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Hooplah posted:my friend bamboozled me into buying this game by saying it was better than d3 and was more like a mix of d2 and d3 with a dash of poe, so i figured i'd post my thoughts to him here i'm a melee rogue and it doesn't change much. they put way too much MMO into this ARPG IMO. not just the minute to minute gameplay, but the whole structure of the game. there's way too much in between bouts of clicking on groups of skeletons to explode. i want to jump into a bunch of nice random tilesets with random monsters and affixes that have a chance to drop a bunch of random loot, not do MMO dailies and spam the same dungeon over and over again
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan posted:No not really. It's a lot like d3 in the sense that endgame gearing consists of finding better-rolled versions of legendary powers or uniques that you already have, except in this case you can get a guaranteed minimum roll of most of your legendary powers just by doing a dungeon. The renown stuff feels tacked on to inflate how much gameplay is actually there. And yeah, most specs' combat is cool down and generator/spender based. It's ultimately a pretty shallow game. It's funny IMO bc the amount of effort you put into doing renown is so small compared to how much time you would spend leveling your character to like idk level 80.
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i love quests/events in diablo. i love having to stay within the tiny area around an NPC as they walk slowly somewhere. i love waiting for animations and dialogue to finish. i love the rewards that i get. a box of herbs? a box of leather!? it could be anything! i love it.
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Jun 11, 2023 15:55
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You can left click to auto advance dialogue. Sometimes this bugs out but you can re-enable it by alt-tabbing out and back in again.
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crepeface posted:i love quests/events in diablo. sometimes it’s less mats than you’d get salvaging a single rare these people are not rich
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Hooplah posted:my friend bamboozled me into buying this game by saying it was better than d3 and was more like a mix of d2 and d3 with a dash of poe, so i figured i'd post my thoughts to him here I dunno what you're talking about with cooldown management being braindead but I don't think you'll enjoy the game if this is such a bugbear for you because nothing really changes, no; there are a lot of abilities that have a cooldown over 5 seconds. I'm sorry. Every build I can think of juggles multiple. The gearing is about as deep as any other ARPG I can think of (my fault if anything is that it's too fiddly) and greener = better only applies to weapons, and only to an extent. Your friend was spot on with that description so don't be too mad at them
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SHISHKABOB posted:It's funny IMO bc the amount of effort you put into doing renown is so small compared to how much time you would spend leveling your character to like idk level 80. I dunno I'm almost level 80 and found the grind to level 5 renown in each zone far more unpleasant. I mean yeah it's shorter than getting 80, but very little of it was poo poo I actually wanted to do. My biggest problem with the game now is my gear is done enough that upgrades are very small, so it feels like my only path to player power is to get levels/level up glyphs, which is a pretty slow process. It's not a huge problem or anything, but I feel like there's a lot of room for improvement.
