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For the love of god. I know that its because they're chasing revenue, but I'm so goddamn tired of companies with communications-style products trying to pivot into some sort of overriding social network. There's nothing wrong with Discord being a bunch of chat rooms, I don't need it to be a social network.+
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I still marvel that Tumblr is the only good social media site left, unless you count SA which I don't. I guess all it takes is losing a billion dollars overnight. It's probably only safe from VC's greasy mitts for, like, 3 years, though.
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Boris Galerkin posted:That's weird because my Discord is just a bunch of chat rooms. There's no Facebook/Twitter like functionality I see anywhere. I guess they are A/B testing and I'm not in the cohort getting these weird features. There's no Facebook/Twitter-like functionality (people are being hyperbolic because they're mad about Discord), but they're trying to make Discord a social ecosystem in itself rather than just a place where you hang out with friends. You've probably seen some of it yourself and just ignored it because absolutely no one gives a poo poo. They're heavily pushing people to convert their servers to "community servers", which have a bunch of extra analytics and monetization features, use AI to scan for and remove anything that might be porn, and are visible in Discord's Discover directory that nobody ever clicks. For example, they're removing the ability for non-community servers to create invite links that never expire, so if you want to just have a server that anyone can join whenever, you have to either remake the invite every 30 days or convert to a community servers.
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https://venturebeat.com/ai/the-ai-feedback-loop-researchers-warn-of-model-collapse-as-ai-trains-on-ai-generated-content/ Known about this for a while, the fact that this poo poo is garbage keeps on filtering into the mainstream suggests a top for this bubble may not be far off.
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ryde posted:For the love of god. I know that its because they're chasing revenue, but I'm so goddamn tired of companies with communications-style products trying to pivot into some sort of overriding social network. There's nothing wrong with Discord being a bunch of chat rooms, I don't need it to be a social network.+ Is Discord profitable though? I thought a big part of these idiotic changes was that it was still surviving off of investor money (like Uber). Though I guess if they are profitable then you'd still have a bunch of capitalist dipshits going "BUT WE NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY ALL THE MONEY" and push this garbage.
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That sort of thing is difficult to judge. If they focused on their core business and got rid of the various extraneous departments they're pouring money into, I'm sure they'd be fine for profitability. The amount of money they pour into all the stuff that doesn't matter is likely taking up most of that VC money. The amount of money they'd need to operate a Web 2.0 MIRC clone is significantly smaller.
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feedmyleg posted:If they focused on their core business and got rid of the various extraneous departments they're pouring money into, I'm sure they'd be fine for profitability. The amount of money they pour into all the stuff that doesn't matter is likely taking up most of that VC money. Stripped away some bits to make it applicable to all companies under the current flavor of capitalism.
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StratGoatCom posted:https://venturebeat.com/ai/the-ai-feedback-loop-researchers-warn-of-model-collapse-as-ai-trains-on-ai-generated-content/ I just sat through a town hall at my very large company where they demoed Github Copilot and Office Copilot. People literally clapped when they saw this Outlook demo summarize a thread and generate a reply based on data from a separate Word document. There is a lot of hype around AI, but it's not going to fade away like Crypto.
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:I just sat through a town hall at my very large company where they demoed Github Copilot and Office Copilot. People literally clapped when they saw this Outlook demo summarize a thread and generate a reply based on data from a separate Word document. They clapped because it shows that upper-middle managers are practically illiterate and can be replaced by a sophisticated magic eight ball, right? Or because they're looking forward to the flood of emails read and written exclusively by software, absolving them of responsibility for any decisions they make?
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:I just sat through a town hall at my very large company where they demoed Github Copilot and Office Copilot. People literally clapped when they saw this Outlook demo summarize a thread and generate a reply based on data from a separate Word document. Generative AI runs on asstonnes of investor money and is surprisingly useless for any serious task. I think the pivot will be to 'spatial computing' if the valley doesn't calm down before then.
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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/chatgpt-takes-the-pulpit-ai-leads-experimental-church-service-in-germany/quote:On Friday, over 300 people attended an experimental ChatGPT-powered church service at St. Paul’s church in the Bavarian town of Fürth, Germany, reports the Associated Press. The 40-minute sermon included text generated by OpenAI's ChatGPT chatbot and delivered by avatars on a television screen above the altar.
