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BobHoward posted:These numbers are frankly unbelievable to me. They claim Mac desktop sales for an entire quarter broke down like this:
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TACD posted:I could maybe believe it if the comparison was dollar values rather than number of machines the thought crossed my mind tho christ that’s still a lot
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Chemmy posted:I retired my 2013 MBP for an M2 air when they came out. I just got a 16 M1 Pro and asked my wife (who uses my old 2013) if she wanted my 13 m1 and she said na because she a. Doesn’t use the laptop much and b. The 2013 is still working good so just sell the m1 or whatever. I use the 2013 every so often when she needs help with something and it really is a decent little tank.
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Jun 14, 2023 13:05
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See if she’ll use the m1 for a day or two. Yeah the 2013 still works but come on. There is no way after using an almost decade newer machine she’ll be nah I’m good.
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Jun 14, 2023 15:54
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jabro posted:See if she’ll use the m1 for a day or two. Yeah the 2013 still works but come on. There is no way after using an almost decade newer machine she’ll be nah I’m good. That's what I said! We will see though I'm not going to rush out and sell it. That said the 16 MBP is a fuckin nice machine! This screen is fantastic.
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Jun 14, 2023 15:58
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I'm still running an OG 2013 13-inch rMBP with 8 GB RAM and an Inland 512 GB SSD shoehorned in, it's running OCLP/Ventura at a good clip and works great as email / light web / TV machine. It runs live TV better than a Big Sur 2014, which just points up that I should upgrade that too..
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Jun 14, 2023 16:21
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Yeah I’m pushing my mom to upgrade from her like 2012 unibody macbook solely because she does her banking on there. Otherwise it’s slow but it works for her
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Jun 14, 2023 16:31
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TACD posted:I could maybe believe it if the comparison was dollar values rather than number of machines it has to be something even stupider like respondents confusing MacBook Pro and Mac Pro, because it's clearly insanely wrong. would explain why desktop vs laptop share seems high also
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Jun 14, 2023 18:29
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I really want to get a Studio but now that I'm in Developer Relations instead of actual Software Development I remember that it's complete overkill and I can do almost all my daily work on an M1 Mini with 16GB of RAM, and when I can't I still have my 14" M1 Pro with 32GB. And my inability to justify it to myself makes me a little disappointed in myself. I'm usually better at justifying unnecessary toys to myself.
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Jun 14, 2023 18:45
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Reminded me of this, from waaay back (2017) at this point: https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives Particularly: "Overall, the split between notebooks and desktops in Mac sales is roughly 80/20." And that was pre ARM switch by a few years (in the butterfly era even), so the notebooks have gotten massively better since then. I'd be surprised if the ratio is anywhere near a 76/24 split these days. Since then desktop wise the Mac mini feels like it's gotten the most consistent attention starting with the major 2018 update out of nowhere. For the iMac, the iMac Pro came and went (granted it always seemed like a temporary Mac Pro stand in), and they consolidated the two sizes down to one, which still hasn't been updated to M2 (almost expect it to skip to M3 at this point). Mac Pro got that big update and big price bump, then nothing again until the update (and another big price bump) just now. Meanwhile the Mac Studio took over the old higher end Mac price/performance bracket that's been vacated for years. jawbroken posted:it has to be something even stupider like respondents confusing MacBook Pro and Mac Pro, because it's clearly insanely wrong. would explain why desktop vs laptop share seems high also
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Jun 14, 2023 19:12
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i mean i don’t disagree with a lot of this but i don’t think it’s entirely a survey thing since presumably they have channel sources (unlikely they have moles in apple though) - but i think a lot of people bought imacs when the new ones came out. they got a lot of attention. unrelated to this we bought my fil an imac for christmas, a blue one. it was my idea to replace the chrome box we got him years ago and which was a bit long in there tooth anyway we weren’t sure how he’d take it but man he loving loves the thing. and facetime is a big plus - easier for him both in terms of sending and also a big fat screen for him to look at. big win
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Jun 14, 2023 19:18
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I think it is complete bullshit and made up numbers.