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exquisite tea posted:You can left click to auto advance dialogue. Sometimes this bugs out but you can re-enable it by alt-tabbing out and back in again. unless my poo poo is really buggy it's only for a few "proper" quests. it also doesn't work for events afaik. (like the dialogue for the ghost you have to escort around)
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Jun 11, 2023 16:02
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The dichotomy is really funny. I find myself burned out on soloing dungeons and wish there was more world bosses and events to do. Running the same dungeon gameplay loop for 30 years isn’t as fun as it was and I’m enjoying the things that make me interact with other players. E: it might be more fun if there was a way to fight act bosses again as well.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:03
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Ok so yeah turns out I can't loving play at all. I'm getting desynced constantly now. Sometimes it reconnects, most of the time it doesn't. I can't complete dungeons, finish events. Just lost 127 cinders on a helltide. No rhyme or reason as to when I'll get disconnected. Game's unplayable in this state. Three times now within this helltide and every time it disconnects it treats it as a death so half of the cinders go away
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Jun 11, 2023 16:08
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ARPG brain rot is serious. Some dudes on here ran the same tiny hallways in PoE/D3 for the equivalent of a lengthy prison sentence so that is all they know. I'm praying they add more open world activities with seasons. More strongholds, seasonal events, quests, etc.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:09
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Dudes out there playing 40+ hours of a game in a week and then burning out and finding some reason to hate the game on any social media they use is pretty much expected for every major release nowadays.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:12
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M. Night Skymall posted:I dunno I'm almost level 80 and found the grind to level 5 renown in each zone far more unpleasant. I mean yeah it's shorter than getting 80, but very little of it was poo poo I actually wanted to do. Seems like it's an intentional thing like D2 where the game is "done" around levels 70-80 and anything further is just for the grinders.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:18
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Astryl posted:The dichotomy is really funny. I find myself burned out on soloing dungeons and wish there was more world bosses and events to do. I'd love more bosses to do because they don't steamroll me as hard as normal mobs. For the most part they seem to be designed with phases and tells for attacks and are usually pretty ok to fight. Then random_shaman_01759 oneshots me through deep freeze with an instant attack I didn't even see.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:22
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M. Night Skymall posted:I dunno I'm almost level 80 and found the grind to level 5 renown in each zone far more unpleasant. I mean yeah it's shorter than getting 80, but very little of it was poo poo I actually wanted to do. I totally agree, it sucked rear end.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:22
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i have over 700 hours in this game now and i think its trash! like where is all the content??? ive already grinded every character to max, bought all the skins, and thats it??? thanks for nothing blizzderp going back to poe so i can finnaly enjoy my life again
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Jun 11, 2023 16:24
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Yeah. Season journey will probably give grinders something more to do as well
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Also if you don't enjoy the renown grind... why do it? Doesn't it not even carry over to the seasons?
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Theres gonna be a lot of backlash if they sell stash tabs imo. PoE can do it because its free to play.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:29
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acumen posted:Also if you don't enjoy the renown grind... why do it? Doesn't it not even carry over to the seasons? I’ve broken it up so far into chunks. I knew I’d burn out if it was all I did until I finished it. So I’ll do whispers/NM dungeons/hell tides etc and then go back to side quests/statues when I feel like taking a chunk out of a zone.
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I’m just getting the alters done and trying out all the classes and mechanics to see what I’ll do for the first season
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acumen posted:Seems like it's an intentional thing like D2 where the game is "done" around levels 70-80 and anything further is just for the grinders. In that case they shouldn't have enemies do more damage/you do less damage based on level difference, because I don't think I can kill the level 100 lillith encounter at level 80, I'll have to be at least 90 maybe more, and my gear won't actually change much between those two points. The paragon points will matter, but not nearly as much as just being closer to level 100.
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I enjoy the renown grind because I'm a little ADHD freak who likes checking boxes off, but I guess I can't bring everyone down to my level.
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Donnerberg posted:Hey, Blizzard, what if stacked Necro blight didn't turn into an impenetrable black fog? This is a pretty big issue. At the very least you need to be able to see where the corpses are, because I've had countless times when I'm trying to trigger corpse explosion or raising skeletons just to realize that I've run out of corpses and couldn't tell because it's just a black fog. You have to just hold down the corpse explosion button until your essence bonus from consuming corpses goes away. M. Night Skymall posted:I dunno I'm almost level 80 and found the grind to level 5 renown in each zone far more unpleasant. I mean yeah it's shorter than getting 80, but very little of it was poo poo I actually wanted to do. I'll be interested to see what comes out of the battle pass and other surrounding things because there is a lot of this sentiment going around one week after launch. Yeah being at level 80 now is power gaming but at the same time the staying power is questionable.
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acumen posted:Seems like it's an intentional thing like D2 where the game is "done" around levels 70-80 and anything further is just for the grinders. I'm in the early 70's and feel pretty done. Only so many times you can do the helltide --> nightmare dungeon --> whisper dungeon loop and not get bored. I don't think that's a bad thing at all though. Game had it claws in me in an intense way I haven't experienced in quite a few years. I definitely got my money's worth.
