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Neo marxism also means "the jews", I'm afraid. Usually in the full format of "post-modern neo-marxism" which is another example of people who don't understand politics slapping terms that are mutually exclusive together, as postmodernism and marxism are pretty at odds with each other.
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"Why is everything gay?" Because most young people either are or don't mind, old reactionaries who deliberately look at things to raise their blood pressure won't be around for long, and business forecasting looks to the future rather than the past. Because that is the direction in which time goes. In fascist rear end in a top hat world, this is presumably also the fault of a Jew. 
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Panfilo posted:
so in sociological terms, neo-Marxism is a revisionist form of Marxism that applied different academic theoretical approaches to Marx's original works. Updating Marx for a post-1945 world, if you will. however, to the fash, OwlFancier posted:Neo marxism also means "the jews", I'm afraid.
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What's Neo Marxism? I'm still trying to understand a Libertarians definition of Marxism and now they've moved on to Neo Marxism? I can't keep up! 
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Panfilo posted:Libertarians have been rather https://twitter.com/LathyrusB/status/1662589966944292867?t=kxT55vC8V97VdF0CUirryw&s=19 And in THOSE replies.... https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1662735803150221313?t=4pDcu_kJCoikvfC3w-H-Mg&s=19
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about this lately. It's their ultimate gotcha to why we're not in a free market-nefarious WOKE government gatekeepers are pressuring companies into conforming to the leftist agenda! Also, according to this Libertarian, woke was was a term "Co opted from the black community by gender activists infected with Neo Marxism. "
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Panfilo posted:Libertarians have been rather Neo-Marxism is Marx's final boss transformation.
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Agents are GO! posted:Neo-Marxism is Marx's final boss transformation. No no that's the intermediate form. You're thinking of Marxism ZERO.
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Neo-marxism is about to E.X.P.L.O.D.E.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:No no that's the intermediate form. You're thinking of Marxism ZERO. That's the new sugar free version.
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Neo-Marxism is the country that built the People's Gundam for the g fighter tournament
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Panfilo posted:Libertarians have been rather Interestingly the "marxism" and "woke" words were what helped me start the process of deradicalisation of a friend of mine. He's a nice guy and holds a lot of the same moral views that I do but he's big into crypto and through exposure to that community ended up very libertarian. Which was interesting because his desired goals were rather progressive he'd just been infected with a whole bunch of right wing talking points and propoganda. He's kind of the theoretical libertarian who believes in the principles rather than it being a convenient excuse for getting the things he wants. I had been gently challenging him on those words asking him for clear definitions, when he used them. I tried not to be aggro about it and just said to him "I'm not quite undersatnding what you mean because when you use that word in that context it doesn't really make sense to me". When he finally provided them (through a link to a libertarian podcast, muddied as hell because words have no meanings to these assholes) I was able to compare and contrast what they said to some actual definitions. Gave him where "woke" originally came from and what "marxism" actually was. Linked him to a podcast from a self described Marxist economist who made a heap of points he strongly agreed with which kind of broke the spell and had him questioning what he was hearing about "marxism" and "wokeism". He's a guy who I like and have known for quite a while and it was a lot of work to slowly try to break through the thought terminating cliches he had to try and pull him back from that radicalisation, so it's certainly not a fix all but I think just identifying that when they use these words it's a stand in for "bad thing" you can start to get people to see through the bullshit.
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Is there a good book or essay that attacks libertarianism? The situation: I'm in this book club with some old friends. A couple of them have stated that they sorta consider themselves libertarians, ("small L, not like the big L ones who are loving insane"). They are smart and reasonable guys -- I think probably just kind of poisoned with individualism and cynicism and.. lack of empathy I guess. They are not edgelords or agressively-assholish or jrods... they seem genuinely open to discussion. One of them recommended a book for the group, The Case Against Education by Bryan Caplan (who seems to be a huge piece of poo poo; the existence of a GMU economics professor is itself kind of a case against education wakka wakka). My friend said he found the book convincing and would love to hear arguments against it. I've read a few pages in the book and the arguments are already stinky. I am not sure if I am up for the torments of reading this book and processing it and making a counter case, in a way that is both effective and preserves these friendships. Honestly I'm not confident in my own abilities these days. Even when I win arguments I don't feel good about it. I'd much rather point at someone else's general work against libertarianism. Where is our indoctrination literature lol...
