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If he can't find counsel, would they detain him and hold off on the actual arraignment hearing until he does?
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Matt Gaetz has passed the Florida bar. Just throwing that out there.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:15
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ReidRansom posted:How is at all handled with someone as difficult to work with as Trump, though? No one remotely qualified or skilled wants to work with him anymore because they've all seen how that works out. Also he's probably asking them to do crimes on his behalf. Isn't it likely he just poisons whatever relationship with anyone appointed by the court as well? Just tantrums out like a giant baby since it's his only remaining move? "Your Honor, request to treat my client as hostile." "Granted." *Lawyer for the Defense just starts punching*
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Jun 12, 2023 16:16
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gregday posted:If he can't find counsel, would they detain him and hold off on the actual arraignment hearing until he does? I don't know but it seems possible, bizarrely.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:16
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I mean if the defense plan (as has been rumored/suggested/joked) is to simply have him exist in an area until Judge Cannon can load the judge cannon with the proper legal spells to shoot him to freedom, then you don't really need an attorney.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:17
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I don't know but it seems possible, bizarrely. That’s what would happen if he were just a normal person, right?
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:That’s what would happen if he were just a normal person, right? A normal person this wouldn't happen because you'd either have a pd appointed or you'd hire someone.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:20
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normal people dont end up with 37 espionage charges
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Jun 12, 2023 16:21
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A normal person would probably have been arrested and in custody just before or right as the indictment was unsealed.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:23
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:A normal person this wouldn't happen because you'd either have a pd appointed or you'd hire someone. But if a normal person refused to hire a lawyer and made too much money for a PD they would just be detained until they hired a lawyer, right?
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ReidRansom posted:How is at all handled with someone as difficult to work with as Trump, though? No one remotely qualified or skilled wants to work with him anymore because they've all seen how that works out. Also he's probably asking them to do crimes on his behalf. Isn't it likely he just poisons whatever relationship with anyone appointed by the court as well? Just tantrums out like a giant baby since it's his only remaining move? There are true believer chud judges (Cannon) so I'm sure there's still plenty of true believer chud lawyers available to represent him. Especially in FL. So I don't know anything about legal stuff but isn't an arraignment basically where the defendants makes their plea? What role does a lawyer even play in that? And if thats all that happens would it really be detrimental for someone to represent themself?
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Sexual Aluminum posted:"Your Honor, request to treat my client as hostile." Hmm... another one for my elevator pitch to Netflix
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Jun 12, 2023 16:24
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"Mr Trump, having heard the charges against you how do you plead?" "Unpopular, your honor." "Understood. Jail forever, hundred years no trial." - The ending everyone expected to this.
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gregday posted:A normal person would probably have been arrested and in custody just before or right as the indictment was unsealed. Yeah, I mean, Winner and Manning just stayed in jail with bond denied.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:25
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Charliegrs posted:There are true believer chud judges (Cannon) so I'm sure there's still plenty of true believer chud lawyers available to represent him. Especially in FL. I assume part of it is that even chud lawyers probably want to get paid, so Trump needs to find a chud lawyer who is enough of a true believer that they'll work pro-bono. If said lawyer has to be involved beyond the arraignment, they also need to be cool with a cult trying to murder them if they lose the case, on top of having a client who ignores everything they say and maybe gets them indicited too.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:28
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Would the main reason that he can’t just hire any ambulance chaser be that they need some kind of security clearance to be involved w/r/t this evidence?
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A normal person would likely be tried in a military court right unless the documents were DoE. Most line level people who would have access to this would be active duty military and not likely people working in civilian executive jobs. If you stole documents with nuclear secrets, wouldn't that be a military trial, and straight to gitmo?
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gregday posted:If he can't find counsel, would they detain him and hold off on the actual arraignment hearing until he does? I can't see any reason why they'd do this. If they're not concerned about detaining him now, his lawyer troubles are certainly not a reason to detain him. If it seems plausible that he'd be able to get a lawyer with a little more time, they'll probably give him a little more time. If he straight-up can't find a lawyer willing to represent him, and isn't willing to represent himself, the judge will eventually just appoint a lawyer. Fork of Unknown Origins posted:But if a normal person refused to hire a lawyer and made too much money for a PD they would just be detained until they hired a lawyer, right? No. If they refuse their constitutional right to a lawyer and can convince the judge they're mentally competent, they can always represent themselves.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:49
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Looks like he got Chris Kise back for this.
