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Can confirm. I've played pillowfort before with my old Queen Marchesa deck and it was quite approved of. It's also kinda boring to play because you uh. Don't really act until the end of the game. Kinda fun to set up puzzles for battlecruisers to solve when they don't pack enough removal though. Nothing that stops them from doing their thing, just stuff that stops them from doing their thing to me.
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Heroic Intervention and Teferis Protection and that kinda thing are my jam. Makes an enemy boardwipe your friend. A gentle but firm way to say "no thanks" to whatever terrible thing they want to do to my precious board.
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I wish our LGS had a way to anonymously report players for being pieces of poo poo because tonight at commander night my partner was in a pod with someone piloting an Obeka deck that they were actively using to bully the other three players and basically had game by turn 4 but intentionally slow played and held back (while taunting that they were holding back) because they knew they would get penalized for not letting the game happen (too quick of a win for casual) and that they couldn't farm points if they did so, but they were still making the game such a drag that the rest of the pod were visibly demoralized afterwards. Like for more high power/competitive stuff I can get it but casual FMN commander? Come on dude
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Jun 10, 2023 05:57
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Mix. posted:I wish our LGS had a way to anonymously report players for being pieces of poo poo because tonight at commander night my partner was in a pod with someone piloting an Obeka deck that they were actively using to bully the other three players and basically had game by turn 4 but intentionally slow played and held back (while taunting that they were holding back) because they knew they would get penalized for not letting the game happen (too quick of a win for casual) and that they couldn't farm points if they did so, but they were still making the game such a drag that the rest of the pod were visibly demoralized afterwards. Like for more high power/competitive stuff I can get it but casual FMN commander? Come on dude I would suggest your partner (and the other two people) concede at that point. They can then play another match more to their liking while waiting for the next round.
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Jun 10, 2023 06:02
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People should concede more often and just play more games.
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Jun 10, 2023 21:05
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it was the last game of the night so there wasn't going to be a next round, if they conceded then people would be going home as it as 11pm already 
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Jun 10, 2023 21:24
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Mix. posted:it was the last game of the night so there wasn't going to be a next round, if they conceded then people would be going home as it as 11pm already I mean they could have just played a three-person game amongst themselves once it became obvious what #4 was doing.
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Jun 10, 2023 22:34
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Batterypowered7 posted:I mean they could have just played a three-person game amongst themselves once it became obvious what #4 was doing. The only way 1-person can out value 3 people is stax or combo. If 1 person is just kind of toying with three other people the 3 don’t run interaction and removal.
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Jun 10, 2023 22:43
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pseudanonymous posted:The only way 1-person can out value 3 people is stax or combo. If 1 person is just kind of toying with three other people the 3 don’t run interaction and removal. from what i saw (i was next table over for half of it) they tried but because of his commander he could just exile their spells since it was on his turn, and he was running/tutoring for the extra turn spells that say you lose at end of turn so by the time his combo started people weren't capable of using their interaction.
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Jun 10, 2023 23:31
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Mix. posted:from what i saw (i was next table over for half of it) they tried but because of his commander he could just exile their spells since it was on his turn, and he was running/tutoring for the extra turn spells that say you lose at end of turn so by the time his combo started people weren't capable of using their interaction. Yeah Obeka can be super nasty if you have the right amount of cash to pay for the cards that give you extra turns and card draw, or just print out the proxies, then like you said she just cuts off the bad effect early and keeps going with no consequences. Obeka is the kind of commander that I'm glad Oubliette got a reprinting for.
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Jun 10, 2023 23:53
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My buddy runs an Obeka deck and yeah she's kos otherwise they poo poo happens He had the audacity to claim we were ganging up in him whenever we'd delete her instantaneously lol
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Jun 11, 2023 12:39
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Johnny Truant posted:He had the audacity to claim we were ganging up in him whenever we'd delete her instantaneously lol Maybe I'm the one with hosed up thinking but when I'm a piece away from locking the board down or am playing one of my pain in the rear end decks, I don't see people ganging up on me as something to complain about. Threat assessment is value and if I'm the threat, then I guess my deck is working that game.
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Jun 11, 2023 13:23
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Robviously posted:Maybe I'm the one with hosed up thinking but when I'm a piece away from locking the board down or am playing one of my pain in the rear end decks, I don't see people ganging up on me as something to complain about. Threat assessment is value and if I'm the threat, then I guess my deck is working that game. Oh yeah we immediately called him out on trying to play the victim and he walked it back lol What can I say, if you play a deck where your commander is kos and it's integral to your desk you better be prepared to defend the gently caress outta it, and he was not that game think we instant deleted her three separate times haha
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Jun 11, 2023 13:34
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I wanted to like Obeka but it's the same gimmick every turn. It's not clever or novel or impressive.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:14
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I played against an Obeka deck a few weeks ago that was 70% grixis cedh staples and 30% the worst loving cards you’ve ever seen and the game was almost entirely the Obeka player doing dumb poo poo and getting to turn Final Fortune and its 20 reprints into Time Walks.