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If you want something horribly dense that also attacks the education system you could suggest pedagogy of the oppressed by paulo friere, which is written from a much more anarcho-communist perspective and argues that the model of education we use demeans the individual in its assumption that they can only be there to fill their empty heads with the wisdom of their betters, and trains them to be subservient to their masters rather than encouraging them to develop comradeship with their peers and forment revolution in the face of injustice done to them, and that only through that social organization that true liberation can be achieved. It isn't an argument against libertarianism but it might be a better suggestion for somebody looking for faults in education and already sympathetic to anti-authority positions. I did find it a difficult read though, ironically because the author demonstrates his argument very clearly by producing a book that has very little regard for the reader and is just a big idea dump that you have to take in on the author's terms, which I choose to interpret as a critique of the banking model of education via form rather than bad translation or it being written for an advanced audience  Looking at the wikipedia synopsis for the caplan book, you might even find similar arguments about the failures of education, but with very different motivations and suggestions for what we should do instead. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jun 10, 2023 |
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Sax Solo posted:Is there a good book or essay that attacks libertarianism? China Mielville's Floating Utopia is a good critique, though thematically somewhat dated to a specific flavor of libertarian nuttiness which isn't as current now as it was fifteen-twenty years ago. A particularly choice bit I always like from it: quote:It is a libertarian dream. Hexagonal neighborhoods of square apartments bob sedately by tiny coiffed parks and tastefully featureless marinas, an Orange County of the soul. It is the ultimate gated community, designed not by the very rich and certainly not by the very powerful, but by the middlingly so. As a utopia, the Atlantis Project is pitiful. Beyond the single one-trick fact of its watery location, it is tragically non-ambitious, crippled with class anxiety, nostalgic not for mythic glory but for the anonymous sanctimony of an invented 1950s. This is no ruling class vision: it is the plaintive daydream of a petty bourgeoisie, whose sulky solution to perceived social problems is to run away – set sail into a tax-free sunset.
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OwlFancier posted:If you want something horribly dense that also attacks the education system you could suggest pedagogy of the oppressed by paulo friere, which is written from a much more anarcho-communist perspective and argues that the model of education we use demeans the individual in its assumption that they can only be there to fill their empty heads with the wisdom of their betters, and trains them to be subservient to their masters rather than encouraging them to develop comradeship with their peers and forment revolution in the face of injustice done to them, and that only through that social organization that true liberation can be achieved. bell hooks has written a few books that are in part a much more reader-friendly exposition of Freire’s model—they also go lighter on the communism. However, they’re written by a black woman, so I don’t know that a libertarian would ever pick one up.
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Sax Solo posted:Is there a good book or essay that attacks libertarianism? Atlas shrugged?
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Caros posted:Atlas shrugged? How does this apply to what I said?
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Sax Solo posted:How does this apply to what I said? The joke is that the book is so god-awful that it counters its own point That said, don't show it to your friends
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There's the anti-libertarian FAQ but as you can maybe tell from the rebranding the dude who wrote it got brain poisoning from being in the "Rationalist" movement and has gotten continuously dipshit-ier over time https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/22/repost-the-non-libertarian-faq/ If you use it, it's very important you rip it and DO NOT send them to slate star codex.
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"I just don't care. Unless it involves kids." https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1667561929882099713?t=CNREiXybEU5JHLkE1zz-sw&s=19
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Rappaport posted:The joke is that the book is so god-awful that it counters its own point Just to be clear, this was indeed 
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I decided to have some stupid with my coffee and read the twitter replies to TRHL and like 10% of the replies are telling her she isn’t really a libertarian lol
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Sax Solo posted:Is there a good book or essay that attacks libertarianism? Show them the article where a libertarian town in New Hampshire was overrun by bears because they ignored the laws prohibiting the feeding of wildlife.
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Or the article about that guy’s trailer burning with his animals inside because his town had an optional fee for fire service (I will mention, however, since it seems to never come up when the story is told: the firefighters wanted to go in anyway (SOCIALISTS!) but their chief told them that they would not be insured were they to be injured, so they had to stand and watch it burn and it was traumatic for them).
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Also I've mentioned this before but Libertarians almost always walk back some of the more egregious contradictions when pressed. For instance, Redheaded Libertarian distinguishes herself by considering herself to be a "constitutional libertarian" which suggests a flavor of libertarianism she assumes is derived from the framers of the constitution. While some of these types will have some law or history education under their belt, those of the ginger variety dispense with such arbitrary backgrounds. L
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Panfilo posted:Also I've mentioned this before but Libertarians almost always walk back some of the more egregious contradictions when pressed. For instance, Redheaded Libertarian distinguishes herself by considering herself to be a "constitutional libertarian" which suggests a flavor of libertarianism she assumes is derived from the framers of the constitution. While some of these types will have some law or history education under their belt, those of the ginger variety dispense with such arbitrary backgrounds. L I've found it useful when discussing with friends who fell down that hole to ask if the people they've been listening to are against the state, or just upset that they're not the ones best positioned to exploit it. They have a hard time rebutting that thought when their policy planks can generally be followed with 'and who, precisely, enforces that contract?' as a rebuttal, because invariably they treat contract law as sacrosanct despite it relying entirely on the state monopoly on force.