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Didn't discord try adding NFT stuff?
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duz posted:https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/chatgpt-takes-the-pulpit-ai-leads-experimental-church-service-in-germany/ Wow this is wonderfully absurd.
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Microsoft tried to buy discord in 2021 for $10billion - three billion more than their most recent valuation. And the idiots said no.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Is Discord profitable though? I thought a big part of these idiotic changes was that it was still surviving off of investor money (like Uber). Though I guess if they are profitable then you'd still have a bunch of capitalist dipshits going "BUT WE NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY ALL THE MONEY" and push this garbage. We don't actually know if they're profitable or not; they don't release that info. We know their revenue, but not their expenses. Realistically speaking, though, there's no way in hell that Nitro subs alone can pay for the level of service they offer, particularly in regards to media and streaming. They run huge amounts of image and video data through their servers. Discord rose to the top because it was easy, cheap, convenient to use, and had an expansive free tier and very unobtrusive monetization - and that almost certainly means it's subsidized by VC.
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feedmyleg posted:I still marvel that Tumblr is the only good social media site left, unless you count SA which I don't. I guess all it takes is losing a billion dollars overnight. It's probably only safe from VC's greasy mitts for, like, 3 years, though. You gotta hand it to Lowtax; he figured out both how to prevent bots and make money at the same time: by paywalling accounts. Tumblr could make a comeback if they ever get a ceo who isn't a loving idiot.
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Mister Facetious posted:You gotta hand it to Lowtax; he figured out both how to prevent bots and make money at the same time: by paywalling accounts. Or just by being one of the last men standing.
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blunt posted:Microsoft tried to buy discord in 2021 for $10billion - three billion more than their most recent valuation. On the other hand, to me discord's entire appeal was "hey, look, a good alternative now that microsoft hosed skype," so maybe they feared something similar. 
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Not sure why MS needs to buy discord when they basically have a discord of their own in teams. Here you go MS, "Teams Gaming" you can have that branding for free. All I really need from discord that teams doesn't have is the ability to see when your mic is catching stuff, which tbh it's completely loving absurd that teams lacks this feature.
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Professor Beetus posted:Not sure why MS needs to buy discord when they basically have a discord of their own in teams. Here you go MS, "Teams Gaming" you can have that branding for free. All I really need from discord that teams doesn't have is the ability to see when your mic is catching stuff, which tbh it's completely loving absurd that teams lacks this feature. I'm assuming they wanted to build a cross platform comms network for XBox, where nobody is gonna use Teams and discord already have a huge XBox userbase
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Professor Beetus posted:Not sure why MS needs to buy discord when they basically have a discord of their own in teams. Here you go MS, "Teams Gaming" you can have that branding for free. All I really need from discord that teams doesn't have is the ability to see when your mic is catching stuff, which tbh it's completely loving absurd that teams lacks this feature. "Xbox(R.) Teams(tm.), ONLY on Windows and Xbox!"
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Okay that actually makes sense, because right now that exists and is called "discord," it just happens to be a 3rd party.
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The thing is, Xbox party chat already has crossplay with the console, pc, and the mobile apps. And the sound codec is better.
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I assume on PC that uses the stupid xbox app that barely ever works right. Interestingly, I once ran into a really weird issue where no-one on Destiny 2 (Steam PC) could here me in the in game voice (I could hear others.) - turns out in the xbox game bar thing my audio device had gotten changed to my VR headset (which wasn't even plugged in) - so I'm guessing Destiny 2 must be making use of xbox party chat or something for it's in-game voice? Or I have no idea what's happening there since it needs to also be cross-platform with playstation.
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The Xbox app and steam have a number of different annoying conflicts. I have to close steam anytime I want to play a game with a controller via the Xbox app because of some hosed up thing steam does with controller profiles. And yeah, the Xbox party chat thing is cross platform in theory but the Xbox app really isn't there yet and often requires more troubleshooting than it's worth. Which is why we pretty much always use discord.
