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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also never forget that the transphobic push is very clearly a wedge to re-impose legally enforced gender conformity and roll back existing rights. It's no coincidence it ramped up after Roe vs Wade was struck down. The fascists are winning, and they know it. Hell, sumptuary laws have already made a comeback. Florida legally compels people to wear the 'correct' culturally-mandated clothing for their gender-role.
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Sorry I caused a bit of a blowup but otoh Jaxyon posted:Looks like an admin weighed in sure does. Ticket resolved as far as this thread and I are concerned atm. e: Hopefully we'll have a feedback thread shortly but in the meantime anyone who wants to talk about it outside of SAD can pester a mod or admin of your choice. If i'm not your preference i But this isn't the thread for more of that unless something else happens (please don't). Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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Google Jeb Bush posted:Sorry I caused a bit of a blowup but otoh Oh, there will actually be a permanent feedback thread? Because this will always recur in threads if not.
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Autisanal Cheese posted:Oh, there will actually be a permanent feedback thread? Because this will always recur in threads if not. your guess is almost as good as mine, but we're gonna have another once-a-year quarterly one inshallah
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Google Jeb Bush posted:your guess is almost as good as mine, but we're gonna have another once-a-year quarterly one inshallah None of the issues of the last feedback thread were addressed. The only difference since is you’re moderating even less and the forum is even more dominated by trolls and circular arguments. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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fizzy posted:It's not a lie, though. Koos Group confirmed, as recently as 1 June 2023, that "It's D&D policy not to moderate positions, even ones that are disgusting and vile". How do you square that with that guy getting permabanned for his position?
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aventari posted:How do you square that with that guy getting permabanned for his position? That the admin who permabanned that guy was right, and that Koos' policy is wrong.
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Like the rules are just kinda parody level portrayals of complaints about US politics as literally going calmhitler.jpg is entirely allowed and has been actively encouraged.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Like the rules are just kinda parody level portrayals of complaints about US politics as literally going calmhitler.jpg is entirely allowed and has been actively encouraged. Maybe I’m mis-remembering, but wasn’t the “positions aren’t moderated” rule started [with Koos being head mod] after a number of posters complained about being unfairly targeted with probations for saying bad things about liberal politicians? Or for being against some policies that were pushed by liberal politicians? Or at least I thought that seemed to be primary reason for the rule change
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Didn't do the right thing? Mods can't even execute regular bans by themselves, much less permas, what the hell is this poo poo? They can authorize probes up to 24 hours by themselves and queue bans and permas, Baronash merely gave it a sixer. At least this time they didn’t try to hide how odious the post was with the I.2.3.d nonsense.
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I hope I'm not sounding insensitive or anything, but I genuinely don't know and want to know more: what's the difference between gay and queer? I always thought they were synonyms, but from reading around the room they seem to have different meanings but I'm unsure what the difference is.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I hope I'm not sounding insensitive or anything, but I genuinely don't know and want to know more: what's the difference between gay and queer? I always thought they were synonyms, but from reading around the room they seem to have different meanings but I'm unsure what the difference is. In most cases "queer" would be a broader label. Gay has, for most people, come to mean men or women who exclusively seek same sex partners. Somebody describing as queer might also pursue relationships with non-binary people or folks that project a different gender identity.
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FCKGW posted:The best part about this photo is when you realize there’s a stack of boxes in the bathtub just barely peeking out above the top right of the shower curtain
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Boris Galerkin posted:I hope I'm not sounding insensitive or anything, but I genuinely don't know and want to know more: what's the difference between gay and queer? I always thought they were synonyms, but from reading around the room they seem to have different meanings but I'm unsure what the difference is. In its most common usage these days, queer is a broader term referring to folks with non-standard gender identity or sexual orientation. So, like, anyone in the LGBTQ acronym would generally be considered queer. However, its meaning is not as settled as gay, so some people under the umbrella might not self-identifies as queer or agree with the definition.
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Jun 14, 2023 13:15
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Skippy McPants posted:In its most common usage these days, queer is a broader term referring to folks with non-standard gender identity or sexual orientation. So, like, anyone in the LGBTQ acronym would generally be considered queer. However, its meaning is not as settled as gay, so some people under the umbrella might not self-identifies as queer or agree with the definition. It's also just a fun word.
