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Just finished it, I didn’t think she was lying. when Kevin meets evie in the weird purgatory she also makes it seem like there is a split. Her dad and brother were killed in the explosion in her reality. So I think it’s just the universes are splitting and some people go to one world and some to the other Things I liked - the running theme of a Christlike everyman, there are so many characters that sacrifice themselves for their loved ones, then God denouncing Christ towards the end just kinda reinforced it, there is no messiah from god, it’s on humanity to save itself or something Things I didn’t like - most of the characters and all of the dialogue. Laurie especially seemed written to infuriate the audience with every appearance starting from ep one. The dialogue, ugh. Frustrating. Don’t think I’ll watch another mystery box show for a very long time I can’t deal with them.
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LifeLynx posted:It does? She's lying. Sir Kodiak posted:This is my understanding as well, that she backed out of using the machine. Any concrete answer to the great mysteries of life is just a comforting lie.  I didn’t get this at all, but then I did remember it being odd all of that happened off camera. What’s the consensus on the dude playing God? I loved his answer to the ultimate question.
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A MIRACLE posted:omg I saw that in theaters, it was awful. I'm skipping the next avatar theater "experiences". theres a 45 minute sequence of just blue cgi people swimming and playing with the fish and poo poo That poo poo owned on gummies but lol the movie was so long it wore off before it ended
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Nightmare Cinema posted:Jury Duty was a bit too straightforward and wholesome for me. The Rehersal still trounces it. The Rehearsal straight up bummed me out. Need to summon the will to finish out the season bit feel bad for everyone involved other than Nathan.
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Haptical Sales Slut posted:
The entire episode is about people lying, particularly comforting lies to make themselves and others happy. Besides Kevin's obvious ruse, there's Nora's nun friend who admits the doves "spreading love around the world" is nonsense made up for the benefit of couples and wedding guests. There's also the idea that if you repeat a lie enough, you start to believe it, and the most believable lies have a bit of truth in them.
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Shageletic posted:The Rehearsal straight up bummed me out. Need to summon the will to finish out the season bit feel bad for everyone involved other than Nathan. The final scene of The Rehearsal is probably the most chilling thing I've ever seen.
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LifeLynx posted:The entire episode is about people lying, particularly comforting lies to make themselves and others happy. Besides Kevin's obvious ruse, there's Nora's nun friend who admits the doves "spreading love around the world" is nonsense made up for the benefit of couples and wedding guests. There's also the idea that if you repeat a lie enough, you start to believe it, and the most believable lies have a bit of truth in them. I agree with this and also I figured she was lying when she said she found her family living in the same house they were in when they disappeared. 98% of the houses in the world suddenly become vacant but you decide to stay in your crumbling empty neighborhood for 7+ years? At least find a house with a game room.
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I was watching this video on bad/good prologues and the basic idea was that good ones basically told the audience what the show/movie was going to be about. Heist movie having a heist scene as a prologue, dark gritty movie like John Wick having a dark gritty prologue. The difference between Lost and the Leftovers is that the Leftovers told you what the show was going to be (with the theme song literally stating "let the mystery be"), and Lost sold you a castaway show with deep chatacter studies and sci fi puzzles meant to be solved. And instead we got religious vaguely uplifting blahness and everyone dying I guess? Watchmen falls more in the Lost side of things I think, the last episode and closing plot is some cheesy over the top plotting with monologing threadbare villains when it started out with a powerful and true testimonial of horrifying white violence, but I guess the super villain IS super racist I guess
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pumped up for school posted:Piano version of "where is my mind" by the pixies? No I think I'm mistaking it for something else now, I think I'm mixing things up - I was thinking in my head the composer had used something from Arrival, but that wasn't the case. I should have mentioned it was a part of a score and not soundtrack but then again I think I got some wires crossed
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Shageletic posted:Watchmen falls more in the Lost side of things I think, the last episode and closing plot is some cheesy over the top plotting with monologing threadbare villains when it started out with a powerful and true testimonial of horrifying white violence, but I guess the super villain IS super racist I guess I dunno, I felt like Watchmen was very much the same themes throughout, and a planned arc rather than rambling with no resolution to stretch it out.
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forest spirit posted:No I think I'm mistaking it for something else now, I think I'm mixing things up - I was thinking in my head the composer had used something from Arrival, but that wasn't the case. I should have mentioned it was a part of a score and not soundtrack but then again I think I got some wires crossed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVN1B-tUpgs
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That's the one! I tried to do some googling but I kept getting articles about the score/soundtrack, which didn't give me any leads. Either google has gotten way worse or I've gotten much worse at searching. Anyway, here is an article lamenting it's frequent use I found after another google: https://www.cherwell.org/2020/04/27/stop-using-max-richters-on-the-nature-of-daylight-in-everything/ quote:Most everyone knew the piece from its use as sonic bookends in Denis Villeneuve’s Arrival, but chances are most of us have heard it a number of times. “On the Nature of Daylight” also features in such films as Stranger than Fiction (2006), Shutter Island (2010), Disconnect (2012), the documentary Jiro Dreams of Sushi (2012), The Face of an Angel (2014), The Innocents (2016), and Togo (2019). In terms of television, the track also plays at the end of an episode of Hulu’s Castle Rock titled “The Queen”, and was used very recently in the 35th anniversary episode of Eastenders. Perhaps most tellingly of all, a music video for the song starring Elisabeth Moss was released in 2018. So yeah it's fairly prolific. Also, did anyone else think all the talk about FUBAR was everyone re-discovering the Canadian mockumentary from 20 years ago??