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I haven't found the renown grind to be too bad as long as you're not trying to do all of one thing at once. Look for Altars and while you're doing that pick up and complete any side quests you see. Sometimes there's like 2-4 sidequests that you can do in the same area which makes them go relatively quickly. Stop at any strongholds you see along the way too and complete those. When you're bored of that, get some friends/clanmates to run dungeons with you. Hell, knock the difficulty down a peg before going into the dungeon so you can whip through it quickly.
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:ARPG brain rot is serious. Some dudes on here ran the same tiny hallways in PoE/D3 for the equivalent of a lengthy prison sentence so that is all they know. this is an ARPG OP
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:ARPG brain rot is serious. Some dudes on here ran the same tiny hallways in PoE/D3 for the equivalent of a lengthy prison sentence so that is all they know. Strongholds and legions have been the things I've enjoyed the most thus far and it's not even close.
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:ARPG brain rot is serious. Some dudes on here ran the same tiny hallways in PoE/D3 for the equivalent of a lengthy prison sentence so that is all they know. I did Baal runs for years and enjoyed it because there was nothing better at the time.
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crepeface posted:this is an ARPG OP It was marketed as an ARPG, but is very obviously a MMOARPG a la Lost Ark.
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I said come in! posted:I did Baal runs for years and enjoyed it because there was nothing better at the time.
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Astryl posted:Strongholds and legions have been the things I've enjoyed the most thus far and it's not even close. Yeah strongholds are pretty sweet. Some are more "story" focused than others, but they all generally are harder than general content and it's more generally intense but not as long as dungeons. But ultimately you can only play them once, so hopefully they make more. People talk up the bloodtides a lot but I've not been too excited about them honestly. It's better than random grind but it's still very unstructured running around to find mobs. I feel like if they made each mob harder but with better rewards rather than easier mobs dropping a handful of currency it would work better.
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Did I miss something or was Gea Kul just not used in the story at all? Is this the cut content people are talking about? Khejestan seems wasted for story purposes.
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MikeC posted:Did I miss something or was Gea Kul just not used in the story at all? Is this the cut content people are talking about? Khejestan seems wasted for story purposes. Correct
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Astryl posted:It was marketed as an ARPG, but is very obviously a MMOARPG a la Lost Ark. god I wish I didn't get invested in Lost Ark as heavily as I did. All of that ended up being a waste of time. The progression in that game is just batshit stupid.
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MikeC posted:Did I miss something or was Gea Kul just not used in the story at all? Is this the cut content people are talking about? Khejestan seems wasted for story purposes. Feels like they were a few months out from release, didn't have story content scripted and voices recorded for Act 4 and just bolted the Andariel fight onto the end of the set-up for getting the gang back together to go to Kehjistan.
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CuddleCryptid posted:People talk up the bloodtides a lot but I've not been too excited about them honestly. It's better than random grind but it's still very unstructured running around to find mobs. I feel like if they made each mob harder but with better rewards rather than easier mobs dropping a handful of currency it would work better. I agree but also I think they’re one of the systems that shows the greatest promise for expansion. They’re also one of the things that most closely resemble a PoE league mechanic, though one of the simpler ones.
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Astryl posted:It was marketed as an ARPG, but is very obviously a MMOARPG a la Lost Ark. i didn't follow any of the marketing and i didn't play Lost Ark (or PoE for that matter), i just expected diablo. it's so bad at being diablo that diablo's not even in it.
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Hooplah posted:my friend bamboozled me into buying this game by saying it was better than d3 and was more like a mix of d2 and d3 with a dash of poe, so i figured i'd post my thoughts to him here u could play barb and make a double swing build if u wanna ignore the dumb lost ark cooldown bs. it's what I'm playing rn and while it isn't an amazing clearing build, I kill every boss (including most world bosses) in the first stun. Most of the legendary aspects u need could be picked up in dungeons and the only required affix is +x double swing.
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