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Is there any good Twitter people who will be in the courtroom posting about today's indictment?
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Lawfare has a new episode up where Ben Wittes et Al read through and discuss the entire indictment. It’s almost 2 hours long but might be interesting background noise to put on during work today.
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Jun 13, 2023 11:33
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Randalor posted:Is there any good Twitter people who will be in the courtroom posting about today's indictment? Apparently there were no phones in the courthouse so we may not get live tweets but Anna Bower of lawfare has been good about taking notes and writing regular summaries whenever she's been in a courthouse covering stuff.
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Jun 13, 2023 12:41
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V-Men posted:Apparently there were no phones in the courthouse so we may not get live tweets but Anna Bower of lawfare has been good about taking notes and writing regular summaries whenever she's been in a courthouse covering stuff. So we have to wait for the end of the day to hear about Trump getting more and more irritable through the indictment as he keeps trying to talk over the magistrate, the magistrate getting angrier and angrier, and finally culminating in the magistrate ordering him gagged, Trump trying to storm out and taking a swing at the guards, and finally being detained and thrown in jail overnight? Yes that's just fanfiction, but come on, just try to tell me you wouldn't want to see him spend even one night for acting like a petulant little poo poo for once. I'll also take "Trump sat quietly and patiently through the whole thing and peacefully left the courtroom without making a massive court circus of the whole ordeal. Which is also fanfiction at this point.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:36
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Randalor posted:So we have to wait for the end of the day to hear about Trump getting more and more irritable through the indictment as he keeps trying to talk over the magistrate, the magistrate getting angrier and angrier, and finally culminating in the magistrate ordering him gagged, Trump trying to storm out and taking a swing at the guards, and finally being detained and thrown in jail overnight? I can maybe see it happening. Depends where he is on his narcissistic rage cycle. If he blew up real good at his lawyers when he fired them he may be able to bottle up his anger enough to get through it silently.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:49
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Randalor posted:So we have to wait for the end of the day to hear about Trump getting more and more irritable through the indictment as he keeps trying to talk over the magistrate, the magistrate getting angrier and angrier, and finally culminating in the magistrate ordering him gagged, Trump trying to storm out and taking a swing at the guards, and finally being detained and thrown in jail overnight? This gave me a mental image of “TRUMP SMASH” and I will admit to having a sensible chuckle.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:50
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He sat through the Carroll arraignment quietly, though apparently started getting fidgety and "visibly annoyed" by the end. The dude probably can't sit for more than an hour in one place.
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Jun 13, 2023 13:54
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I hope they have a good security cordon around the courthouse given the like multiple specific threats posted in here of Jan 6ing it.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:04
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Arraignment hearings are generally pretty fast and boring. Trump will just sit there and listen to them read the charges, he will plead "not guilty," and then they will do some scheduling/bond paperwork. You're not really missing anything by not being able to see Trump sitting in a chair for 40 minutes.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:10
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If Trump needs someone with a law degree who has held or holds a high level clearance and has experience getting out of charges of espionage/mishandling classified information, Hillary Clinton hits that trifecta.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:11
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V-Men posted:If Trump needs someone with a law degree who has held or holds a high level clearance and has experience getting out of charges of espionage/mishandling classified information, Hillary Clinton hits that trifecta. How long does it take to pass the Florida bar thing?
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Jun 13, 2023 14:31
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According to the latest Legal Eagle video, it sounds like it's super common for a non-local attorney to work with a local attorney where the non-local guy would do all the work and the local guy would stamp his name on it and present the case. If that's true then I'm sure he would have no issues finding a local grifter to argue the case his "real" lawyers come up with? e: Not his latest video, the one before it about the ChatGPT lawyers. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Jun 13, 2023 14:38
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Likely unanswerable, but what's the point of banning cellular phones in the courtroom? Surely the lawyers are all using laptops these days, which would have a wireless connection anyway? Or are courts set up with wireless having no external access (again, what would be the point of that in 2023)? I thought of this because I know Gregg shorthand and was musing over the difficulty of getting direct quotes in these situations, especially when the defendant rambles unintelligibly. (Imagine any live recording, T looking like a little child who just got spanked. It would quickly peel off that false idol worship they have going on, makeup removed, etc.)
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Jun 13, 2023 14:47
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I think it’s more common than not that all electronic devices are banned. https://www.flsd.uscourts.gov/prohibited-electronic-devices The second pdf: quote:All electronic devices including but not limited to Cellular Phones, Pagers, Personal Data Assistants (PDA), Laptop Computers, Tape Recorders, etc., are prohibited from being brought into any federal courthouse facility within the Southern District of Florida with the following exceptions: As for why are these banned in 2023? Boomers gonna boomer. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Jun 13, 2023 14:49
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Likely unanswerable, but what's the point of banning cellular phones in the courtroom? Surely the lawyers are all using laptops these days, which would have a wireless connection anyway? Or are courts set up with wireless having no external access (again, what would be the point of that in 2023)? Recording of court events is generally banned for anyone outside of the Electronic Court Reporter. That is the primary reason. There are also other minor issues like security concerns because someone could hide a blade or explosive in a phone and people forgetting to turn off their phones could disrupt court events. Several of the state courthouses in my area are running pilot programs where they are allowing anyone to bring in their phones, so it is changing in some places. I imagine that federal courts will be the last place to change, if they ever do. They lean overwhelmingly on the side of safety and reducing distractions and have banned any kind of recording device in federal courtrooms since the 70's.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:52
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It’s a lot easier to surreptitiously capture photos/video with a phone than a laptop.