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It got used in the last of us this year as well
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forest spirit posted:That's the one! I tried to do some googling but I kept getting articles about the score/soundtrack, which didn't give me any leads. Either google has gotten way worse or I've gotten much worse at searching. Lol, literally just heard this on an episode of Kleo (Netflix)
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Glottis posted:I dunno, I felt like Watchmen was very much the same themes throughout, and a planned arc rather than rambling with no resolution to stretch it out. I feel like it couldn't have been mapped out that well because 'masked vigilante cop threading the needle between institutional racism, active hate groups and police brutality' is an evocative interesting premise and 'what if doc manhattan got confused and did a time travel whoopsie while fighting a supervillain's daughter' is baby brain poo poo and the more it became about the second thing instead of the first thing the worse it got
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Wolfsheim posted:I feel like it couldn't have been mapped out that well because 'masked vigilante cop threading the needle between institutional racism, active hate groups and police brutality' is an evocative interesting premise and 'what if doc manhattan got confused and did a time travel whoopsie while fighting a supervillain's daughter' is baby brain poo poo and the more it became about the second thing instead of the first thing the worse it got I didn't even know how I was supposed to feel at the end there. Seeing what happened to Dr Manhattan, was that a good thing? A planned thing? Who knows!
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It felt like the theme of Watchmen gradually shifted from "the real supervillain is institutional racism" to "the real is supervillain is this group of villains who are very racist, and the solution to racism is to get them in a room together and kill them. Also, something something, Dr. Manhattan."
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The Leftovers was good but I regret watching it. Rectify was amazing but I regret watching it. Just solve all the mysteries, all of them, please! Real life is full of enough unsolved mysteries, I can't stand them in my fiction.
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SimonChris posted:It felt like the theme of Watchmen gradually shifted from "the real supervillain is institutional racism" to "the real is supervillain is this group of villains who are very racist, and the solution to racism is to get them in a room together and kill them. Also, something something, Dr. Manhattan." Yeah. First half of the show was incredible, but after the Hooded Justice episode it was diminishing returns from there on out, and its central themes got really fuzzy and watered down. Plus Manhattan not having any original reason to return to Earth other than "I was destined to" was absolute bullshit, in order to have a causal loop you need a cause, and his actions were totally unmotivated. And the stuff with Adrian was stretched out to the point of becoming boring and detracted from the overall narrative. Still, better than most TV I saw that year.
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Are there any mystery box series where everything is explained and all viewers are satisfied?
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ymgve posted:Are there any mystery box series where everything is explained and all viewers are satisfied?
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I caught Avatar: Way of Water now that it's on disney. Ridiculous blue people aside it's hard to overlook the glaring story problems. Feels like it didn't use its runtime wisely. A good vs. cartoonishly evil story is fine and all but dumbass human kid imprinting on the lab grown alien clone of the father he never knew and grew to hate all his life makes no sense. They bring this two dimensional villain back and show him as every bit of a monster as his original but the kid feels a connection to him somehow? Better save his life kid! He hasn't burned YOUR forest down yet! I can't believe how many people worked on the story. Edit: looks like I missed my window to post about it by a couple pages. Whelp! Sourdough Sam fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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ymgve posted:Are there any mystery box series where everything is explained and all viewers are satisfied? There's always dissatisfied viewers of anything, but in terms of shows that drag out a mystery for a long time but put their cards on the table by the end with generally positive reception I can think of at least Mrs. Davis, also from Damon Lindelof, Dark, and Fringe. I'm sure there's others.
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Dark I felt closed the loop on everything, I can't think of anything I cared about that much that wasn't answered. Like with The Leftovers what was the whole thing with the dogs
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Sourdough Sam posted:I caught Avatar: Way of Water now that it's on disney. Ridiculous blue people aside it's hard to overlook the glaring story problems. Feels like it didn't use its runtime wisely. A good vs. cartoonishly evil story is fine and all but dumbass human kid imprinting on the lab grown alien clone of the father he never knew and grew to hate all his life makes no sense. They bring this two dimensional villain back and show him as every bit of a monster as his original but the kid feels a connection to him somehow? Better save his life kid! He hasn't burned YOUR forest down yet! Little kid who always felt like an outcast being allowed to go on exciting adventures with guys who need his help and eventually feeling kinship with them is like...very basic human nature lol They do it on Breaking Bad with Mike and Jessie because Jessie is still mentally Spider's age
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A MIRACLE posted:Dark I felt closed the loop on everything, I can't think of anything I cared about that much that wasn't answered. Like with The Leftovers what was the whole thing with the dogs  Didn't answer the question that everyone was asking though! I lost it laughing my rear end off when he showed up in the alternate universe with both eyes but missing an arm
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Shageletic posted:The Rehearsal straight up bummed me out. Need to summon the will to finish out the season bit feel bad for everyone involved other than Nathan. The bit with the six year old near the end was extremely upsetting. I kind of wish we'd gotten more of the pilot style of episode, but the complete descent into insanity during covid production is going to leave a lasting memory. ymgve posted:Are there any mystery box series where everything is explained and all viewers are satisfied? Babylon 5 at the end of season 4. I don't know if it counts as a mystery box though since it was mostly written ahead of time.
