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naem posted:both worst and the best fight scene ever put to film I...wow. I never knew.
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naem posted:both worst and the best fight scene ever put to film This episode obviously rules, I really appreciate YouTube telling me that this fight scene of a lumbering rubber suited man occasionally trying to swing at Captain Bronzer might be age inappropriate though. In all seriousness it’s a top five TOS episode even if the fistfight part is upper echelon stupid
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Jun 11, 2023 14:45
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Maybe the SNW crew will figure out Gorn are vulnerable to having their ears boxed.
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Jun 11, 2023 15:00
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it sucks that snw gets the gorn so incredibly wrong when they get so many other things right.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:23
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I didn't need the Gorn to be lumbering rubbermen but I also didn't need them to be predator/xenomorph hybrids.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:11
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I didn't need the Gorn to be lumbering rubbermen but I also didn't need them to be predator/xenomorph hybrids. TOS Gorn are actually just xenomorph Gorn inside a rubber suit.
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Jun 11, 2023 18:14
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I could be wrong but aren't the SNW xenomorph Gorn supposed to be babies? I thought the adults were old TOS lumberes. Watched that episode while building an Ikea cabinet so happy to be corrected.
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Olewithmilk posted:I could be wrong but aren't the SNW xenomorph Gorn supposed to be babies? I thought the adults were old TOS lumberes. Watched that episode while building an Ikea cabinet so happy to be corrected. They're xenomorph style because adult gorn lay their eggs in living humanoids.
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Jun 11, 2023 22:05
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Olewithmilk posted:I could be wrong but aren't the SNW xenomorph Gorn supposed to be babies? I thought the adults were old TOS lumberes. Watched that episode while building an Ikea cabinet so happy to be corrected.
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Jun 11, 2023 23:44
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daggummit everything's gorn wrong again
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FlamingLiberal posted:You're correct that the only ones we see are the newborn ones. Who knows if they are going to stick to the more upright humanoid version when the adults show up. The SNW Gorn looked more in line with the ENT Gorn seen in the Mirror Universe episodes. Those ones also leaned a little more towards reptilian rather than upright humanoid too.
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Jun 12, 2023 01:25
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hosed up that the orphan jem hadar episode ends with Odo going "oh yeah you were right, the boy's a killing machine from birth, i guess we cant be more than what we were designed to be" Like for a series of show's that's mostly about rising above what our instinct tells us and being the best person you can be, it's a loving jarring ending that nobody claps Odo on the back and says that regardless of how everything turned out, he did the right thing. Odo also has gone up in my books quite a bit character-wise for his actions here.
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Jun 12, 2023 01:26
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Like I know it's trying to make a punchy story point about the Dominion but come onnn, at least have one line vindicating Odo for his actions
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Jun 12, 2023 01:27
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Hollismason posted:I loving love Odo's log entry "Everything under control. End Log". loving baller move. I'm on my DS9 rewatch. I didn't think of it until now, but this coincides with the ep where Eddington is introduced and Sisko points out it has been a long time coming because Odo only files reports when he feels like it and that they're irregular or something. alexandriao posted:hosed up that the orphan jem hadar episode ends with Odo going "oh yeah you were right, the boy's a killing machine from birth, i guess we cant be more than what we were designed to be" And this also coincides with the ep where they meet the Jem Hadar guy who is immune to the white and is holding Bashir and O'Brien hostage to find a cure for his cracked out platoon. Now those are what you call "arches." What a show.
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Jun 12, 2023 01:38
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I have to bring up that og gorn fight again, just for the incredible zoom on Kirk's face, like dude realized halfway in it wasn't going to center correctly and had to make a quick left
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Jun 12, 2023 03:50
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I dunno, I kinda like what SNW has done with the Gorn. An intelligent, technologically capable species that feels genuinely alien.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:I dunno, I kinda like what SNW has done with the Gorn. An intelligent, technologically capable species that feels genuinely alien. Not really, they made them genuine Alien with chestbursters.
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A baby Gorn's gotta eat man.
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Jun 12, 2023 06:33
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Actually there's any number of species it could eat
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alexandriao posted:hosed up that the orphan jem hadar episode ends with Odo going "oh yeah you were right, the boy's a killing machine from birth, i guess we cant be more than what we were designed to be" Odo is a cop. "Some people are just born to crime" is about the least surprising take possible.
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alexandriao posted:hosed up that the orphan jem hadar episode ends with Odo going "oh yeah you were right, the boy's a killing machine from birth, i guess we cant be more than what we were designed to be" DS9 is a good show, but it doesn't have the same ethical heart that TNG does. It's not just that DS9 is meant to be edgier (and literally on the edge of the federation), but the show is different ideologically. I don't know if it is the writers, showrunners like Ira Stephen Behr, a lack of adherence to "the Gene vision", if American society hit some turning point in the mid 90s, or if DS9 just mirrors the rise in global conflicts during that time. There's some garbage takes in DS9 that the worst star trek fans just absolutely love though.