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Riven posted:I really want to get a Studio but now that I'm in Developer Relations instead of actual Software Development I remember that it's complete overkill and I can do almost all my daily work on an M1 Mini with 16GB of RAM, and when I can't I still have my 14" M1 Pro with 32GB. And my inability to justify it to myself makes me a little disappointed in myself. I'm usually better at justifying unnecessary toys to myself. make work get it for you
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Hold up, if the M2 Ultra is significantly faster than the M1 Ultra, is that translating into a huge drop in secondary market price for the M1 Ultras? Especially if the M2 Max is almost on par with M1 Ultra that’s already an objective price cap. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 14, 2023 |
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for a refurb M1 MBP (16" M1 Max), is there any reason to pay another $160 for the 32c GPU over the 24c GPU? Obviously it's 8 better but like... not really gaming on a macbook much probably? And AI/ML stuff is probably done through the AI accelerator not the GPU shaders?
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Jun 14, 2023 22:12
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How long do you plan to hold on to it? I tend to hold on to my Macs for several years+, so when I had this same decision to make (except for the 14” M1 MBP at the time), I thought the small-ish adder to increase core count by 33% made sense for long-term ownership.
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Jun 14, 2023 22:34
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Paul MaudDib posted:for a refurb M1 MBP (16" M1 Max), is there any reason to pay another $160 for the 32c GPU over the 24c GPU? Obviously it's 8 better but like... not really gaming on a macbook much probably? And AI/ML stuff is probably done through the AI accelerator not the GPU shaders? It’ll increase resale value for sure, but there’s some kind of bottleneck in the M1 Max where 33% more GPU cores equate to a 10-15% performance bump for nearly any GPU-flogging task. It isn’t unimportant, but there’s a reason it only commanded a 10% price premium over the default model. And it’ll run at least a little hotter, cutting into battery life by some small but noticeable amount. It’s up to you - I’d skip it.
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Paul MaudDib posted:for a refurb M1 MBP (16" M1 Max), is there any reason to pay another $160 for the 32c GPU over the 24c GPU? Obviously it's 8 better but like... not really gaming on a macbook much probably? And AI/ML stuff is probably done through the AI accelerator not the GPU shaders? save your money, IMO if there was also a CPU bump and you were planning to hold onto the machine forever then I might say “go for it” for the extra grunt/arguable longevity down the road, but as it stands I don’t think you gain anything. You certainly won’t gain back the $160 in added resale value down the road, if that’s something you think you’d like to do.
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Hasturtium posted:It’ll increase resale value for sure, but there’s some kind of bottleneck in the M1 Max where 33% more GPU cores equate to a 10-15% performance bump for nearly any GPU-flogging task. It isn’t unimportant, but there’s a reason it only commanded a 10% price premium over the default model. And it’ll run at least a little hotter, cutting into battery life by some small but noticeable amount. It’s up to you - I’d skip it. I thought the bottleneck is for the Ultra, where the 20 cores can’t fully take advantage of the 48 (or 64) core GPU?
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can someone with a M1 Max MBP 16" go to the apple site and paste in their serial and let me know what the current trade-in is for a higher-end MBP? Those values listed are for the base spec, my MBA tradein quote is above the "up to" value. Looking at MBP 16", M1 Max 24C GPU, 64gb, 1TB, anything reasonably close is fine, I'm just curious how much a loaded laptop gets from Apple after a couple years (probably not great I'd assume).
