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Gumball Gumption posted:Kerry didn't say that bolded part and it was added to provide context to what he said. That first part of the sentence literally says, Kerry said the United States and 19 other countries account for 80% of the global greenhouse emissions. The second part adds the context.
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BDawg posted:Who had Supreme Court forces Alabama to redraw maps to accommodate black voters on their card for today? If Wasserman is right, good bye Speaker McCarthy hello Speaker Jeffries (I have no idea what the time line is for new maps, new elections, etc.) https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1666819545150144519
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Jun 8, 2023 16:05
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BDawg posted:Who had Supreme Court forces Alabama to redraw maps to accommodate black voters on their card for today? Ohio has been required to do this for years. They just keep providing bad maps and electing worse and worse R's under the illegal maps in the meanwhile
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Jun 8, 2023 16:06
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OctaMurk posted:Brett kavanaugh joined the liberals on this ? Yeah it's a shocking result, especially with Roberts writing the majority opinion, given his historical, ah, antipathy for the VRA. It's like Nader writing an anti-seatbelt book lol Harold Fjord posted:Ohio has been required to do this for years. They just keep providing bad maps and electing worse and worse R's under the illegal maps in the meanwhile I must regretfully inform you that this is an unequivocally good thing that has happened.
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OctaMurk posted:Brett kavanaugh joined the liberals on this ? I'm guessing he had either been drinking shortly before this came before them, or one of the 3 dem appointed judges figured out he could be bribed with beer. Either way I'm sure beer factored into this.
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Jun 8, 2023 16:13
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He's so pro segregation it transcends his desire to make democrats lose seats.
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Jun 8, 2023 16:15
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zoux posted:Yeah it's a shocking result, especially with Roberts writing the majority opinion, given his historical, ah, antipathy for the VRA. It's like Nader writing an anti-seatbelt book lol Yes but it also hasn't actually changed anything yet and depending on bullshit procedure plays, might be delayed for some time before it can.
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Harold Fjord posted:depending on bullshit procedure plays, might be delayed for some time before it can. The Ohio gerrymanders aren't actually being challenged in federal courts for violating Article II of the VRA but under anti-gerrymandering provisions of the Ohio state constitution. I'm sorry this single ruling didn't fix every electoral problem in America with one fell swoop but upholding rather than gutting the racial dilution provisions of the VRA is a huge, huge victory for everyone who isn't a conservative.
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Randalor posted:I'm guessing he had either been drinking shortly before this came before them, or one of the 3 dem appointed judges figured out he could be bribed with beer. Either way I'm sure beer factored into this. If Thomas gets $500,000 vacations for free, you’ve got to figure Kavanaugh gets a case of Heineken or something.
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zoux posted:The Ohio gerrymanders aren't actually being challenged in federal courts for violating Article II of the VRA but under anti-gerrymandering provisions of the Ohio state constitution. I'm sorry this single ruling didn't fix every electoral problem in America with one fell swoop but upholding rather than gutting the racial dilution provisions of the VRA is a huge, huge victory for everyone who isn't a conservative. Ok. I don't know that it means the ordered result will happen any time soon, which is all I said. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jun 8, 2023 16:48
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Very well.
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Jun 8, 2023 16:50
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Don't fall for this, people. There is surely an even more horrible, evil, and indefensible ruling coming soon and they're using this ruling as a buffer.
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Jun 8, 2023 16:53
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Not really. Kerry isn't blaming Africa for climate change at all in those quotes, he's essentially saying a high birth rate isn't something to be proud of. Can we not infer a reason why he would say that? Do we really have to pretend not to know the context of patronizing advice like this?
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Jun 8, 2023 17:10
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OctaMurk posted:Brett kavanaugh joined the liberals on this ? I’m not even sure we won’t see a repeat of Obergefell when trans rights cases start getting to them - Gorsuch seems to lean in the individual rights direction on the issue and Kavanaugh seems persuadable. Not in any sense saying that the composition of the court isn’t a huge problem, but Trump did accidentally pick two guys who actually think about their decisions, even if they usually come to the bad answer. Adenoid Dan posted:Can we not infer a reason why he would say that? Do we really have to pretend not to know the context of patronizing advice like this?
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Mellow Seas posted:No, we can’t really infer that from what he said at all. In fact, pointing out that 19 relatively wealthy nations produce 80% of the carbon seems like he’s doing the exact opposite. Why is he talking about overpopulation? What purpose does it serve? He just thinks it's not good to have more kids, no reason he just doesn't like it? Come on.