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Jun 13, 2023 14:55
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Arraignment hearings are generally pretty fast and boring. Trump will just sit there and listen to them read the charges, he will plead "not guilty," and then they will do some scheduling/bond paperwork. What happens if Trump decides to Trump and instead of just saying "Not guilty" instead either says something along the lines of "Not guilty, but all those documents were mine anyways" or "Of course I took them, they were all declassified"? Does the case still move forward or does it go immediately to sentencing because he just confessed to the crime while in court?
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Jun 13, 2023 14:57
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Randalor posted:What happens if Trump decides to Trump and instead of just saying "Not guilty" instead either says something along the lines of "Not guilty, but all those documents were mine anyways" or "Of course I took them, they were all declassified"? Does the case still move forward or does it go immediately to sentencing because he just confessed to the crime while in court? The case moves forward
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Jun 13, 2023 15:00
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Randalor posted:What happens if Trump decides to Trump and instead of just saying "Not guilty" instead either says something along the lines of "Not guilty, but all those documents were mine anyways" or "Of course I took them, they were all declassified"? Does the case still move forward or does it go immediately to sentencing because he just confessed to the crime while in court? He would probably get yelled at by the judge and maybe held in contempt of court if he kept doing it over and over. I doubt he will be doing that, though. The case would still move forward even if he confessed to everything, but the prosecution could use anything he said in the trial. It would be very funny if that did happen, but Trump is most likely not going to say anything except "not guilty" and whisper to his attorneys for the entire proceeding. There is very little that the defendant needs to say at an arraignment hearing.
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Jun 13, 2023 15:02
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Randalor posted:What happens if Trump decides to Trump and instead of just saying "Not guilty" instead either says something along the lines of "Not guilty, but all those documents were mine anyways" or "Of course I took them, they were all declassified"? Does the case still move forward or does it go immediately to sentencing because he just confessed to the crime while in court? At the arraignment, the only thing that matters is the plea. If he says nothing or dissembles, a not guilty plea will be entered by default and the case will proceed to trial.
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Jun 13, 2023 15:03
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Randalor posted:What happens if Trump decides to Trump and instead of just saying "Not guilty" instead either says something along the lines of "Not guilty, but all those documents were mine anyways" or "Of course I took them, they were all declassified"? Does the case still move forward or does it go immediately to sentencing because he just confessed to the crime while in court? Fortunately we had an excellent PSA made to answer this very question back in the 1990's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnVP4cr9X0U Boris Galerkin posted:I think it’s more common than not that all electronic devices are banned. There are legitimate reasons for banning them. The best one is to do with the fact that anyone can have a recording device, not members of the media who are (notionally) trained in what can and can't be reported. There was a major murder trial here that almost collapsed because a member of the public (who was a Dutch citizen who claimed he was an "online journalist", I believe he was just a blogger) was Live Tweeting sensitive legal arguments being made in the absence of the jury.
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Jun 13, 2023 15:08
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https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1668620475143188482
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Jun 13, 2023 15:22
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Oof, hope he got cash for it with a disclaimer like that on the bottom. Only smart lawyer I've seen around Trump is that guy that got $3 million up front then got sidelined for giving actual advice instead of kissing rear end and doing more crimes.
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Jun 13, 2023 15:28
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bird food bathtub posted:Oof, hope he got cash for it with a disclaimer like that on the bottom. Only smart lawyer I've seen around Trump is that guy that got $3 million up front then got sidelined for giving actual advice instead of kissing rear end and doing more crimes. That was this same guy (Kise).
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Jun 13, 2023 15:29
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Trump gets executed today?
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I take no pleasure in this.
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Jun 13, 2023 15:52
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ben shapino posted:Trump gets executed today? Technically, the indictment from the federal grand jury is officially being executed against Trump today. So, yes.
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Jun 13, 2023 15:54
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Executing trumpcrimes.exe
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Jun 13, 2023 15:56
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Failed Imagineer posted:Executing trumpcrimes.exe This is one of those self-expanding archives which spews files everywhere and leaves a mess.
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Jun 13, 2023 16:00
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Failed Imagineer posted:Executing trumpcrimes.exe Buffer overflow
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Jun 13, 2023 16:01
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Silly Burrito posted:This is one of those self-expanding archives which spews files everywhere and leaves a mess. A Zip.Bomb of pure crimes that crashes the democracy OS
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Jun 13, 2023 16:41
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So is there gonna be a TV IV thread for the arrest and arraignment (as much as can be expected before Trump enters the courthouse)?
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Jun 13, 2023 17:25
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Randalor posted:Is there any good Twitter people who will be in the courtroom posting about today's indictment? Legal Eagle has a pretty decent recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KRceywz-rU
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Jun 13, 2023 17:29
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cr0y posted:Buffett overflow
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Jun 13, 2023 17:35
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marshmonkey posted:I take no pleasure in this. Did Louise Mensch (sp?) ever address this whole thing after the fact?
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Jun 13, 2023 17:44
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https://twitter.com/markmobility/status/1668641171097239553 I don't think January 6th II is going to happen if Trump's only mustering up this little of a presence.
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Jun 13, 2023 17:50
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Maybe Jan 6 was all of them.
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Jun 13, 2023 17:53
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It's basically impossible for chuds to do those sort of massive "everyone shows up" like Unite the Right/Jan 6th nowadays because any attempt at organizing anything like that online is immediately proclaimed a false flag antifa fed plot, the best they can do is the stuff where a more organized group like the Proud Boys shows up with a couple dozen people plus a few rando freaks.
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Jun 13, 2023 17:59
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Who would have guessed that being incredibly paranoid and hateful would have an impact on their ability to organize?
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I wonder if the January 6th indictments actually had an affect on some of the smarter Trumpers who don't want to get caught up in another coup attempt.
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