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ymgve posted:Are there any mystery box series where everything is explained and all viewers are satisfied? I wish there was a simple website that would just tell you if a show ended without any cliffhangers or unresolved questions. Simple yes or no.
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I literally didn't care at all that The Leftovers didn't answer any questions really. It made me feel stuff.
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I was talking to a friend about television's most generic ending formula, and the vibe is: There's a big explosion, the main baddie gets clobbered but during the process one of the goodies dies. (It's sometimes more than one, but it's usually just the one, and they're ranked as fairly ancillary.) If the lead dies they go to space heaven or some other liminal space -- alternate universe, computer world -- where they encounter copies of people they knew in their previous existence. Everyone else escapes, but there's the suggestion that the show will continue on in some form. [Adapt down in stakes if you're dealing with a more quotidian show, and substitute "lead character dying" with "lead character needs to move away".] It is incredibly common, and though it's definitely produced a handful of really great finales I always see it as a bit of a waste. People get thousands of goes at pilots, hundreds of goes at first seasons and first season finales. You usually only get one or two goes at a planned obsolescence, and they nearly always waste them on one or two of the same kinds of stories. Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I wish there was a simple website that would just tell you if a show ended without any cliffhangers or unresolved questions. Simple yes or no. I think you'd end up running into a lot of edge cases, like Twin Peaks (season three), The Leftovers, Angel, Hannibal, I Hate Suzie, etc. where the series ends without resolution, but that lack of resolution works given the totality of what they're driving at. Even in cases where they obviously would like to do more (e.g. Suzie). Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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On the one hand I understand the desire for closure and a satisfying resolution to the mystery, on the other hand the final episode of The Prisoner is one of the greatest hours of TV ever and it pissed off everyone because instead of explaining who ran the Village or what it really was they focused on a social allegory about rebellion being co-opted by the very establishment it seeks to undermine.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I wish there was a simple website that would just tell you if a show ended without any cliffhangers or unresolved questions. Simple yes or no. Lindeoff? Or LindeOn?
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Maxwell Lord posted:On the one hand I understand the desire for closure and a satisfying resolution to the mystery, on the other hand the final episode of The Prisoner is one of the greatest hours of TV ever and it pissed off everyone because instead of explaining who ran the Village or what it really was they focused on a social allegory about rebellion being co-opted by the very establishment it seeks to undermine.
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mcmagic posted:I literally didn't care at all that The Leftovers didn't answer any questions really. It made me feel stuff. Same. Silo feels mystery boxy, but it's essentially one of the goofier vaults from Fallout, and in episode 2 we get a POV shot of the outside greenery through the eyes of the sheriff, which I was conditioned to think that's something that would be dragged out until a penultimate episode. I am meaning to finish it when I have the time. There was another Fallout like tv show or movie the came out recently from Amazon studios I think, but it takes place before any nuclear annihilation afaik. Besides the aesthetic (1950s with a pinch of Nuclear Jetsons) I know absolutely nothing about it
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I wish there was a simple website that would just tell you if a show ended without any cliffhangers or unresolved questions. Simple yes or no. Have you thought about engaging with the ideas and feelings the movie/tv shows you watch are trying to convey instead of trying to "win" at watching them?
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GonSmithe posted:Have you thought about engaging with the ideas and feelings the movie/tv shows you watch are trying to convey instead of trying to "win" at watching them?
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Star Wars doesn't make the cut cause we never found out what General Grievous's whole deal was. Did he have asthma? Was he programmed to have asthma?
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mystes posted:Have you thought about engaging with the ideas and feelings of other posters without trying to "win" at posting? Yeah, I did that, "this things sucks because it didn't answer every question" and being mad about "plot holes" are really lazy ways to engage with tv/movies.
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On the other hand, shoehorning in a mystery to your tv show/movie that is actually about feelings and not about the mystery is a really lazy way to write a screenplay. If your characters are compelling they will still be compelling without the mystery
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GonSmithe posted:Yeah, I did that, "this things sucks because it didn't answer every question" and being mad about "plot holes" are really lazy ways to engage with tv/movies. I guess I'm just too lazy to write my own fanfiction ending
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