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One of the "subtle" things I appreciate is when Eikons fight, they cause tremendous amounts of death and collateral damage. It really sells the idea, ok these people are human nukes. They cause incredible destruction they barely have any control over.
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Clive mom talk Even if she wasn’t a Sanbreque agent she has a lot of reason to kinda project bad feels on Clive. Rosaria’s legitimacy mostly runs on holding the Phoenix. There was a reasonably long gap where she had one son and that son WASN’T the dominant they were supposed to be, which would cast her legitimacy into question. That’s a classic recipe for “it’s this kid’s fault for being born bad not mine, I didn’t fail as a mother they failed as a son”.
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Jun 13, 2023 04:12
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MonsterEnvy posted:How so Lucrecia did not even get to be a mom. willingly had a child with hojo willingly let hojo inject the child with alien cells as a fetus makes literally zero attempts to get her child back when he is taken away, canonically what she does after he's born is finish writing a couple of research papers and then mope in a cave for 30 years. not a single attempt at any sort of contact.
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Jun 13, 2023 04:14
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Loose ends need to get tied off. To her mind, why risk some replaceable commoner outing the fact you were instrumental in infanticide? Now she's the ruler of Rosarria with lots of sympathy for her family being wiped out in an ambush she controls the narrative of. Yeah, my thoughts at that part were "huh, surprised those two will be kept around after all the things th- ... oh."
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Jun 13, 2023 04:52
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that loving demo went hard, holy crap. didnt expect that level of blood and violence from a FF game, drat. This is amazing.
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Jun 13, 2023 04:54
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One other takeaway I had from the demo is that I think there might be a Clive/Jill romance. The scene with her and Clive under the moon where Clive seems to be hesitating to put his arm around her seems to imply that. It's hard to understand his actions there much otherwise, unless it's just "he doesn't know if it's okay given her status as a ward" (which doesn't seem to be the case, since they otherwise seem to treat Jill as a member of the family). I kinda hope it is just because I like having romance in my melodramatic story and Jill seems cool. If she didn't join the family at a very young age it's not too weird. Captain Oblivious posted:Clive mom talk I mean sure, but it's still obvious she was still working with Sanbreque; her betraying Rosalia because she doesn't like Clive doesn't exactly make sense. It's obvious she had zero attachment to anyone outside of wanting to preserve Joshua as a military asset. It's also why she was so cold to literally everyone who wasn't Joshua or the Duke. It seems pretty clear to me that the general situation is something along the lines of Rosaria has a (supposed) alliance with Sanbreque, and I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually because Clive/Joshua's mom is from Sanbreque - a political marriage leading to the "alliance." But the whole arrangement was always a sham and intended to destroy Rosaria and (ideally) steal its Eikon. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Jun 13, 2023 05:41
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Ytlaya posted:One other takeaway I had from the demo is that I think there might be a Clive/Jill romance. The scene with her and Clive under the moon where Clive seems to be hesitating to put his arm around her seems to imply that. It's hard to understand his actions there much otherwise, unless it's just "he doesn't know if it's okay given her status as a ward" (which doesn't seem to be the case, since they otherwise seem to treat Jill as a member of the family). The latest trailer does show adult Clive and adult Jill acting a bit couple-y, and personally I had always figured that there would be that aspect anyway.
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Jun 13, 2023 05:49
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I watched the trailers again and I think I can confirm that the dog is ok
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Jun 13, 2023 05:59
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What if Torgal didn’t survive the attack at all and the Torgal accompanying you is Ghost Torgal jurassic barking til the bitter end
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Jun 13, 2023 06:05
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Don't worry, given the timeframe the dog will probably die of old age within the span of the game.
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Jun 13, 2023 06:07
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Thank god. I was worried we would lack for opportunities to traumatize Clive
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Jun 13, 2023 06:08
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The ending is going to be Phoenix resurrecting every single character and having them kick Clive right in the dick.
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Ytlaya posted:One other takeaway I had from the demo is that I think there might be a Clive/Jill romance. The scene with her and Clive under the moon where Clive seems to be hesitating to put his arm around her seems to imply that. It's hard to understand his actions there much otherwise, unless it's just "he doesn't know if it's okay given her status as a ward" (which doesn't seem to be the case, since they otherwise seem to treat Jill as a member of the family). If you walk around in the castle you can overhear conversations about how a lot of people already think they're going to get married or are functionally a couple already. As for the ending of the demo, right before Clive starts freaking out about Ifrit beating up Phoenix he calls out "Torgal?" and you can hear Torgal whimpering, so there's some questions there. What the dog doing?
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Jun 13, 2023 06:43
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Torgal is the Fenrir dominant, calling it.
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Jun 13, 2023 06:44
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lmao i cannot believe the Final Fantasy XVI demo ended with the Dummy Plug scene from Neon Genesis Evangelion. What a way to start a game. This game is soooo influenced by the design sensibilities of Final Fantasy 14, it's really interesting to see. Like the marsh village clearly had a Final Fantasy 14 dungeon structure to its pacing. I haven't played the bonus midgame dungeon yet, but from the live event, it looks like this game's meta is based around optimizing your burst rotation during regularly occurring damage buff intervals. Which is such an MMO way to design combat, but it builds naturally on the FF13 and FF7R combat. The dragoon boss fight intro had me grinning like crazy. As did the whole eikon battle sequence, which felt like a music video for Soken's wild orchestra. the game freakin rules. I'm here to ride or die with this sad boy.
