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Hoping next week's update is just a repeat of Gog-Agog no-selling Jagganoth's deathbeam, but with Allison being the one to vaporize and then reform instantly.
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lol is she going to resist his attacks and then annoy him into submission
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Jun 9, 2023 18:24
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Joe Slowboat posted:You don’t know anything from Jadis’ predictions because she doesn’t choose what to say about them either. Yeah that's probably true. I suppose we can't even put stock in everything Jadis saying being correct as it depends on the status quo not changing. Allison's response to Jadis did end up being "gently caress this" so maybe she'll punch the future so hard it won't happen Regardless, I think the central message of this all is that since violence always begets violence, the only way to actually break the wheel is through healing and creation. The true power was the friends we made along the way! But, like, unironically.
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Jun 9, 2023 18:26
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Yeah, turns out Allison's been wormed since the beginning of the tournament arc
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Jun 9, 2023 18:27
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Kalli posted:Yeah, turns out Allison's been wormed since the beginning of the tournament arc Honestly, I'd accept that as a neat (but unlikely) twist at this point - she's been Gog-Agoged this whole time, but was too dumb/powerful to realize it and has been able to stay herself. But, like, that said, there's no good reason she shouldn't have the same healing/reforming powers Gog has.
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Jun 9, 2023 18:30
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I just want my pal Gog-Agog back. The old mean lady is gone, come back, your friends need your help!
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Jun 9, 2023 18:31
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Kalli posted:I just want my pal Gog-Agog back. The old mean lady is gone, come back, your friends need your help! *your pals
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Jun 9, 2023 18:33
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Gog-Agog may be gone (from the comic), but she lives on inside every single one of us (our bodies).
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Jun 9, 2023 18:34
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Rotten Red Rod posted:(Also the fact that Allison knows she can't die here due to Jadis' prediction.) What better way to break infinity than to die before the time that was pre-ordained by the omniscient entity?
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Jun 9, 2023 18:35
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jadis is still and will always be correct and truthful in everything she said, what matters now is what Alison does with that truth
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Jun 9, 2023 18:43
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I'm reminded of the fact that Cio has been the sole person that taught Allison to use her power to create instead of destroy, despite that always being the actual intended use of the power she has. does that mean Allison is going to solicit Maya for sex after recovering from the Cut
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Jun 9, 2023 18:50
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RocketMermaid posted:Allison is going to proposition Maya for sex after recovering from the Cut 
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Jun 9, 2023 18:55
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Maya’s last line of questioning there reminds me of so many discussions of Yisun and Zoss.
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Jun 9, 2023 19:30
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"People die when they're killed" yeah maybe if they're losers
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Jun 9, 2023 19:36
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Allison's being really uncooperative and kind of bitchy right now but to be fair there really isn't any good answer to this question (is it -the- question actually?).
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Jun 9, 2023 19:38
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'But what is dying, actually? I never had trouble with it' - Zoss, maybe.
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Jun 9, 2023 19:40
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Watch as with the Key of Kings and Furious Dumbassery combined, Alison just nopes off the Sword of Maybe. Maya's all smug and pointing out that you don't need an infinite sword if you're too drat stubborn to die.
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Jun 9, 2023 19:43
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Schrodinger's Death Cut. Let's loving GOOO!!!!!!
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Jun 9, 2023 19:54
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i feel like the colors framing allison in the last panels make it pretty clear what’s about to happen.
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Jun 9, 2023 19:58
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So. Is that The Question?
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Trebuchet King posted:i feel like the colors framing allison in the last panels make it pretty clear what’s about to happen. She's going to grow into two Allisons?
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Jun 9, 2023 20:24
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If it's not something that could conceivably make you have an existential crisis and flee in terror simply by hearing it, it is not The Question.
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it's a pretty good candidate, especially because it's exactly the sort of thing a sword dork like demiurge maya would try to argue for a bit until it sank in
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Jun 9, 2023 20:26
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Jagganoth, I've come to bargain
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Jun 9, 2023 20:34
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And YISUN smiled in the fifth way and said in reply "お前はもう死んでいる"
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Thundarr posted:If it's not something that could conceivably make you have an existential crisis and flee in terror simply by hearing it, it is not The Question. Hmm, it wouldn't work on just anyone. But it would work on Maya. Maya didn't kill the rat, Incubus did. Incubus only cared about winning - Meti told him to kill a rat, so he did, because this would help him become a great swordsman. Maya hesitated, because the rat was innocent and she felt its life should be spared. Meti taught her that the only way to stop a bad guy with a sword is a good guy with a sword. And, in the long run, Meti taught her what the good guy with a sword becomes. This is why Maya was Meti's real student, and not Incubus. Incubus was an ideal heir to carry on Meti's legacy of swordsmanship. Maya was the heir to Meti's paradox, and this is now what she's imparting to Allison.
