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Cojawfee posted:Apparently you legally can not leave that seat. I was in front of the pilots, I was not allowed to move about the cabin. I was very happy with the arrangement. A+, would do that again. That picture was from Fifi, and I would like to take the same shot from Doc. Gotta save up for that, though.
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https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-new-version-release-date-1850528733quote:The next version of the flight simulator will introduce more complicated aerial missions, including fighting fires with a water bomber, performing delicate search and rescues with helicopters and air ambulance planes, crop dusting, and even performing heavy lift and construction tasks using a Sikorsky S-64 Skycrane. hell yeah
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Spaced God posted:Literally every device everyone here is thinking of is undone by "you have eight seconds to do something before you die and some people will feel so loving awesome in those eight seconds they want to do nothing" Those 8 seconds were done on USAF pilots. So 22-25 yo fit and healthy dudes. If you’re 60, obese, asthmatic, etc. you might be out like a light in 1-2 seconds.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:Those 8 seconds were done on USAF pilots. So 22-25 yo fit and healthy dudes. If you’re 60, obese, asthmatic, etc. you might be out like a light in 1-2 seconds. Mmmm, really? I don't really think this is fitness related.
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seems like there are at least a few examples of pilots dealing with decompression successfully despite several minutes without o2, so it seems like there’s more going on than “you die after a couple seconds”
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It might be like HAPE and HACE where it doesn't matter how fit you are, it can affect or not affect anyone regardless of experience or physical fitness.
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bull3964 posted:All this poo poo is some designers way of getting their name up on a bunch of news articles. High school student designers.
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the milk machine posted:seems like there are at least a few examples of pilots dealing with decompression successfully despite several minutes without o2, so it seems like there’s more going on than “you die after a couple seconds” you lose consciousness, not die. dying takes around 5 to 10 minutes of no bloodflow to the brain at normal body temp
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`Nemesis posted:https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-new-version-release-date-1850528733 Oh good, SimCopter is finally getting a remake
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Oh good, SimCopter is finally getting a remake Think they'll re-add the Friday the 13th Easter Egg?
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mobby_6kl posted:Sound That settles it, time to rewatch Airplane again.
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the milk machine posted:seems like there are at least a few examples of pilots dealing with decompression successfully despite several minutes without o2, so it seems like there’s more going on than “you die after a couple seconds” Can you give some examples of what you mean? As people have mentioned in this thread, O2 loss is very different from too much CO2 in the blood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-bdJF6TUFs This story is amazing; at one point the Soviets dispatched interceptors to shoot the bomber down, and they failed to intercept because in the mirror flight plan the Tu-22 was flying, it was time to engage the ECM.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Can you give some examples of what you mean? yes, when you lose cabin pressure you lose o2. there was a video posted earlier of a pilot talking with ATC that was able to recover and land, and there are several examples of flights where the pilots spent several minutes or more without supplemental o2 and not only did they not pass out, they landed the plane. for example, sichuan 8633: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_Airlines_Flight_8633 since the original conversation went something like "you don't need an o2/cabin pressure warning because you pass out in a few seconds" it doesn't really seem like hypoxia or low o2 levels are quite that simple (nevermind that that ignores an o2 situation that happens gradually) the milk machine fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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the milk machine posted:for example, sichuan 8633: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_Airlines_Flight_8633 are you familiar with the concept of ram pressure
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i am. are you suggesting the pilots had enough oxygen because they were flying fast enough they achieved a low-enough cabin altitude due to the air blowing into the windshield? that seems very unlikely but it's not a factor i've heard suggested before e: looks like dynamic pressure at 500 kt and 30k ft is a little over 2psi? so maybe a tenth of an atmosphere the milk machine fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Also altitude makes a huge difference. Above 40,000ft you do have basically no time before loss of consciousness. I believe one person in the cockpit must have an o2 mask on above 41,000ft? That’s separate from the oft mocked rule about donning a mask when you’re the only pilot on flight deck above like 25,000ft. Or whatever the numbers are.
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the milk machine posted:there are several examples of flights where the pilots spent several minutes or more without supplemental o2 and not only did they not pass out, they landed the plane. for example, sichuan 8633: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_Airlines_Flight_8633 This doesn't say anything about whether the pilots put on their oxygen masks when the window blew out. I have to assume they did, because it doesn't say anything about the masks being disabled or unusable, and these aren't special superhero pilots who defied the ideal gas law and human biology because they tried really hard.
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Sagebrush posted:This doesn't say anything about whether the pilots put on their oxygen masks when the window blew out. I have to assume they did, because at 30,000 feet you have seconds of consciousness, and no these aren't special superhero pilots who defied the rules of human biology because they tried really hard. this has a little more info: https://samchui.com/2023/05/25/miracle-of-sichuan-airlines-flight-8633-first-officer-sucked-out-of-the-cockpit/ the co-pilot who was halfway out the cockpit was jammed against the side stick, so the pilot couldn't let go of his side stick to get his mask. he was maskless through the whole thing
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the milk machine posted:i am. are you suggesting the pilots had enough oxygen because they were flying fast enough they achieved a low-enough cabin altitude due to the air blowing into the windshield? that seems very unlikely but it's not a factor i've heard suggested before wouldn't this be 2psi across the whole non-pilot area of the window, and wouldn't the important part be the mass of gas being forced into the cabin?