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Zotix posted:A normal person would likely be tried in a military court right unless the documents were DoE. Most line level people who would have access to this would be active duty military and not likely people working in civilian executive jobs. If you stole documents with nuclear secrets, wouldn't that be a military trial, and straight to gitmo? no, no, and no basically 1) tons of non-military people have very high levels of classification and work with highly classified materials 2) unless you're in the military no military trials 3) even if you were active duty and were convicted you wouldn't get sent to gitmo you'd get sent to a military prison, eg leavenworth Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jun 12, 2023 |
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gregday posted:Looks like he got Chris Kise back for this. Kise is the one who was smart enough to get paid up front, but also got ignored because he said things that were in the best interest of his client?
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question for lawyers in here: what qualifications exactly would you even need for a lawyer to be considered capable of taking on this case? that's got to be a pretty short list of people even capable of defending him?
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Someone should tell him about ChatGPT but tell him that it's a search engine + knowledge database and let him defend himself.
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Charliegrs posted:There are true believer chud judges (Cannon) so I'm sure there's still plenty of true believer chud lawyers available to represent him. Especially in FL. They're only true believers until consequences seem imminent. That's why his former lawyers keep bailing. "Surely I will be the one to defend Trump successfully!", they crow. Then their client does something which breaches attorney-client privilege and which would land them in federal prison for decades. Then they nope out. Edit: Sounds like Trump better call Saul.
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Jun 12, 2023 17:27
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True Believer lawyer or not, Trump understands he needs an actual competent defense group here. He always has a bunch of hack lawyers in his orbit, but every time he's really faced some poo poo he's gone for legit law firms. And I have to imagine even the big gun law firms have an agreement that SOMEONE in the GOP dark money network will compensate them for their time. This time might be different due to the nature of the charges. His last two lawyers saw the indictment and peace'd out. In a sane legal world his best option is to plea, and in the trump world the best option is to hope the judge throws her career away and just nukes the case. Every competent law firm knows the first option gets them fired, and I doubt many want to be associated with the second option.
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Kise apparently managed to get $3m up front last time he represented him, and seems to be the sanest lawyer he's had. So I would imagine he's telling him that he faces real, serious prison time and getting paid tremendously well, up front, if Trump actually listens to him* and is scared. *Yeah, well, you know.
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Ynglaur posted:They're only true believers until consequences seem imminent. That's why his former lawyers keep bailing. "Surely I will be the one to defend Trump successfully!", they crow. Then their client does something which breaches attorney-client privilege and which would land them in federal prison for decades. Then they nope out. There’s also the very real possibility that the mob will turn on a lawyer who failed to get Trump acquitted and it could be a legitimate danger to their safety.
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FizFashizzle posted:True Believer lawyer or not, Trump understands he needs an actual competent defense group here. He always has a bunch of hack lawyers in his orbit, but every time he's really faced some poo poo he's gone for legit law firms. And I have to imagine even the big gun law firms have an agreement that SOMEONE in the GOP dark money network will compensate them for their time. In a sane legal world he'd have taken what was almost certainly the first advice he was given. Return the documents, let the legal team draft a bullshit mea culpa to the DOJ/whoever, and the whole thing is dropped and blows over, plus you still get to go on your bad twitter clone and claim it was all persecution and you did nothing wrong but just went along because you're so magnanimous and so on. But he just had to keep digging that hole.
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Let’s hope they are prepared for these nutters: https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1668297719889252352
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VideoGameVet posted:Let’s hope they are prepared for these nutters: “Indoctrinated”
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VideoGameVet posted:Let’s hope they are prepared for these nutters: Not a cult. No sir.
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Regardless of who his local counsel is, Trump is still going to pro hac vice some of his band of awful lawyers to do the real case. So the argument is just what local counsel is going to put their name on the line to make sure Trump's lawyers follow the local rules. If the local counsel is not a full-on chud, there is very little reward for a great deal of reputational risk.
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https://twitter.com/occupydemocrats/status/1668076185803190278?s=46&t=4HCQHNrQSCCyTv5_MzlCTw
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Jun 12, 2023 18:59
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Cool Occupy Democrats link.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Cool Occupy Democrats link. If the top conservative lawyer did say those things, why not source the quote? Why not source anything claimed in the tweet? Oh right, because the story was actually a ruse to link to another twitter clone
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Xiahou Dun posted:Cool Occupy Democrats link. Is this better I don't actually know https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1667965151411159040
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Jun 12, 2023 19:10
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kiimo posted:Is this better I don't actually know I have bad news.
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Remember when twitter only showed you tweets from accounts you followed good times
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Question, do lawyers without security clearances get to view documents that require clearances? Like do the restrictions get waived or do they need to fill out the form and go through the process?
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quote:I would love to do it. I think the case is weak. LOL, this loving lawyer. I've seen multiple lawyers who are loath to project *any* sense of certainty around the law call this a strong case. At least one has said its the strongest case they've seen in their career, bar none.
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