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In other other news, remember Jacob Wohl? Yeah he and his lackey got hit with a $5,134,500 fine for his extremely gross robocalls during the 2020 electionquote:Hi, this is Tamika Taylor from Project 1599, the civil rights organization founded by Jack Burkman and Jacob Wohl. Mail-in voting sounds great, but did you know that if you vote by mail, your personal information will be part of a public database that will be used by police departments to track down old warrants and be used by credit card companies to collect outstanding debts? The CDC is even pushing to use records for mail-in voting to track people for mandatory vaccines. Don't be finessed into giving your private information to the man, stay safe and beware of vote by mail. He's also lost a lawsuit on the matter, with damages to be determined by jury in August.
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The Bible posted:Alright, what would you consider appropriate? really sounded like you weren't expecting him to go to trial 
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susan b buffering posted:weak toxx condition compared to your original claims I don't think "meaningful consequences" is ever a strong statement since no team of engineers could design a phrase with more intentional wiggle room.
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Killer robot posted:I don't think "meaningful consequences" is ever a strong statement since no team of engineers could design a phrase with more intentional wiggle room. "He may have been given the death penalty, but he was quite old. How meaningful could those last few years possibly have been?"
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susan b buffering posted:really sounded like you weren't expecting him to go to trial He's been to a few trials, they just kind of fizzle out. He just stalls poo poo indefinitely and the courts just let him. My idea of "mattering" is that he is sentenced, and actually serves that sentence, appropriate to the crime committed. He is rich and (was) powerful, so that just is not going to happen. Killer robot posted:I don't think "meaningful consequences" is ever a strong statement since no team of engineers could design a phrase with more intentional wiggle room. Feel free to define "meaningful consequences", then. Given what we know and what is currently happening with Trump, what would a reasonable consequence be for him, in your opinion, when these endless hearings are over. What would a reasonable sentence be? The Bible fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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Bringing charges is the most that the government can do for “mattering”, we’ve seen before that even with some blatant illegal poo poo done juries can be incredibly dumb or biased and let people off the hook (looking at you Maeluer) Rich powerful people getting off the hook because of good lawyers and dumb jurors is certainly bullshit and possible but seems different than complaining the courts and such aren’t doing what they should
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Jun 8, 2023 02:21
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Levitate posted:Bringing charges is the most that the government can do for “mattering”, we’ve seen before that even with some blatant illegal poo poo done juries can be incredibly dumb or biased and let people off the hook (looking at you Maeluer) I'm just trying to see what will make you guys happy for a Toxx condition. You didn't like how I worded it so I'm asking for more specific scenarios. I'm leaning toward "jail time" personally, but that feels so incredibly unlikely as to not really be a Toxx at all.
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Jun 8, 2023 02:32
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The Bible posted:Feel free to define "meaningful consequences", then. Given what we know and what is currently happening with Trump, what would a reasonable consequence be for him, in your opinion, when these endless hearings are over. What would a reasonable sentence be? It's your claim, not mine. "Will never see a day behind prison walls" is perfectly specific, so that's a fine strong assertion: I was saying to susan b buffering that it was a stronger toxx than the initial claim. I just mean that "meaningful consequences" is a term that's really popular for people who want to look like they're making bold predictions but want to 100% reserve the right to say "well I don't think that was meaningful when it didn't include....." to whatever consequences actually happen.
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Killer robot posted:It's your claim, not mine. "Will never see a day behind prison walls" is perfectly specific, so that's a fine strong assertion: I was saying to susan b buffering that it was a stronger toxx than the initial claim. I just mean that "meaningful consequences" is a term that's really popular for people who want to look like they're making bold predictions but want to 100% reserve the right to say "well I don't think that was meaningful when it didn't include....." to whatever consequences actually happen. Fair enough. Prison time it is, I'll even allow for house arrest to count. He's certainly done enough to deserve it. Hell, maybe they'll actually charge him under the Espionage Act and he really will face prison time. I'd be happy to eat a Toxx under those conditions. I don't think I will, though.
