probably smart enough to know it’s not former almost-Presidents scolding them. If you consider that the most proven strategy for reducing birth rates boils down to “improve quality of life” it’s hard for me to ascribe any kind of malice (or even apathy) to it. Main Paineframe posted:Lowering birthrates by dramatically increasing the resource consumption and greenhouse gas emissions per person isn't exactly great for sustainability or the climate either. And that’s why Kerry says, “Africa has to help fight climate change”: not because they need to cut their 0.55% of emissions, but because they need to keep sustainability and carbon efficiency in mind when developing, instead of just building a crap ton of cheap coal plants as industrializing countries did in the past. And the US government is providing aid to subsidize those goals, although probably not nearly as much as they should.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Pat Robertson dead, post crabs Watching some Pence clips from last nights town hall and the dude was just completely unmoored, trying to thread the needle between his version of moral movement conservativism and the grifting idolatry of modern conservatism. They spent 40 years developing that wing of the Republican party and it is almost entirely erased. Those mid 90s motherfuckers are dying off and there aren't new god botherers coming up to replace them. As central as they were to the political debates of the Clinton and Bush eras, and how quickly all that false morality collapsed once evangelicals realized they could just be racists is really shocking (and frustrating) for someone who grew up in that era.
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Randalor posted:How much evil did he perpetuate and encourage in life through his programs? I don't think there was a single thing that sack of poo poo did his entire adult life which wasn't enthusiastically self-serving evil
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Randalor posted:How much evil did he perpetuate and encourage in life through his programs? Instead of a laundry list, how about just the simple fact he was friends and business partners with Charles Taylor and Mobuto Sese Seko and used his religious networks to fund and exploit (in every sense of the word) diamond mines for profit. That's who Pat Robertson was.
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Jun 8, 2023 15:03
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I’m annoyed that the full interview with Kerry doesn’t seem to be online anywhere, except maybe if you pay for AFP, and all we have is out-of-context quotations.
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Jun 8, 2023 15:04
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Staluigi posted:I don't think there was a single thing that sack of poo poo did his entire adult life which wasn't enthusiastically self-serving evil A few years ago he called for marijuana to be legalized. I think that may be the extent of his "good works."
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Staluigi posted:I don't think there was a single thing that sack of poo poo did his entire adult life which wasn't enthusiastically self-serving evil Much like how Tucker will occasionally say something pro-labor before veering right back into being Tucker, Pat Robertson had moments where he was both pro-Trans rights and pro-BLM, surrounding the other 99.9% of the time he was an abhorrent monster. Mind you he went right on to demonizing BLM once he realized how the wind was blowing and the trans stuff was years back pre-culture war on them, he would've been Pat Robertsoning it up if he wasn't busy dying hopefully miserably.
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Adenoid Dan posted:Yeah, I said heckling earlier. It's just hyperbole to indicate that I find his criticism both baseless and in poor taste. Not really. Kerry isn't blaming Africa for climate change at all in those quotes, he's essentially saying a high birth rate isn't something to be proud of. I'm not sure if it is or it isn't something to be proud of, to be honest, but treating the quote as if Kerry said "African counties and their high birth rates are to blame for climate change" seems like a serious mischaracterization to me.
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fizzy posted:John Kerry has a certain track record when it comes to his messages to African countries. Again, cutting off half the article really paints a different picture. quote:Twenty countries, including the United States, are responsible for 80 percent of global emissions, Kerry said. Coal, oil and gas - drivers of the American economy - are the worst emitters, climate experts agree.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Pat Robertson dead, post crabs  I want you to imagine Robertson's final Earthly day. He muses on his career as an evangelist, and expects that, as a faithful servant of the Lord, he will ascend into the crystal-blue skies of Heaven via a beam of glorious celestial light on his passing. And instead, all he can see on the news are images of the skies turning murky and dark and all he can smell are smoke and fire.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Again, cutting off half the article really paints a different picture. Kerry didn't say that bolded part and it was added to provide context to what he said.
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delfin posted:
Unless his passing was just him shedding his mortal shell now that he has paved the way for his dark lord's ascension and turning the Earth into a literal Hell on Earth. Was Pat Robertson the antichrist all along? Did anyone happen to notice if he had a peculiar 666 birthmark?
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Who had Supreme Court forces Alabama to redraw maps to accommodate black voters on their card for today? https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/politics/supreme-court-alabama-voting-rights-milligan/index.html quote:The Supreme Court on Thursday ordered Alabama officials to redraw the state’s congressional map to allow an additional Black majority district to account for the fact that the state is 27% Black.
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Kalli posted:Much like how Tucker will occasionally say something pro-labor before veering right back into being Tucker, Pat Robertson had moments where he was both pro-Trans rights and pro-BLM, surrounding the other 99.9% of the time he was an abhorrent monster. somewhate related, SCOTUS apparent did a good voter rights thing? imo bad peeps like Pat, Tuck, or Court just do the occassional "good/correct" take just to throw a curve ball andor get good karma to spend/burn. Also is there a reason for da Crabs?
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