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Queer's also something of a reclaimed slur, much like the gay and lesbian communities reclaimed human being and dyke.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:There does seem to be a growing movement for us queers to adopt it as an an umbrella term, which I fully support. I think it sounds cool too, but in addition to the reclaimed slur part, which puts some people off, I've also known trans folks who prefer not to be referred to as queer.
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Liquid Communism posted:Queer's also something of a reclaimed slur, much like the gay and lesbian communities reclaimed human being and dyke. Skippy McPants posted:I think it sounds cool too, but in addition to the reclaimed slur part, which puts some people off, I've also known trans folks who prefer not to be referred to as queer.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I won't ever tell anyone what words they should use (not only because it's not my place, but also because I abhor being a perscriptivist when it comes to linguistics), I was just pointing out that the movement seems to be growing. And I agree, it would also be nice if the ever-expanding acronym could be laid to rest.
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Is it more of a Gen Z thing to just say ‘queer’ in place of the other identifications?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Also never forget that the transphobic push is very clearly a wedge to re-impose legally enforced gender conformity and roll back existing rights. It's no coincidence it ramped up after Roe vs Wade was struck down. The fascists are winning, and they know it. Christian "traditional family/values" hate groups have been caught saying the goal is to break up the LGBTQ alliance. Their plan is to divide and conquer by focusing on the most vulnerable part, and they've since executed on that plan. It is not very far fetched to say that the strategy will not be confined to anti-trans laws. I strongly suspect that they hope to repeat the process and eventually spark a fight between lesbian and gay interests with the goal of rolling back protections for same sex marriage. Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Is it more of a Gen Z thing to just say ‘queer’ in place of the other identifications? I'm an old-as-gently caress millennial and hear plenty of people in my generation use queer. Keep in mind it's used as a generalized term. So people will still usually say gay, bi, trans, etc. when speaking specifically, but if they want something broader, then queer rolls off the tongue a lot better than "ell-bee-gee-tee-que-plus" in casual conversation.
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Skippy McPants posted:I'm an old-as-gently caress millennial and hear plenty of people in my generation use queer. Keep in mind it's used as a generalized term. So people will still usually say gay, bi, trans, etc. when speaking specifically, but if they want something broader, then queer rolls off the tongue a lot better than "ell-bee-gee-tee-que-plus" in casual conversation.
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Skippy McPants posted:In its most common usage these days, queer is a broader term referring to folks with non-standard gender identity or sexual orientation. So, like, anyone in the LGBTQ acronym would generally be considered queer. However, its meaning is not as settled as gay, so some people under the umbrella might not self-identifies as queer or agree with the definition. There's a lot of debate and infighting on whether Aces "count" as queer, though. Part of the wider non-acceptance of aces in general.
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There's a huge (like, massive) LGBTQ presence on Mastodon and I've been seeing "queer" thrown around as a shorthand there for years. I don't think it's really generational, but maybe just more or less common depending on how much you directly interact with bigger LGBTQ communities.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Is it more of a Gen Z thing to just say ‘queer’ in place of the other identifications? Skippy McPants posted:I'm an old-as-gently caress millennial and hear plenty of people in my generation use queer. Keep in mind it's used as a generalized term. So people will still usually say gay, bi, trans, etc. when speaking specifically, but if they want something broader, then queer rolls off the tongue a lot better than "ell-bee-gee-tee-que-plus" in casual conversation.
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EDIT: Whoops, double post. Apologies.Darko posted:There's a lot of debate and infighting on whether Aces "count" as queer, though. Part of the wider non-acceptance of aces in general. I fear it's a bit of FYGM attitude from a certain age-group of gays and lesbians, similar to how bisexuals and pansexuals are often conveniently forgotten unless we go out of our way to do queer representation - which, in so far as I'm concerned, is as much tied to the obsession with monogamy that permeates a lot of Western culture as anything else. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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shoeberto posted:There's a huge (like, massive) LGBTQ presence on Mastodon and I've been seeing "queer" thrown around as a shorthand there for years. I don't think it's really generational, but maybe just more or less common depending on how much you directly interact with bigger LGBTQ communities. In my experience, the people I have met who have trouble with/still see queer as a slur are older, 60+ now. I don't think they have a big presence online compared to younger generations. I suspect that's why you see growing acceptance of reclaiming the slur. When I was growing up, the slur of choice started with an f, and I would have a hard time with reclaiming it to the point where people outside the community can use it. Queer is reclaimed to the point that I heard an NPR newsreader say "queer" the other day. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:EDIT: Whoops, double post. Apologies. There are a few things going on. The lack of being included in the queer grouping is often from LGBT people that have an issue with Asexual people not having to deal with their specific brand of oppression since their (gradient of lack of) sexuality is invisible and thus not attacked on sight (unlike gay pairings and being trans), while ignoring that in a lot of ways, Asexuals have to deal with the worst of (worldwide) society being so sex and pairing obsessed in general while having even larger problems having any kind of stable relationships. Especially Asexual women in countries where marriage is near necessary for survival.