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2psi is 2psi, it’s pretty hard to go fast enough that air can’t get out of its own way until you get towards Mach 1, and the air density at 30k ft is obviously low it doesn’t seem like you could get significant cabin pressure into a windshield-less plane by flying fast but I’m honestly guessing here though it would be funny if the “windshield blew out” checklist says to go full throttle into the wind
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OMGVBFLOL posted:wouldn't this be 2psi across the whole non-pilot area of the window, and wouldn't the important part be the mass of gas being forced into the cabin? Which means the gap is relatively small so maybe the pressurization system could probably still knock a few thousand feet off the cabin altitude?
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I'm imagining like a bounce house where it doesn't take a super powerful fan to inflate something that can support hundreds of pounds of weight. I imagine a plane a speed can generate more airflow than a 12 amp blower, even with the altitude difference.
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the milk machine posted:this has a little more info: https://samchui.com/2023/05/25/miracle-of-sichuan-airlines-flight-8633-first-officer-sucked-out-of-the-cockpit/  Last week my girlfriend's flight landed, and after all the passengers had de-assed the captain tells the flight crew "go look the window in the cockpit."  He said it happened about an hour before landing, so not a birdstrike. I also kinda figure that's the kind of thing that you might warn the attendants about when it happens, but apparently not.
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Anyone have 2.5 hours to kill? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqDj7o19CWw&t=13s
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Sagebrush posted:i find it difficult to believe that one person moving around could have a significant effect on the CG of a B-29 Superfortress, but maybe i suppose According to my grandfather, the gear-up landing procedure for the B-24 had as many crew members as possible assemble as far back as possible to shift the CG aft. After touchdown, those crew members were supposed to then move as far forward as possible as quickly as possible. He said they all read that and looked at the narrow bomb bay catwalk and said, OK, I guess if it comes to that we'll all just die.
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Scam Likely posted:Anyone have 2.5 hours to kill? I've read far too many lovely Dale Brown books to pass this up
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Sagebrush posted:i find it difficult to believe that one person moving around could have a significant effect on the CG of a B-29 Superfortress, but maybe i suppose I weighed as much as at least two crewmembers in their gear. And there were already two people back there.
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ImplicitAssembler posted:And yeah, this was the 2nd time the lady tried to touch and I would have landed and made her walk home. (And allegedly she tried to touch it a 3rd time). Saw a video of the whole thing and the above wasn't true. Now, why the pilot is checking the rotor brake *after* take-off is a mystery to me. Still isn't an invitation for pax to grab it, though. (And I'm glad I've managed to skip the whole tour thing).
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Nebakenezzer posted:This story is amazing; at one point the Soviets dispatched interceptors to shoot the bomber down, and they failed to intercept because in the mirror flight plan the Tu-22 was flying, it was time to engage the ECM. The whole story is just one wild coincidence after another. It can't be fiction, because fiction has to be more plausible than this event was. Pro as gently caress click.
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A Mooney M20R crashed locally today, pilot didn't survive. NTSB is investigating. Witness reports make me think it impacted as quite an angle https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2023/06/14/a-small-plane-crashes-in-watertown-wi-police-are-on-scene/70322275007/
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Saw a video of the whole thing and the above wasn't true. Now, why the pilot is checking the rotor brake *after* take-off is a mystery to me. I'm guessing an ongoing sort of a tick, kind of like how I'm always pushing my glasses up on my nose even if they're all the way up already, or clicking the button and pushing down on my parking brake handle in my car... which is almost literally the same as this helicopter thing. (I developed this when I got my current car where in the full down position, the handle is angled up 20 degrees which bothers me because I don't have the default assurance that it's full down by being horizontal like my last car). e: Also, PYF stupid ticks. Clicking the autopilot disconnect button a shitload of times really fast, anyone? Gotta make sure it's really really off!
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mllaneza posted:The whole story is just one wild coincidence after another. It can't be fiction, because fiction has to be more plausible than this event was. Pro as gently caress click. I'm already binging this guy's videos.
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mllaneza posted:The whole story is just one wild coincidence after another. It can't be fiction, because fiction has to be more plausible than this event was. Pro as gently caress click. Back in flight school I had an instructor tell the story of a fighter pilot who got lost and ended up flying west instead of east for a while because the setting sun directly in front of him was obscuring his compass. The moral being, don't just rely on your instruments, use some basic common sense and fundamental geophysical principles to back yourself up. So it was very satisfying to get to the point in that video when the pilot sees the sun rising in the wrong direction and goes "oh... FUUUUUUUUU" EasilyConfused posted:I'm already binging this guy's videos. Yeah, it's a great channel.
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The only legitimate time to meow on frequency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMyccJ7pueg
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Literally the first air‐to‐ground radio transmission in the history of aviation involved an unruly cat. This is the cat in question, Kiddo.  It didn’t like the engines on this thing. http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/kiddo.html
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`Nemesis posted:A Mooney M20R crashed locally today, pilot didn't survive. NTSB is investigating. rip to the Dr.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Back in flight school I had an instructor tell the story of a fighter pilot who got lost and ended up flying west instead of east for a while because the setting sun directly in front of him was obscuring his compass. The moral being, don't just rely on your instruments, use some basic common sense and fundamental geophysical principles to back yourself up. That's a great lesson, that instructor is both saving and improving lives. e. This is probably the second video everyone should watch off of that channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU1f47SC_A8
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Zero One posted:The only legitimate time to meow on frequency. A coworker came across a cat running free on the ramp at a large airport we worked at. He met me at another plane and it took me a bit to understand that he was saying "I found a cat and it's in the van". We then found a 747 getting loaded up nearby for an international flight and a lot of workers standing around an empty cat-sized kennel in the baggage cart. We were all real glad that worked out the way it did.
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