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Terper posted:If you walk around in the castle you can overhear conversations about how a lot of people already think they're going to get married or are functionally a couple already. hiding under a wooden stair whining in fear most likely
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Just completed the demo. Really good so far! I just hope that all the trailers and presentations I have seen so far have spoiled me like a crappy movie trailer. A little hesitant to play the Eikon Challenge if only because I don't want to burn myself out playing on a full kit then have to go back to level 10. Then again, I can and will change my mind on a whim. Anyway, end of demo speculation: I am guessing that Ifrit is coming from Clive, but it is like an aborted half life attempt at a Pheonix Eikon, and that someone else, through some black magic fuckery (probably the Also, I kind of love Clive's VA going all in on the impotent rage while he is vowing vengence on Ifrit. EDIT: Furthermore, I liked the brief segment where you play as Joshua, which makes it clear that this kid could be scary powerful if he wasn't a frail little boy Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Jun 13, 2023 06:52
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Ohtsam posted:hiding under a wooden stair whining in fear most likely No the point is how can Clive hear that if he's currently, uh, occupied? Like the way the scene is framed, the way it goes immediately from that to the other, just feels strange to me and intentionally so.
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Anyway, a minor gripe I have is that the timing for magic burst seems a bit tighter than I like but nothing I can't adjust to.
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I believe upgrading it makes the timing more lenient
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Terper posted:No the point is how can Clive hear that if he's currently, uh, occupied? Like the way the scene is framed, the way it goes immediately from that to the other, just feels strange to me and intentionally so. He was asleep at the wheel as Ifrit, and when he hears Torgal whining he wakes up, but realizes that Ifrit is on autopilot and he can't control it. Also lol @ naming the god-child with power over healing and resurrection "Joshua"
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Jun 13, 2023 07:17
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Eikonic Challenge is a full-on story slice with boss fights that have some actual mechanics in a sense, it is absolutely worth playing unless you don't want to see any story from what I assume is like 5-6 hours into the game (though it could be less!)
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Cephas posted:He was asleep at the wheel as Ifrit, and when he hears Torgal whining he wakes up, but realizes that Ifrit is on autopilot and he can't control it. That would be some real "Goku realizes he was the one who killed his Grandpa" poo poo. I mean, that is very likely the point, but yeah. Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Ibblebibble posted:Torgal is the Fenrir dominant, calling it. I bet anything this is correct.
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Jun 13, 2023 07:29
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Torgal is the Dark Ifrit Dominant. All the "cute Torgal" marketing is a massive attempt at misdirection. Make everyone buy the plushies before they play the game and learn Torgal is a MURDERER
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Jun 13, 2023 07:39
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this combo video is making my brain expand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pStFbNH22S4
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Cephas posted:He was asleep at the wheel as Ifrit, and when he hears Torgal whining he wakes up, but realizes that Ifrit is on autopilot and he can't control it. Again the point is, how can he hear Torgal as if he's close by if he's currently pummeling Joshua into the dirt and how is he able to see the events from a third person perspective? My theory is well, he doesn't. We see three perspectives in that scene. The first is Torgal's, down on the ground, and this is when we hear the whining that Clive is also able to hear. Clive's voice calling out might make the viewer thing we're seeing this from Clive's perspective, but we hear Joshua's voice just as well from this pov. The second perspective is Clive's as Ifrit, not much to add there. And finally the screen filter is removed and we go back to the regular camera perspective. tldr Ibblebibble posted:Torgal is the Fenrir dominant, calling it.
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Xerophyte posted:Don't worry, given the timeframe the dog will probably die of old age within the span of the game. I was thinking about that. He's like 14 years old when Clive is in his 20s, which is already old age for some dogs. This is a fantasy creature though so who knows maybe there's a fair God in that world and you get 25 year old dogs who are ok for the segment set in Clive's 30s
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ImpAtom posted:I was 100% surprised that Wade and Taylor were not named Biggs and Wedge TBH. Same, as soon as I saw them I was like "it's biggs and wedge!!" And then they said their names and they weren't 
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The chocobo brains are the only part that’s an embellishment on how gross classic tanning was.
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that dragoon was so incredibly cool, i cant believe it was just a nameless midboss.
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Captain Oblivious posted:The chocobo brains are the only part that’s an embellishment on how gross classic tanning was. I remember that coming up in the Assassin's Creed Origins demo when people were questioning why a tannery was well outside of city limits. Turns out there were very good reasons for that.
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I have replayed the Eikonic Challnge like 7 times and just now realized you can give Torgal orders.
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I’m enjoying the slight crutch of having the game slow down as dodge windows open up. Truly helping my old man brain
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The dragoon was voiced by Estinien's VA right? If not then it's a drat close impression.
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Draga posted:The dragoon was voiced by Estinien's VA right? If not then it's a drat close impression. Apparently yes. I look forward to him showing up as a dragoon in FFXVII or whatever from now on.
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Are Cid and the Garuda lady not actual dominants? Or were they choosing to not go full Eikon mode there? EDIT: Looking at the bios on the official site they are indeed dominants. I guess going full Eikon is a last resort Nelson Mandingo posted:One of the "subtle" things I appreciate is when Eikons fight, they cause tremendous amounts of death and collateral damage. It really sells the idea, ok these people are human nukes. They cause incredible destruction they barely have any control over. It does raise the question of why Rosaria wasn’t immediately steamrolled when their previous dominant died. It seems like the only way to stop a Eikon is with another Eikon RatHat fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Draga posted:The dragoon was voiced by Estinien's VA right? If not then it's a drat close impression. Same VA, doing the exact same voice. And y'know when you have a perfect dragoon voice, you might as well use it.
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Kinda shocked and unsettled by just how normalized slavery is in the setting. I assume his experience being enslaved himself will be part of why Clive ends up becoming part of Cidolfus' abolitionist group, but it really doesn't say much good about even his father beforehand that a Branded was reduced to a terrified and nonvocal wreck in the household's service. That's shockingly bleak for a protagonist homeland.
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