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Jun 8, 2023 02:52
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The Bible posted:Fair enough. Prison time it is, I'll even allow for house arrest to count. He's certainly done enough to deserve it. Hell, maybe they'll actually charge him under the Espionage Act and he really will face prison time. I'd be happy to eat a Toxx under those conditions. Hell count me in on that too.  If Trump is convicted and spends even a single day in any sort of jail, I too will eat a ban.Edit: and that's on any charges, state or federal. BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jun 8, 2023 |
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They're going to send him to a isolated resort out on Aruba, but then a year later he'll come back with a band of loyal chuds, waltz right into congress while in session and shoot an officer unprovoked and everyone will be like "whoa what the gently caress!?" Just before he's sent to actual federal prison he'll die of a heart attack from eating a big mac just a bit too quickly.
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Mercury_Storm posted:They're going to send him to a isolated resort out on Aruba, but then a year later he'll come back with a band of loyal chuds, waltz right into congress while in session and shoot an officer unprovoked and everyone will be like "whoa what the gently caress!?" Just before he's
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Ah the tyranny of the moving goalposts of mattering. Fortunately there's an entire thread of historical context, but a year ago most were complaining that the January 6 hearings wouldn't matter, but there were elections and, quite probably, a ton of 1/6 cmte material used by the DOJ. The next never-mattering seemed to be charges, which are hours and months away, it seems. I personally would claim that: * A past president criminally indicted, for actions while in office, matters. * A past president indicted for espionage (broad category, sigh, ianal) matters. * Obstruction of justice, kinda shrug on this (charge it, of course, but this definitely requires a jury to sift through the details). * A past president charged for actions leading to an attempted overthrow of the government, that absolutely matters. * Bribery, racketeering, elections fund misuse, etc.... Meh, but it was enough for Capone. Here's the kicker, these things matter independent of verdict because the country has, despite some silliness, a somewhat reasonable court system. These aren't just daily motions to impeach, nor online whining, this is the culmination of publicly available information coupled with lots of investigations. The media is not the law, some people lie under oath, but preponderance of evidence was crossed some time ago. It matters when many well qualified individuals move this to "the legal system will now establish this is beyond reasonable doubt". Of course if some individual believes the whole government is a scam, there is no point where they will accept what matters. Quite frankly, they should just leave the country since they hate it. Prison would matter to some, but if a judge sentences "you're old and need constant medical attention and thank you for your public service", that doesn't negate a (hypothetical) guilty verdict. I worry that he'll die before we get the guilty verdict, natural or accidental. An indictment tomorrow probably means 12mo to trial, 6mo more to verdict (it'll be a long case). If he's on a campaign warpath, he might have a heart attack. Serious question, wtf do we have then, because they'll proclaim his angelic messianic innocence for 50yr if he keels first. ("Ketchup's Revenge, saw a forthcoming prison sentence and died")
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Prison would matter to some, but if a judge sentences "you're old and need constant medical attention and thank you for your public service", that doesn't negate a (hypothetical) guilty verdict. The guilty verdict would be meaningless here. Allowing someone like Trump to go free even after a guilty verdict absolutely sends a message that if you are in a position of power, you are free to break laws as you please. Doubly so when someone not in that position of power would be allowed to die of an infection in prison and then literally rot in their cell for a couple of days, medical care be damned.
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Levitate posted:Bringing charges is the most that the government can do for “mattering”, we’ve seen before that even with some blatant illegal poo poo done juries can be incredibly dumb or biased and let people off the hook (looking at you Maeluer) I honestly don’t get the left-wing shade for Mueller. His job was to report to Congress, which he did. That there wasn’t the clear collusion everyone “just knew” was happening wasn’t his fault, and he clearly laid out several impeachable actions which weren’t actually actioned. Sounds like the real beef here is with the Legislative.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I honestly don’t get the left-wing shade for Mueller. His job was to report to Congress, which he did. That there wasn’t the clear collusion everyone “just knew” was happening wasn’t his fault, and he clearly laid out several impeachable actions which weren’t actually actioned. Sounds like the real beef here is with the Legislative. Because the man cared more about decorum and his career/legacy than about honesty. Trump obstructed justice, they found obstruction but couldn't charge it due to the bullshit Nixon memo. But rather than say that they wrote an absurd report of 'well we' re not, *not* saying that he committed obstruction. Then he stood by while Bill Barr straight lied about their findings. If he had any loving balls he'd have treated that as the direct, corrupt interference that it was and said flatly that 'Yes I believe the president could have been charged with obstruction'.
