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I was sleeping working when the news dropped and holy poo poo can't wait for Tuesday  Wayback posted:Seems like there is precedent for the DOJ to push for Cannon's recusal, or removal, by the 11th Circuit since that is basically the route they took last time with her nonsense and they slapped down on her tactics. Charliegrs posted:There's a good podcast called "Jack" (as in Jack Smith) on Spotify hosted by Andy McCabe and I can't remember the woman lawyers name but she's a good host too. They don't have new episodes every day but they are pretty frequent and quite good. In addition to "Jack", Popehat apparently has a legal podcast but I haven't listed to it yet: https://www.serioustrouble.show/
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She's not a judge, she's a traitor who wears a robe. Here's hoping that Jack Smith knows how to handle compromised judges.
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Baronash posted:More importantly, however, are you arguing that legal maneuvering in opposition to the will of the voters is fine as long as there is the veneer of "respecting the rules"? That's... certainly an argument. Again, this all goes back to Gore’s initial decision to selectively recount based on expected partisan gains. That’s certainly not serving “the will of the voters” - imagine Trump requesting a PA recount, but not Philly, Pittsburgh, or the surrounding suburbs. Either all votes deserve a second moment of scrutiny, or none of them should qualify.
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mobby_6kl posted:I was sleeping working when the news dropped and holy poo poo can't wait for Tuesday Someone else mentioned it before and I'll second Lawfare. They're one of two groups that literally had someone at almost every day of the recent Proud Boy trial.
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One thing I appreciate about all this is knowing that despite his "wealth" and status, and even having been the god drat POTUS, he will absolutely not have the best legal team money can buy to defend him in these cases.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Again, this all goes back to Gore’s initial decision to selectively recount based on expected partisan gains. That’s certainly not serving “the will of the voters” - imagine Trump requesting a PA recount, but not Philly, Pittsburgh, or the surrounding suburbs. Either all votes deserve a second moment of scrutiny, or none of them should qualify. No, it doesn't "go back to" that at all. What Gore's team chose to focus on and why is not at issue. The Florida Supreme Court ordered a statewide recount, and the US Supreme Court prevented it from being carried out as a means of putting their finger on the scales for Bush. I would think that if you feel that all votes deserved a second moment of scrutiny, the proper action would have been to complete the statewide hand recount.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1667192406356156421?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw Not so Trusty after all
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Second person indicted. His assistant Walt Nauta has been indicted. https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1667197772703866884?s=20
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It really makes me wonder what happened in the last not even 24 hours that caused that change in defense counsel. Were they not rear end kissing hard enough on their TV spots?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:It really makes me wonder what happened in the last not even 24 hours that caused that change in defense counsel. Were they not rear end kissing hard enough on their TV spots? My speculation would be... They proposed to mount an actual defense which pissed off Trump because it implies he might have done something wrong.
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The dude left a legitimate law firm to rep trump lol. I bet *he's* the one that will actually get paid 
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Baronash posted:No, it doesn't "go back to" that at all. What Gore's team chose to focus on and why is not at issue. The Florida Supreme Court ordered a statewide recount, and the US Supreme Court prevented it from being carried out as a means of putting their finger on the scales for Bush. I would think that if you feel that all votes deserved a second moment of scrutiny, the proper action would have been to complete the statewide hand recount. My understanding of most states' election laws is that there really isn't even a mechanism for a candidate to request a statewide recount. The candidate has to select the county or district they want recounted, and then have to foot the bill for the recount.
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ryde posted:My speculation would be... Either this, or they told him they'd handled the indictment and it would go away. Then it made the news and Trump threw a tantrum.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/jeremyherb/status/1667138563241041925?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw mods, please do the needful
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cr0y posted:The dude left a legitimate law firm to rep trump lol. I bet *he's* the one that will actually get paid
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cr0y posted:The dude left a legitimate law firm to rep trump lol. I bet *he's* the one that will actually get paid This guy may be an rear end in a top hat but if he's a lawyer then he at least has some modicum of intelligence. Why do they keep doing this? Trump never pays! It's like saying "Sire, it hurt when the other guys got kicked in the balls, but it won't hurt when *I* get kicked in the balls."
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cr0y posted:The dude left a legitimate law firm to rep trump lol. I bet *he's* the one that will actually get paid He defended Fruman and Manafort? Didn't they end up doing time? I can see Trump is only hiring the best and brightest of
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Randalor posted:So what happens in the event of s GJ trial with an obviously compromised judge? Are there avenues to have a new judge assigned to oversee the case/sentencing or is the DoJ just poo poo outta luck, Trump gets to run for Dictator for Life 2024? This Twitter account claiming some authoritative knowledge on the topic seems to think that the DoJ could get her out, but I'm not qualified to evaluate its analysis.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:This guy may be an rear end in a top hat but if he's a lawyer then he at least has some modicum of intelligence. As an attorney myself, I can assure you that a law degree or even bar passage is no guarantee of competence.