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it slays me that in literally like 4 months M3 MBPs will be out, and it probably will be a decent bump finally with the move to 3nm. And it'll have HDMI 2.1 and some other neat stuff too. But I also don't think I want a $3500+ laptop in a decently loaded config, and I'd rather enjoy it this summer. storage upcharges are obscene. you can argue DRAM because it's a nonstandard thing and certainly expensive to implement. There’s no real comps for what a laptop with a 1024b APU with soldered, stacked memory should cost for another 32gb or whatever. it's pretty much the "haha what if you put some HBM2 on a big gaming APU for a big unified memory" approach that everyone always loved to spitball a couple years ago, it's a neat product. but $400/tb is completely absurd to get a usable amount of main storage. refurb discounted m1 max 16" with 64/1TB for $2550 or woot refurb pro 32/1TB for $1600 is objectively a good deal though, for a lot of laptop. I just am grumping because I 100% know stuff that should be decent options is coming this fall from both Apple and Framework, and I am planning to lock in for at least the 3 years of applecare. Happy to keep it longer but screen repair pricing is a major consideration that Applecare knocks down a ton, if an accident happens after that we'll go from there. (man I could see 2TB being a worthwhile upgrade even... $2834 for the MBP 16 / M1 Max 24c / 2TB/64TB config. Not even sure $300 more is worth it, 1tb is definitely plenty but poo poo adds up sometimes with docker layers, pipenv/virtualenv, npm, etc. It's just nice to have the space but it's insanely expensive.) Framework 16 is tempting too though. You can slap a big SSD and a bunch of memory in it cheap, and it's way more durable. And there's Strix Halo APU (256b memory and probably stacked cache) is coming before all that long (way higher power ofc). Always something better though, and the M3 could easily be disappointing or just way too expensive and Strix might not be all that great etc. And the repairability is way better on a framework, that's not the best aspect about apple laptops/phones. Just need to figure out if I'm gonna do an apple trade-in or just sell it, I have a trade-in kit on the way. Laptops are laptops, I worry about them maybe doing the "aha this one water sensor is a bit red here, see" routine but idk, never done a trade-in before. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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https://youtu.be/n8-wTpiuZwE
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Paul MaudDib posted:it slays me that in literally like 4 months M3 MBPs will be out,  That seems extremely optimistic, unless that's a typo and you meant 14 months.
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Lady Radia posted:make work get it for you I wish. Our standard dev machine is the 13 Pro, it is extremely dumb. I have one sitting on a shelf that I use to run videos at conference booths.
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Also I wouldn’t be so sure they put out a 16 right away.
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oh I thought the expectation was m3 pro mbp this year. welp yea m1 it is then
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ok but the most important question: yea it's super cool the vision pro can LIDAR and OFA analyze a frame to know what it's looking and and how to render something onto that and it feels super seamless etc but is there a no animations mode?
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They run on an 18 month cycle and the m2 pros came out earlier this year. You might get m3 mba this year but pros will probably be announced at wwdc next year and shipping a month or so later.
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Vision Pro better be able to render naked ladies in my room using all its sensors. Best headset for VR porn.
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SourKraut posted:I thought the bottleneck is for the Ultra, where the 20 cores can’t fully take advantage of the 48 (or 64) core GPU? That’s a different bottleneck due to the interleaving of dual GPUs and the fact that they don’t always scale linearly working together, even over a fast interconnect. The 32 core GPU on the Max apparently requires more bandwidth than the percentage the SoC allocates, but the 24 core model isn’t held back by what’s available. I’m tired, but that’s the gist of it.
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Hasturtium posted:The 32 core GPU on the Max apparently requires more bandwidth than the percentage the SoC allocates, but the 24 core model isn’t held back by what’s available. Is this something that Apple would have been able to address with a software/firmware fix?
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Ok, I'm drifting towards picking up an M2 13' Macbook Air with my edu discount (which I only have due to work and so won't have forever!). Although a comment in this thread about M3 MBA's had me spooked. If they've just released the 15 inch MBA, its unlikely an updated one is round the corner? I know you're generally supposed to buy what you need when you need it - but there's been such a stink raised about the RAM/storage configs, I'm wondering whether it's likely they'll revise the base model for any future Air now we're out of the chip shortage. Also, the midnight 13' is the nicest looking laptop Apple have ever put out since the original white MacBook. There's a huge amount of grousing on reddit, Tech youtuber reviews about it being a fingerprint magment. But like my ipad, which is the grey model, gets instantly fingerprinty too, which you notice the first time, but then as you use it more the smudges kind of disappear into the device (same with my dark green iphone). Are people just being huge internet babies on that one? The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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The Grumbles posted:Ok, I'm drifting towards picking up an M2 13' Macbook Air with my edu discount (which I only have due to work and so won't have forever!). Although a comment in this thread about M3 MBA's had me spooked. If they've just released the 15 inch MBA, its unlikely an updated one is round the corner? I know you're generally supposed to buy what you need when you need it - but there's been such a stink raised about the RAM/storage configs, I'm wondering whether it's likely they'll revise the base model for any future Air now we're out of the chip shortage. There’s a nonzero possibility Apple drops a new 13” Air sometime in the next span of months (18 month cycle would have it back to getting a fall/November update) and that they quietly bump the 15” model while they’re at it. It wouldn’t be the first time they’ve done it. Or they could wait until early 2024, or until WWDC/June 2024. Or they could update the two sizes of Air separately. Nobody knows until it happens. Evergreen thread advice applies: if you need a computer now, buy it now. If you can wait and want to do so, then do so. But understand that you could be waiting a long time if you want an M3 model, or you could end up happily waiting until the holidays, or you could end up in a situation where you wait until some circumstance forces your hand to update and then 15 days later the new model drops. Trying to game it out beyond a basic “try to buy when new or when they first hit the refurb store” or “generally stick to known update cycles” is largely a fool’s errand The Grumbles posted:Also, the midnight 13' is the nicest looking laptop Apple have ever put out since the original black MacBook. FTFY The Grumbles posted:There's a huge amount of grousing on reddit, Tech youtuber reviews about it being a fingerprint magment. But like my ipad, which is the grey model, gets instantly fingerprinty too, which you notice the first time, but then as you use it more the smudges kind of disappear into the device (same with my dark green iphone). Are people just being huge internet babies on that one? My dad has one, it’s lovely and fine. You’ll love it. It’s not like the other finishes are orders of magnitude less fingerprinty.