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I meant the occupation of the Malhuer wildlife refuge by the Bundys and company years back Despite taking over a government building and setting up and armed camp they got away with no consequences because iirc the prosecution bungled things and a jurist knowledgeable about jury nullification slipped by I may not be quite remembering the details right but there should have been no reason they escaped justice for that stunt
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I watched part of the collusion happen on a televised press conference.
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Levitate posted:I meant the occupation of the Malhuer wildlife refuge by the Bundys and company years back Have any of the fucks that stormed the Capitol tried to use that as a defense like well see there's a clear precedent how in the US it's okay to perform an armed take over of a government building/etc.?
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Neo Rasa posted:Have any of the fucks that stormed the Capitol tried to use that as a defense like well see there's a clear precedent how in the US it's okay to perform an armed take over of a government building/etc.? From my limited reading, the 1/6 assholes seem to be split between throwing themselves at the mercy of the court and having zero regrets whatsoever. I haven't heard a single one put together a defense even as nuanced as bringing up Malheur as precedent. It would be funny to see one try, though!
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Can’t believe modern Cicero Norm “Woke Insurance” Pattis didn’t think of that argument.
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cr0y posted:For the chud demographic he can do no wrong and evidence be damned. It's all fabricated by the deep state. Have we gotten to where Meadows was just a loser coffee boy that Trump barely even knew and is now very disloyal? Or where Jack Smith is a biased deep state Soros agent who was appointed by (insert any democrat) and is in Epstein's flight logs?
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Well Meadows does have massive loser energy , and I'm willing to believe that Teumo could bully him into fetching a
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Wait - there’s a GJ in MI too? Is for the same thing as Georgia?
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Xand_Man posted:En taro Assadar TheDisreputableDog posted:“Harlan Protass” - truly we are blessed. They ... have no mouth and they must scream
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Pillowpants posted:Wait - there’s a GJ in MI too? Is for the same thing as Georgia? Guessing it might specifically relate to his meeting about plans to access voting software in both states, both of which indeed went through and breached the voting data there: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/21/us/trump-voting-software-2020-election.html
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Gonna go out on a limb and suggest that The Telegraph's article was just speculation/bullshit. They were hoping for a lucky guess and getting credit for a scoop. No one else has confirmed it and it's getting late in the day if it's going to happen.
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Trump seeks new trial or reduced damages in E. Jean Carroll sexual abuse casequote:Donald Trump is asking a federal court to order a new trial in the civil case brought by the writer E. Jean Carroll or to reduce the damages awarded to her by a jury that found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation. I suspect this not going to go anywhere.
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What’s a good podcast to keep up with all this news nowadays? I used to listen to opening arguments but stopped because of the host being a sexpest
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Deteriorata posted:Trump seeks new trial or reduced damages in E. Jean Carroll sexual abuse case Didn't he double-down and kept defaming her the same day/day after he was found guilty of defaming her? And now he wants a retrial?
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Boris Galerkin posted:What’s a good podcast to keep up with all this news nowadays? I used to listen to opening arguments but stopped because of the host being a sexpest You can go back to OA, he got replaced.
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Randalor posted:Didn't he double-down and kept defaming her the same day/day after he was found guilty of defaming her? And now he wants a retrial? And the judge, I believe.
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bird food bathtub posted:You can go back to OA, he got replaced. He did? The latest episode still shows "Liz and Andrew break down", and Andrew was the weird sex pest one, not Thomas.
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bird food bathtub posted:You can go back to OA, he got replaced. The sex pest found a new co-host and is still on OA. Andrew is the sex pest, not Thomas.
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https://twitter.com/robgeorge/status/1666605011286085634?s=42&t=vYGMjgtg31X780Jer9MHvA the comedians who imitate trump are so good that I sometimes forget that's exactly how he writes and talks
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Oh, welp. Guess I got that one wrong.
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bird food bathtub posted:You can go back to OA, he got replaced. No, the sexpest is still hosting OA to this very day. The other guy was the one who got ousted because the sexpest decided to execute a hostile takeover of his partnership.
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They did replace Andrew on the "Cleanup on Aisle 45" podcast though, which may be more relevant to this thread anyways: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cleanup-on-aisle-45-with-ag-pete-strzok/id1549502623
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