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Jun 9, 2023 20:50
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Tenebrais posted:Hmm, it wouldn't work on just anyone. But it would work on Maya. Maya didn't kill the rat, Incubus did. Incubus only cared about winning - Meti told him to kill a rat, so he did, because this would help him become a great swordsman. Maya hesitated, because the rat was innocent and she felt its life should be spared. Meti taught her that the only way to stop a bad guy with a sword is a good guy with a sword. Or maybe it doesn't matter, because maybe someone cuts you and you die, or they don't; it's not like you have that choice Except on whether you really think you should die or not Victis fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Jun 9, 2023 21:05
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There Bias Two posted:She's going to grow into two Allisons? Maya: "Huh. That's a new one."
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Jun 9, 2023 21:30
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“well drat nice cut though I don’t think you are that much of a hot poo poo if you can’t kill that stinkboi”
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Jun 9, 2023 21:42
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YaketySass posted:Allison's being really uncooperative and kind of bitchy right now but to be fair there really isn't any good answer to this question (is it -the- question actually?). I think the text at the bottom is a hint: Maya's observation that "the tools of liberation are the same as those of oppression," while correct, misattributes blame. There's no escaping responsibility by abstaining from power or remaining ignorant.
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Jun 9, 2023 21:46
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YaketySass posted:Allison's being really uncooperative and kind of bitchy right now but to be fair there really isn't any good answer to this question (is it -the- question actually?). Sure there is. The question is a pretty juvenile false dichotomy that fails to recognize that swords can and historically have beaten into plowshares. No peace won this way is permanent because no peace is permanent ever, but you absolutely can go and win peace again with incredible violence and subsequently beat those swords to plowshares. There's nothing fundamentally preventing any willing person from working in this way.
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Potato Salad posted:Sure there is. The question is a pretty juvenile false dichotomy that fails to recognize that swords can and historically have beaten into plowshares. none of those supposed peaces left a society free of violence. the same people who started the war remain on top after still enacting violence to maintain control!
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Jun 9, 2023 21:58
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Meti appears to be obsessed with the impermanence of peace, which prevents her from accepting the legitimacy of peace won via violence (as opposed to other means, when available). Each of these powerful characters has some weird obsession in their worldview and I guess that Meti and Maya share a mental glitch where they can't get over the fact that bad things do randomly happen to good people and that peace isn't permanent, but requires work (and, often, violence or the credible threat of violence).
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Jun 9, 2023 22:00
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jsoh posted:none of those supposed peaces left a society free of violence. the same people who started the war remain on top after still enacting violence to maintain control! -NYT Pitchbot
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Jun 9, 2023 22:00
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the comic's foremost practitioner of "peace through violence" is jagganoth, who is taking the philosophy to its logical conclusion by slaughtering everything up to and including abstract concepts this story is not your twitter feed
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Jun 9, 2023 22:03
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Nah. If you can't see the difference between swords to plowshares and hyperbolic universal omnicide, I can't help you. Or, like, if you think one is a slippery slope to the other, again I can't help you. Feel like I need to emphasize the element here where this is how much of history has actually panned out, including a bevy stable and prosperous societies. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jun 9, 2023 |
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Oxxidation posted:the comic's foremost practitioner of "peace through violence" is jagganoth, who is taking the philosophy to its logical conclusion by slaughtering everything up to and including abstract concepts I mean he's right in that in THIS existence, there will always be violence, but that's not an excuse to scrap it
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Jun 9, 2023 22:09
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Swords sure can be beaten into plowshares, but historically the people who are best at using swords tend not to do that once they are at the top (works of fiction notwithstanding). In that sense Meti's conclusion that swords are stupid tools for idiots is pretty understandable. If this actually is The Question that Meti asked to Dark Cloud, it would be pretty funny for Allison to both no-sell the cut and the question itself by calling Maya out after she recombobulates herself.
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Potato Salad posted:Nah. Most of those stable and prosperous societies are propped up by violence against an oppressed underclass. Sure, there have been plenty of societies which aren't. Historically, they tend to become the oppressed underclass of those that are, if they're not outright exterminated.
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