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Jun 11, 2023 19:01
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Kadath posted:I played against an Obeka deck a few weeks ago that was 70% grixis cedh staples and 30% the worst loving cards you’ve ever seen and the game was almost entirely the Obeka player doing dumb poo poo and getting to turn Final Fortune and its 20 reprints into Time Walks. That's literally the point of obeka.
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Jun 11, 2023 19:23
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This discussion is timely because I was sorta thinking about making an Obeka deck. Though I was more thinking of becoming the most annoying person by playing it as “Group Hug” by being a helpful friend and giving them a Assault Suited Delina to do rude things with or whatever. Which I’m pretty sure would go up in flames because literally every other deck using Obeka just wanting to be the most annoying person by casting undercoated time walks. Instead of the annoying person being a mob boss about people ending their turns. And also that don’t actually know if there’s enough dumb ways to convince my opponents to end their turns early.
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Jun 11, 2023 19:27
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The funnier Obeka deck is to just play every Threaten effect and steal everyone else's poo poo permanently
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Jun 11, 2023 20:22
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Silhouette posted:The funnier Obeka deck is to just play every Threaten effect and steal everyone else's poo poo permanently I believe cards like Act of Treason and Act of Aggression don't work with Obeka/Sundial of the Infinite because the part of the effect that returns the creature to its controller isn't a separate trigger (or a trigger at all) and the creature would go back to its controller at cleanup. Now, you can Donate or use Bazaar Trader to give yourself permanent control of the creature you stole.
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Jun 11, 2023 20:40
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Batterypowered7 posted:I believe cards like Act of Treason and Act of Aggression don't work with Obeka/Sundial of the Infinite because the part of the effect that returns the creature to its controller isn't a separate trigger (or a trigger at all) and the creature would go back to its controller at cleanup. Now, you can Donate or use Bazaar Trader to give yourself permanent control of the creature you stole. That's correct.
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Jun 11, 2023 20:47
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I do know that one of the cards he was using to stymie any retaliation was Zara, Renegade Recruiter because he could end the turn with her 'return to hand' clause on the stack and since he was taking extra turns and then ending the turn immediately he could just keep delaying it for each extra creature he was stealing without having to change any of his gameplan.
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Jun 11, 2023 20:49
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Mix. posted:I do know that one of the cards he was using to stymie any retaliation was Zara, Renegade Recruiter because he could end the turn with her 'return to hand' clause on the stack and since he was taking extra turns and then ending the turn immediately he could just keep delaying it for each extra creature he was stealing without having to change any of his gameplan. Seems like an exceptional value if your opponents hands are full of overcosted garbage creatures they shouldn't be playing instead of interaction.
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Jun 11, 2023 21:08
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Toshimo posted:Seems like an exceptional value if your opponents hands are full of overcosted garbage creatures they shouldn't be playing instead of interaction. Your replies always feel so hostile, Goddamn.
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Jun 11, 2023 21:13
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Obeka seems fun as a low power commander than can make permanent tokens that are created with delayed trigger abilities that caused them to be exiled, but I usually play over beers with friends and it seems like such a finnicky "I do this as we enter this step" type deck that I just settled for building a Xyris "snake token machine go brrrrrrrrrr" deck.
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Jun 11, 2023 21:43
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Batterypowered7 posted:I believe cards like Act of Treason and Act of Aggression don't work with Obeka/Sundial of the Infinite because the part of the effect that returns the creature to its controller isn't a separate trigger (or a trigger at all) and the creature would go back to its controller at cleanup. Now, you can Donate or use Bazaar Trader to give yourself permanent control of the creature you stole. boo
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Jun 11, 2023 22:14
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It would work with uh... Slave of Bolas!
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I run Obeka with Zara, Renegade Recruiter and Puppeteer Clique and Identity Thief because all of those DO work to let you keep stuff. Encore and Myriad effects are also good fun, as well as Mimic Vat. I do run a few nasty things, like Glorious End, but only as a way to stop someone winning once.
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I had a gimmicky little deck with Sidris the Traitor King and Obeka to Unearth things and end the turn to keep them but it was a little too inconsistent.