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I dunno if this helps you or not, quote:MacBook Pro 16", M1 Pro Chip with 10-Core CPU and 16-Core GPU, 32GB Memory, 512GB SSD, Space Gray, Late 2021 $1849.99 at Adorama quote:Nice find! AppleCare is $80 off too with the code. Its a new unit.
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The Grumbles posted:Ok, I'm drifting towards picking up an M2 13' Macbook Air with my edu discount (which I only have due to work and so won't have forever!). Although a comment in this thread about M3 MBA's had me spooked. If they've just released the 15 inch MBA, its unlikely an updated one is round the corner? I know you're generally supposed to buy what you need when you need it - but there's been such a stink raised about the RAM/storage configs, I'm wondering whether it's likely they'll revise the base model for any future Air now we're out of the chip shortage. quote:Also, the midnight 13' is the nicest looking laptop Apple have ever put out since the original white MacBook. There's a huge amount of grousing on reddit, Tech youtuber reviews about it being a fingerprint magment. But like my ipad, which is the grey model, gets instantly fingerprinty too, which you notice the first time, but then as you use it more the smudges kind of disappear into the device (same with my dark green iphone). Are people just being huge internet babies on that one?
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jabro posted:See if she’ll use the m1 for a day or two. Yeah the 2013 still works but come on. There is no way after using an almost decade newer machine she’ll be nah I’m good. My old MBP works fine for browsing the internet, paying bills, watching stupid videos, etc. I replaced it because I wanted something more portable with better battery life. I don't use these for work, my job hands me hardware, so for personal stuff I can't imagine this thing won't last me 10 years.
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Chemmy posted:My old MBP works fine for browsing the internet, paying bills, watching stupid videos, etc. I replaced it because I wanted something more portable with better battery life. But if you had a decade newer machine in the household already paid for you wouldn’t say nah I’m fine with the older one after using the newer one for fifteen minutes.
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Posting from the 15" M2 MacBook Air (8GB/256GB base model) which I bought to replace a 2013 13" MacBook Pro for my wife. Early trip report: it is pretty incredible how much computer you can get for ~$1,000 (with the .edu discount) these days. Super thin, MagSafe is nice to have again, no fan noise, Touch ID, good speakers.. I have not found anything to complain about so far. Even this bare-bones model feels very quick for any kind of desktop use-type stuff I have done on it so far. I think these are going to be very popular as a consumer-oriented laptop with a big screen at a reasonable price.
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This generation of Mac laptops we've been in for the past year or so may well be the high point in all Apple history e: incidentally,  They don't usually use the term "laptop", do they? Usually it's "notebook" Apple rarely breaks kayfabe with their stubborn proprietary jargon, like "notebook" and "logic board" Took them years to give up and start calling it "wifi" after trying forever to make "AirPort" stick as a generic term Data Graham fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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Data Graham posted:This generation of Mac laptops we've been in for the past year or so may well be the high point in all Apple history they never did it in the past because they were so hot; with apple silicon they probably think it's fine to use the term without actually scalding someone lol
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