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More Trump aide Walt Nauta indicted in classified documents case quote:An aide to former President Donald Trump has been indicted in special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the mishandling of classified documents from the Trump White House, two sources familiar with the indictment tell CNN.
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Deteriorata posted:More This is also the guy who's job it was to bring Trump a diet coke when he pushed the button in the Oval Office.
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Guys is it good or bad if your lawyers all quit the day you're indicted
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Based off of a sentence in wapo reporting that suggested that the lawyers left after trump announced he would be bringing in more attorneys, I wonder if they left for a few reasons or something else. Possibilities: *the evidence is that bad *hiring true believer outside counsel that’ll only step on rakes *trump being constantly out of pocket and ignoring advice like “don’t tweet about your case/indictment it only makes things worse” *failure to pay
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Yiggy posted:Based off of a sentence in wapo reporting that suggested that the lawyers left after trump announced he would be bringing in more attorneys, I wonder if they left for a few reasons or something else. Possibilities: Rumor is that they cloned Rudy and both the original and clone will be tag teaming Don's defense. happyhippy fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Yiggy posted:Based off of a sentence in wapo reporting that suggested that the lawyers left after trump announced he would be bringing in more attorneys, I wonder if they left for a few reasons or something else. Possibilities: There was reporting that they’ve been telling him for months he wouldn’t be indicted.
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Yiggy posted:*the evidence is that bad "Look, look at my crime stuff. You gotta see this, the illegal crime things, that I have, me, trump."
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Just saw the news. What a fun day this just became.
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Someone explain to me how this isn't an insta-acquittal now. She'll refuse to recuse, throw out all the evidence, and appoint twenty special masters with a report due in 2300.
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CapnAndy posted:Someone explain to me how this isn't an insta-acquittal now. She'll refuse to recuse, throw out all the evidence, and appoint twenty special masters with a report due in 2300. Read further up in this thread
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 While the lawyers announced their own departure, and T has not yet openly lambasted them, it seems likely that he spent at least 12 hours yelling at them because he truly thought he wouldn't be indicted. The lawyers probably looked at each other, nodded their heads, and realized that they could no longer represent their client. Even if T hadn't yet realized he was going to fire them, they likely realized that the situation was untenable. Perhaps they knew other lawyers were being lined up; perhaps not. In any case they likely realized "nothing remains here for us to do". Regarding Cannon, sigh, it seems like the precedent is to return the case to the previous judge. That means she gets to open the indictment and read the charges, record the pleas, and set a date. The smart choice might be recusal, but she seems to dumb from last time to have learned that lesson. Strict adherence would permit her to save face, but I doubt she can manage more than a few weeks of that. Haven't really reached a conclusion thinking about this. There's lots of room to go to appellate, just like last time, and there are sentencing guidelines and lots of prior court expectations about trial scheduling and such. There's obviously a lot of "worst case" scenarios. I hope the prosecutors have already planned for some of that, but on this part we're stuck waiting for a while.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:
But she wasn’t the previous judge, Reinhardt was. What she was, was the judge in the matter where Trump filed civil suit against the DOJ to try to stop the search warrant. She was found to not even have jurisdiction and it was shut down.
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https://twitter.com/zoetillman/status/1667227542095273994 Some fun reading material for the weekend just dropped
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gregday posted:But she wasn’t the previous judge, Reinhardt was. I mean this does seem like a much different circumstance then and that precedent doesn't seem likely to apply.
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FizFashizzle posted:This is also the guy who's job it was to bring Trump a diet coke when he pushed the button in the Oval Office. The puff piece about this aide that circulated two or so months back painted a picture of a staffer that showed up to work and stayed out of the game of thrones-esque jockeying that the trump family and senior staffers always seemed to be embroiled in. The loyal, quiet body man that no one paid attention to or minded around. Since his charges remain to be unsealed I’m curious if he held the line and gets hammered for shuttling the boxes and lying to the FBI on their first pass (presumably before they sat him in a room and played the surveillance tape) or if he’s getting a lesser charge in exchange for cooperation. The tweet trump made about poor innocent Walter makes it feel like they don’t quite know where he’s landed yet and are still publicly spinning him but I’m not sure that he’s not a supporting witness. Edit: looks like full indictment just dropped I expect this to be clarified soon enough
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chaoslord posted:https://twitter.com/zoetillman/status/1667227542095273994 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1667227605185994755
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gregday posted:31 counts for Espionage. gently caress. That's a lot of espionage!
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