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I always thought that Discord should have just pivoted to enterprise services. There’s no reason why they can’t be a Slack. The revenues are much more stable. Less reliance on nazis and facists, too.
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discord sucks because its a dark net and a ton of info is going to blink out of existence if the whole service dies or various "official" servers for THING slow down, shrink and shutdown.
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Vegetable posted:I always thought that Discord should have just pivoted to enterprise services. There’s no reason why they can’t be a Slack. The revenues are much more stable. Less reliance on nazis and facists, too. strong agree on this. I knew a few labs who adopted it instead of/after slack despite the gamer aura, it would not have taken much to eat the entire customer base given how bad slack is.
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blunt posted:Microsoft tried to buy discord in 2021 for $10billion - three billion more than their most recent valuation. We could have MS Teams(tm) for Gamers Lol imagine discord with that dogshit gif search of msteams
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laserghost posted:We could have MS Teams(tm) for Gamers God it really sucks doesn't it? "Here's the same gifs but instead of looping 2-3 seconds it's going to loop for about .2 seconds and look extremely stupid"
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laserghost posted:The quality of their app deteriorates quickly, too. I had to uninstall it from my phone because opening the message from notifications made all the channels and contacts display only the said message, requiring to force close the app and reopen As soon as they switched the Android app over to React Native it's become a pile of poo poo. I have to force close it ever ytime I want to use it.
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Main Paineframe posted:We don't actually know if they're profitable or not; they don't release that info. We know their revenue, but not their expenses. I feel like almost none of these services are profitable, if any. They're all funded by VCs hoping they will become the next Facebook, except not even Facebook can become the next Facebook because the way they made their money in the first place is now illegal in many countries. At some point this bubble may pop. Edit: Like it's literally a "Get many users > ??? > profit" meme. In that sense, their "customers" who they need to appeal to are the VCs. Clarste fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jun 13, 2023 |
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Mister Facetious posted:Tumblr could make a comeback if they ever get a ceo who isn't a loving idiot. They got one, it's owned by the company that owns Wordpress. They are working on turning it around. One of the new features is you can pay to turn a post into an ad that 2500 people will see for $10. It doesn't even have to be your post. You can also infest someone's dashboard with crabs for 24 hours for only $3 as well. More importantly they have a filtering system in place so you can post porn again and the app stores won't ban their app for it.
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Yeah Tumblr is basically taking its cues from the forums and monetizing things people actually want, like minor promotion of posts and cosmetic stuff. Discord just has nitro, and they should really break it out into different tiers so people only pay for what features they want. If I wasn't boosting a server right now I'd drop my nitro to basic, I'm that disinterested in themes and activities and other BS.
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Reddit has found a solution to mods taking popular subreddits private. Solution: Fire the mods and get new ones! https://twitter.com/davidgerard/status/1668708305517068288
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Discord started off as a replacement for TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, et al. for live voice chat in cooperative PC games like WoW. It wasn't until later that people started using it like a "portal" for information, which is really lovely as someone else above said because that poo poo isn't indexed by google and searchable on the web.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Reddit has found a solution to mods taking popular subreddits private. Solution: Fire the mods and get new ones! I think everyone understood that reddit could (and most likely would) replace the mods participating in the blackout with loyal reddit users or actual employees. It's pretty loving low to nuke their accounts entirely but in a way that's prolly a good thing as it's less content on reddit. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:I think everyone understood that reddit could (and most likely would) replace the mods participating in the blackout with loyal reddit users or actual employees. Good luck finding enough volunteers to restaff (say) r/AmITheAsshole . They can't find enough mods as it is.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Reddit has found a solution to mods taking popular subreddits private. Solution: Fire the mods and get new ones! Scratch a libertarian and a fascist bleeds. It was always in service to their profits to ensure free speech, after all every speaker and listener was another ad view. Now, it has outlived its usefulness.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Reddit has found a solution to mods taking popular subreddits private. Solution: Fire the mods and get new ones! If this is truly Reddit’s response, I think we’d probably be seeing more than one mastodon post talking about one mod of r/tumblr. Baronash fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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