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Jun 8, 2023 17:23
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Adenoid Dan posted:Why is he talking about overpopulation? What purpose does it serve? He just thinks it's not good to have more kids, no reason he just doesn't like it? Come on. He's talking about overpopulation because the interviewer asked him about overpopulation. Even if there's no interview transcript, the article has not only been linked here but also had its full content copy-pasted here, and it's clear from the article that the interviewer brought up overpopulation first and asked Kerry to respond to it.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Don't fall for this, people. There is surely an even more horrible, evil, and indefensible ruling coming soon and they're using this ruling as a buffer. Agreed. I get the feeling they're doing this because they're about to rule on the ISL thing that "the legislature can overrule the voters", so having a extra minoirty district won't matter, when the state can do whatever they want. And/or they're about to destroy affirmative action
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Jun 8, 2023 17:35
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Adenoid Dan posted:Why is he talking about overpopulation? What purpose does it serve? He just thinks it's not good to have more kids, no reason he just doesn't like it? Come on. My “guess” is that his nefarious intention is that he doesn’t want the population of Africa to increase from 1.5 billion to 3 billion at the same time its per capita emissions are virtually guaranteed to rise quickly with further economic development.
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Meatball posted:Agreed. I get the feeling they're doing this because they're about to rule on the ISL thing that "the legislature can overrule the voters", so having a extra minoirty district won't matter, when the state can do whatever they want. Well the SCONC is going to rehear Moore v Harper so the ISL thing is probably mooted as SCOTUS waits to see what the state court does.
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Regardless of Kerry's true intentions in making that statement, concerns about overpopulation are frequently used as a dogwhistle to justify further exploitation of underdeveloped nations. I see no reason why he shouldn't be criticized for such a careless assertion.
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Mellow Seas posted:When Kerry was asked about overpopulation as a specific issue, it’s not surprising he talked about the place where there is the most population growth. Africa is home to the countries where birth rates are highest in the absolute sense, where they are higher than would be expected based on child mortality (as the scatter plot showed), and where birth rates are not falling like they are in most other countries (including many poor ones). Agreed, John Kerry doesn't think that there should be more Africans (or more than enough? How much is too much, who is to say) or that they should be able to choose their own national or continental destiny.
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Perhaps when asked about overpopulation, Kerry doesn’t have to answer the question directly and instead shift the focus to emissions and waste and whatnot instead of cutting with Malthusian concepts in regards to a continent that has been exploited by western nations for centuries
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I think the question at heart of this discussion is "Does John Kerry believe in the forced and unwilling sterilization of Africans or the inducement of a genocidal famine or other disaster towards the goals of depopulation on that continent" and the answer to that is "No, he does not."
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theCalamity posted:Perhaps when asked about overpopulation, Kerry doesn’t have to answer the question directly and instead shift the focus to emissions and waste and whatnot instead of cutting with Malthusian concepts in regards to a continent that has been exploited by western nations for centuries One reasonably common complaint in this thread is about politicians dodging questions as asked and giving an answer that's only partially related, or not at all. It's kind of hard to fault Kerry for answering a question as asked.
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Fister Roboto posted:Regardless of Kerry's true intentions in making that statement, concerns about overpopulation are frequently used as a dogwhistle to justify further exploitation of underdeveloped nations. Cui bono on lowering the rate of population growth? Wouldn’t “capital” want more impoverished, desperate people to exploit, rather than a stabilizing and increasingly educated population? The benefit goes to the Africans who will live in more prosperous societies because of lower birth rates. Economic exploitation of the continent is a HUGE concern in general, just like it has been for the last 500 years, but I’m just not seeing it here. quote:I see no reason why he shouldn't be criticized for such a careless assertion. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Adenoid Dan posted:Can we not infer a reason why he would say that? Do we really have to pretend not to know the context of patronizing advice like this? Listen, there's no possible way an 80yo wealthy boomer could be out of touch or racist. Even if we have to make up context that wasn't included in articles, we will. We don't know the reason he said that poo poo about African countries, but we know for sure what the reason wasn't and cannot ever be, and that's racism. Racism exists, but not in any way that can ever be inferred unless it's said explicitly. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Captain Oblivious posted:Lmao blaming sustainability issues on African birth rates jesus christ this guy literally doesn’t know a loving thing does he? Dyed in the wool old school malthusianism despite being discredited for ages. One USA Citizen = 12 Indians in terms of climate impact and I'm betting more than 12 Africans.