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TheKingslayer posted:I had a gimmicky little deck with Sidris the Traitor King and Obeka to Unearth things and end the turn to keep them but it was a little too inconsistent. One of my oldest decks (like, first built during Alara old) is a Sedris deck, and I tried doing Obeka and Sundial with it, but honestly it's just too expensive to unearth dudes and expect to get value by keeping them around unless you are running a bunch of cheap guys that unearth themselves (which is a weird choice). The deck is pretty much like it always was -- wheels, rummage and looting effects (a lot more of those these days), living death with things that do damage when creatures come into play, etc. By the time you get 9+ mana to get Sedris and an unearth guy, that guy should be combining or tutoring the way to win, not hoping to keep them around until your next turn.
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Batterypowered7 posted:Your replies always feel so hostile, Goddamn. Most decks and things people do in edh are basically hot garbage because people refuse to run interaction. Then people complain, after a while being like hey blow up their dumb gimmick poo poo in response just gets like… Also we have a running competition to be the threads bad cop.
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Jun 12, 2023 02:59
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The last time I played my Snow tribal deck and scried like 20 times and kept nothing on top really learned me good about my deck building habits.
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Sega 32X posted:One of my oldest decks (like, first built during Alara old) is a Sedris deck, and I tried doing Obeka and Sundial with it, but honestly it's just too expensive to unearth dudes and expect to get value by keeping them around unless you are running a bunch of cheap guys that unearth themselves (which is a weird choice). The deck is pretty much like it always was -- wheels, rummage and looting effects (a lot more of those these days), living death with things that do damage when creatures come into play, etc. By the time you get 9+ mana to get Sedris and an unearth guy, that guy should be combining or tutoring the way to win, not hoping to keep them around until your next turn. Exactly. It just felt like I was making myself wait a turn to actually win the game for no good reason the way I was doing it. Ended up just spinning the cards into a Gisa and Geralf deck and that's way more fun.
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I’ve got an Obeka deck based on playing big goofy cards that have downside triggers (like Eater of Days, and Lord of Tresserhorn). I didn’t know that she was a KOS / stax commander… guess I’ll be taking that deck apart.
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generatrix posted:I’ve got an Obeka deck based on playing big goofy cards that have downside triggers (like Eater of Days, and Lord of Tresserhorn). I didn’t know that she was a KOS / stax commander… guess I’ll be taking that deck apart. There’s a variety of ways to take infinite turns with her.
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Jun 12, 2023 17:07
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generatrix posted:I’ve got an Obeka deck based on playing big goofy cards that have downside triggers (like Eater of Days, and Lord of Tresserhorn). I didn’t know that she was a KOS / stax commander… guess I’ll be taking that deck apart. How was that deck supposed to function? Just bringing out huge creatures with massive downsides and go wide?
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Jun 12, 2023 17:16
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Jiro posted:How was that deck supposed to function? Just bringing out huge creatures with massive downsides and go wide? I'd rather do the reverse with The Beamtown Bullies and give others the bad creatures. I almost proxied the deck out, but I don't think I'd ever want to play it at a casual table, and it's too cute for cEDH.
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Batterypowered7 posted:I'd rather do the reverse with The Beamtown Bullies and give others the bad creatures. I almost proxied the deck out, but I don't think I'd ever want to play it at a casual table, and it's too cute for cEDH. Yeah same, just handing out awful creatures. I wonder if there's a way to make it just janky enough for it to work at a casual-ish table or at least with friends of mine that can sometimes get competitive.
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The LotR Commander decks come out with the release next Friday, not the prerelease this Friday? Anyone planning on building any of the commanders from the set? The three that catch my eye are the UR Gandalf, the Grixis Sauron, and the GW Samwise. Gandalf looks like an interesting UR blink instants & sorceries matter deck, but might have the Locust God problem where he costs more than 4 and doesn't do anything and has no protection if you cast him on curve... not without the free counterspells that cost a lot of money. Sauron has pseudo-hexproof, and has, for free: a self-growing creature, a draw-4 effect, and makes your creatures better (I think; I have to re-read what the Ring tempting does, I'll never remember). Samwise does stuff with food tokens, which is much more appealing than dealing with treasure tokens yet again. Reanimating historic cards is a unique effect, and with all the self-mill effects in green I think he can power out some dangerous stuff very early.
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The only one of the decks I'm getting is the abzan one but that's mostly just because a bunch of the new cards slot into existing decks 
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LifeLynx posted:Anyone planning on building any of the commanders from the set? The precons themselves are pretty awful (although the BWG Hobbit one has some good reprint equity). I mean, FFS, the RUB Sauron one has a curve that starts at 3 and basically no ramp, it's completely unplayable out of the box. As far as the new stuff in them goes, gently caress Gavin personally for making another goddamn voting deck (NOW WITH SECRET VOTING). Sauron is too expensive to be playable, the food stuff is generally all bad because Food.dec doesn't actually advance your board position (good Sam who combos with cat is not in the precon). UWR Aragorn is kinda cool, though, but really only for super-slow battlecruiser tables.
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