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In my experience, a lot of libertarians believe that enforcing contracts between private individuals should be the only function of the government.
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Liquid Communism posted:I've found it useful when discussing with friends who fell down that hole to ask if the people they've been listening to are against the state, or just upset that they're not the ones best positioned to exploit it. Don't forget also that these types hate direct democracy (ironic, you'd think these "individual rights" people would fight to the death to keep their right to vote), so the question of, "who gets to decide on how these contracts and property rights get enforced? " "Certainly not you or anyone you'd have the agency to put in charge"You're on to something with the whole wanting to be the ones best positioned to exploit it, because I mean cmon why would they project like this otherwise? https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1667879020187230213?t=_vUPiREJKvdpL3RXWGu8xw&s=19 Panfilo fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jun 12, 2023 |
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Panfilo posted:Don't forget also that these types hate direct democracy (ironic, you'd think these "individual rights" people would fight to the death to keep their right to vote), so the question of, The head of the Libertarian Party in New Hampshire called it a soft communism.
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TRHL is a really boring target to keep mock-posting. She's a raw anti-justice warrior, there is no coherent worldview to create surprise or dissect, she's just whatever the lovely side of the culture war is at the moment taken to an outrageous pander-y extreme.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:TRHL is a really boring target to keep mock-posting. She's a raw anti-justice warrior, there is no coherent worldview to create surprise or dissect, she's just whatever the lovely side of the culture war is at the moment taken to an outrageous pander-y extreme. If you've got another one in mind that also has the ear of the richest person in the world I'm all ears. How many other female libertarians you think agree that the 19th Amendment was a mistake?
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:
Why. I've never heard of the site, the front page doesn't seem like crazy or anything
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VitalSigns posted:Why.
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Oh ok. I tried to read it to see why it's bad but aaaaa so boring. I can definitely see hiding eugenics in that excruciating style. I only read a little bit of the FAQ and now I'm surprised it wasn't dense or annoying to read (well at least as far in as I got anyway), maybe he got more pretentious over time.
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Panfilo posted:You're on to something with the whole wanting to be the ones best positioned to exploit it, because I mean cmon why would they project like this otherwise? I'll be honest, what most of the American libertarians I've talked to have been really into is neo-feudalism. They want regulation gone so capitalism can produce winners who pile up material wealth until they are effectively their own governments, and we lapse back into warlords enforcing their own laws and debt slavery that becomes chattel slavery. VitalSigns posted:Oh ok. Exposure to Yudkowsky will do that. The man is Dunning-Kruger personified, with a belief that if he just dresses up his language enough people will accept his bullshit assertions as fact.
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The awful part about SlateStarCodex is that far too many smart people read it. One of my favorite receipts of the dude Scott Siskind is when he's like, "*sigh* i hate fascists -- they are so incompetent at spreading eugenics w/ their video game idea!!" quote:What I want is a Harry Potter fanfic set in a world where blood purism is correct. ... Siskind claims to not be a libertarian but IMHO he kinda acts like one, including in how he's actually right wing at heart but lying about it. I suspect deep down he's just not totally sure what will be the best thing for his imagined tribe of high-IQ ubermencsh, but he's for whatever helps them.
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Sax Solo posted:Is there a good book or essay that attacks libertarianism? If they can get past the title, "A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear" is a very funny and surprisingly deep investigative dive into a New Hampshire town that was taken over by libertarian activists who eventually dismantled the entire local government in "an experiment of radical self-governance" and it resulted in bears taking over the town for several months. The guy who originally started the project in 2005 was ultimately driven out of power by the other libertarians because he wanted to organize a way to get rid of the bears and re-institute garbage services. The town eventually drove most of the bears out in 2016, but as of 2020, was still experiencing semi-regular bear attacks on residents with no real plan to prevent them altogether. The town also had never had a murder in its history and then had two the year they implemented the project. And it became a haven for sex offenders who were also not prosecuted because they fired the entire police force except for one guy and wouldn't pay to fix the broken police cruiser, so he couldn't take domestic violence calls unless they came to the station. The residents eventually formed a tent city that attracted the bears because people would feed them and they eliminated all garbage services. https://www.amazon.com/Libertarian-Walks-Into-Bear-Liberate-ebook/dp/B083J1FXY8 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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