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https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1666839607911100416 Fellas is "My client has the impulse control of a 3 year old" an affirmative defense to prosecution?
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A historic milestone, our first magpie president
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Ooooohhhh, silly me, thinking that just... taking things that I liked might be a crime or something. Well, as long as it's just taking things because I LIKE them...
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Jaxyon posted:Listen, there's no possible way an 80yo wealthy boomer could be out of touch or racist.  )John Kerry has been a national figure since he was elected to the Senate in 1985. He’s been a person whose words are recorded for 38 years. He was for a brief period the second most famous person in the US. I don’t think we need to fall back on his demographic to make inferences about his views on race. I can’t find any controversies in the past about Kerry espousing racist views. That doesn’t mean he’s definitely not racist but it’s a notable absence of evidence. I guess he could’ve just flawlessly hidden his racism for 38 years until a crafty French reporter figured out he would DROP THE MASK if he heard the trigger word “overpopulation.” You guys know he started his career as an anti-war activist, right? I don’t understand where this conception of him as some kind of closet conservative is coming from. VideoGameVet posted:One USA Citizen = 12 Indians in terms of climate impact and I'm betting more than 12 Africans. Captain Oblivious posted:Lmao blaming sustainability issues on African birth rates jesus christ this guy literally doesn’t know a loving thing does he? Dyed in the wool old school malthusianism despite being discredited for ages.
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Adenoid Dan posted:Can we not infer a reason why he would say that? Do we really have to pretend not to know the context of patronizing advice like this? No, you can't infer it as blaming African countries,, *especially* when there is this as context where he explicitly places blame elsewhere. quote:Twenty countries, including the United States, are responsible for 80 percent of global emissions, Kerry said. Jaxyon posted:Listen, there's no possible way an 80yo wealthy boomer could be out of touch or racist. While I admire the honesty, I don't think we need to make things up in order to get mad at out of touch boomers and it hurts the arguments when we do. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Mellow Seas posted:You guys know he started his career as an anti-war activist, right? I don’t understand where this conception of him as some kind of closet conservative is coming from. Not just a anti-war activist, Kerry testified about Mai Lai regarding the policy of free fire zones leading to events like Mai Lai.
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“How can you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”
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Mellow Seas posted:What a weird argument, considering it’s perfectly possible for an 80 year old wealthy person to not be racist as well. (However I must say pedantically that it’s not possible for an 80 year old to be a boomer for two more years The point is people are very quick to explain why something absolutely can't be that because someone is "on their side". But it's usually that. quote:John Kerry has been a national figure since he was elected to the Senate in 1985. He’s been a person whose words are recorded for 38 years. He was for a brief period the second most famous person in the US. I don’t think we need to fall back on his demographic to make inferences about his views on race. I can’t find any controversies in the past about Kerry espousing racist views. That doesn’t mean he’s definitely not racist but it’s a notable absence of evidence. This is a childlike understanding of racism. You can have some mildy racist misconceptions and beliefs without being an out-and-out Klan member. Lots of people have biases set in racism. Especially old white people. quote:You guys know he started his career as an anti-war activist, right? I don’t understand where this conception of him as some kind of closet conservative is coming from. What does that have to do with anything?
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Three huge stories today: The former president is facing indictment for violations of the espionage act and his former CoS has taken a prosecutorial deal to turn state's evidence in return for pleading to lesser charges One of the most significant figures in American evangelical politics has died The Supreme Court has made a shocking ruling that preserves racial protections under Article II of the Voting Rights Act. Squinting at John Kerry's off hand comments at a conference in order to determine whether or not he is secretly Sir Charles Trevelyan should not be the primary topic of discussion in the US CURRENT EVENTS thread, it might be useful to consider a division between US foreign policy current events and US domestic policy current events. There are important issues to discuss! https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1666822951218597891 quote:“He’s also short but … yes of course it’s about his penis, that’s why we’re doing it,” says a source involved in the effort to get the former president to use the line of attack against DeSantis. zoux fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Jaxyon posted:The point is people are very quick to explain why something absolutely can't be that because someone is "on their side". Jaxyon posted:This is a childlike understanding of racism. You can have some mildy racist misconceptions and beliefs without being an out-and-out Klan member. Lots of people have biases set in racism. Especially old white people. The idea that I’m the one basing my interpretation of the comments on my opinion of the person saying them is absolutely hilarious, by the way.
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haveblue posted:A historic milestone, our first magpie president Come on, at least corvidae are smart 
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