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Darko posted:There are a few things going on. The lack of being included in the queer grouping is often from LGBT people that have an issue with Asexual people not having to deal with their specific brand of oppression since their (gradient of lack of) sexuality is invisible and thus not attacked on sight (unlike gay pairings and being trans), while ignoring that in a lot of ways, Asexuals have to deal with the worst of (worldwide) society being so sex and pairing obsessed in general while having even larger problems having any kind of stable relationships. Especially Asexual women in countries where marriage is near necessary for survival.
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I wish I was more fluent in queer history, but: Queer has been used as an idenitity itself or as umbrella term, off and on, since the 1980s if not earlier. I good slogan that I think popped up around that time was "Not gay as in happy, but queer as in gently caress you." Queer was unpopular as an umbrella term because "queer" was one of the more common slurs... but when I was a teen ( Millenial ) *gay* was the most common slur, so the embrace of a slur like *queer* that no one called me wasn't that difficult. And probably why Gen Z embraced it as well - no one was calling them loving queers. EDIT: Yeah, the assholes who say aces and aros aren't really "queer" keep hammering on the fact that asexuals and aromantics don't face discrimination like other queer groups do. It's never been *illegal* you be ace or aro it still absoutely sucks because the broader culture heavily promotes romantic love and sex as ultimate ideals, so if you don't want one of those or both you're treated as a broken freak. Twincityhacker fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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anecdote, but my brother and his husband hate being called queer and prefer gay, both are in the millennial age group
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World Famous W posted:anecdote, but my brother and his husband hate being called queer and prefer gay, both are in the millennial age group this matches some anecdotal evidence of my own that seems to indicate that "millennial and older" cis gay men are the most resistant to the term queer as an identifier
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Queer sounds otherizing and dehumanizing (and historically, it was) so I couldn't imagine seriously referring to anybody as queer, and because of that I can't help but feel a little uncomfortable when people refer to themselves as queer since it sounds like they are dehumanizing and othering themselves.
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i don't know if it's still in schoolyard or whatnot since im pushing forty, but i remember in my childhood a "game" called 'smear the *****' (it very much a slur in this case) which was just an excuse to kick the poo poo out of anyone suspected. my brother grew up in that same environment so it probably has something to do with it for him
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OctaMurk posted:Queer sounds otherizing and dehumanizing (and historically, it was) so I couldn't imagine seriously referring to anybody as queer, and because of that I can't help but feel a little uncomfortable when people refer to themselves as queer since it sounds like they are dehumanizing and othering themselves. I get that - I have the same reflex reaction to someone going by the "it" pronoun. But it's a thing that is happening, and is getting more common. It doesn't help that the current acroym is LGBTQAI+ ( or LGBTAI2S+ for our Canadian friends as they include "two spirit" ).
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I've occasionally seen Gender and Sexual Minority (GSM) advocated online in lieu of LGBTQIA+ as a broader umbrella term which covers the whole spectrum. Is there any negative connotation to it? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_minority
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World Famous W posted:anecdote, but my brother and his husband hate being called queer and prefer gay, both are in the millennial age group It’s a very individual thing. My sister prefers to be called gay and dislikes the term lesbian for some reason. She won’t get mad if someone calls her lesbian but she’s never called herself that.
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Discendo Vox posted:None of the issues of the last feedback thread were addressed. The only difference since is you’re moderating even less and the forum is even more dominated by trolls and circular arguments. Shut the gently caress up (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I’m in my late 30s and never heard queer used as a slur. Elementary school hegemony was to call uncool or stodgy things “gay,” ie “this sweatshirt my mom got me is so gay.” I’m sure there was incredible homophobia among boys for failures to live up to accepted standards of masculinity, but I never remember “gay” being used as an insult against a person in a hateful way either, just behavior being called gay (usually politeness or washing your hands or something).
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