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CainFortea posted:Odo is a cop. "Some people are just born to crime" is about the least surprising take possible. No but that's my point, you have it backwards. Of ALL of the people to deal with that young Jem Hadar, Odo displayed the most Starfleet. Of all the people on the station, Odo was the only person NOT saying "some people are born to crime", with everyone else disagreeing on some level or another, and at the end the last line of the episode he's like "well i guess you were all right, sorry to bother u all". like wtf thotsky posted:DS9 is a good show, but it doesn't have the same ethical heart that TNG does. It's not just that DS9 is meant to be edgier (and literally on the edge of the federation), but the show is different ideologically. Yeah, it's why I maintain that DS9 was the direct link between the more lovely examples of nutrek, and old Trek.
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ds9 is really good for the most part but hacks love to draw the worst possible ideas from it.
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It's amazing how many people seem to miss the whole 'Section 31 are obviously evil' that the show slapped you in the face with.
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Jun 12, 2023 11:35
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DS9: Section 31 is outright evil and possibly doesn't exist outside of one delusional man. Discovery: We're Section 31, we're the good guys!
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Jun 12, 2023 11:41
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poo poo, most american tv writers can't even figure out that the cia is obviously evil.
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CainFortea posted:They're xenomorph style because adult gorn lay their eggs in living humanoids. TheDeadlyShoe posted:TOS Gorn are actually just xenomorph Gorn inside a rubber suit.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:DS9: Section 31 is outright evil and possibly doesn't exist outside of one delusional man. Even then, the minimal presence of one man getting anywhere he pleases is a much more impressive projection of power and influence then "We have our own cool fleet of super-advanced ships  ".What a Section 31 presence in Disco should've looked like is a single consistent agent leaning on someone, let's say Tilly, to get the ship going where they wanted it to be.
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DS9 was amazing to me because it took the existing utopia vision of TNG, which is rare and precious and one of the only presentations of a best case scenario society for human beings and the future, and looked at it from the outside a bit. the culture series books has another utopian post scarcity society, but almost all the stories take place outside of or in the edge of the utopia proper for a reason: there wouldn’t be as much story to tell. it is a big risk though because it’s easy for viewers of an imperfect situation like on DS9 to get caught up in the edginess and miss the goal of progress
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Eighties ZomCom posted:DS9: Section 31 is outright evil and possibly doesn't exist outside of one delusional man. Well I mean they are clearly the bad guys in discovery
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Well I mean they are clearly the bad guys in discovery Ash Tyler née Voq literally says that they're the good guys while working with Terran Cannibal Empress
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they were likely supposed to be the good guys but as always, the entire nepotism katamari writer's room was completely incompetent.
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Even though that's China Beach, it just clicked in my head that the best portrayal of Section 31 is actually Lt. Colonel Flagg on MASH.
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China Beach? From the Jenny Nicholson vampire video? He’s my brother! In Iowa he’s your brother … .. here he’s just another spent shell
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Mulaney Power Move posted:I didn't think of it until now, but this coincides with the ep where Eddington is introduced and Sisko points out it has been a long time coming because Odo only files reports when he feels like it and that they're irregular or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKIBDNunk78
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Ash Tyler née Voq literally says that they're the good guys while working with Terran Cannibal Empress Was she a cannibal in the show? Somehow disco continues to dissapoint.
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Part of me hopes this is an offshoot Gorn culture and we still get the big lizard people. The SNW people have to know about how Star Trek Online portrays them. But I can settle for them being ultra scary threats if it means some variety.
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alexandriao posted:Yeah, it's why I maintain that DS9 was the direct link between the more lovely examples of nutrek, and old Trek. Most of the time when DS9 is showing the federation doing lovely things there's an underlying "This is bad and wrong" message about it. Most of the time when NuTrek* shows the Federation doing lovely things it's actually cool and good. I guess there is a link of the Feds doing lovely things, but goddamn does NuTrek completely miss the point as to why DS9 was doing it. *NuTrek being Picard and Disco. Prodigy, LD, and SNW all appear to be just Trek.
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CainFortea posted:Was she a cannibal in the show? Somehow disco continues to dissapoint. She eats Kelpians. That's a different species so it depends on if your definition of person being a cannibal is "eats people" or "eats the same species". E: I assume Terrans don't consider non-terrans to be people at all, so she probably wouldn't consider herself a cannibal.
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