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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Even ignoring the initial altercation, holding the choke long after the other guy was unconscious makes it an easy manslaughter vote if I’m on that jury. That is what gets me. You know when someone goes out when choking them. It doesn't take much sense/effort to relax that hold to not kill someone. If you can't tell if the guy you are choking out is out, you probably shouldn't be choking people.
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That Works posted:always projection etc I'm glad there's an illustration as to why I've been calling Kat Timpf and Gutfeld, exclamation point, as the next great FOX sexual harassment case. The dude's not even subtle in his "hey, I think you're hot".
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To clarify my point, I certainly don't think a jury would convict of murder and because this reality sucks they probs won't convict on manslaughter either. But in my opinion, that veteran murdered a homeless man in cold blood while people watched
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It's America. People like Krusinki think the murder was okay because homeless people,e specially black homeless people who are mentally ill, are less than human and that killing them is a net good.
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Fivemarks posted:It's America. People like Krusinki think the murder was okay because homeless people,e specially black homeless people who are mentally ill, are less than human and that killing them is a net good. Yep you got me kid, that just old shim in a nutshell. Dork.
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Fivemarks posted:It's America. People like Krusinki think the murder was okay because homeless people,e specially black homeless people who are mentally ill, are less than human and that killing them is a net good. While I don't agree with Krusinski in the slightest here this is a pretty uncharitable reading that makes a lot of accusations without any substance.
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Fivemarks posted:It's America. People like Krusinki think the murder was okay because homeless people,e specially black homeless people who are mentally ill, are less than human and that killing them is a net good. ridiculous, wouldn't the old shim have been advocating for just nuking NYC? or is that the old me? it's all blurry
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Jun 15, 2023 14:16
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:It’s just disruptive when a crazy person is screaming they’re gonna loving kill you? That’s how we characterize poo poo now? The guy wasn't violent. That's the entire point.
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Grip it and rip it posted:The guy wasn't violent. That's the entire point. What this guy said. If your response to "White dude chokes a mentally ill man out for 15 minutes while onlookers tell him to let go" is "It was justifiable homicide", I think giving you poo poo for it is at least justifiable.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:It’s just disruptive when a crazy person is screaming they’re gonna loving kill you? That’s how we characterize poo poo now? He wasn't screaming that he was gonna kill anyone. The guy choked him as he said he was okay with dying. He wasn't violent. He got murdered for having a mental breakdown. This is practically saying that people beaten by cops while screaming about 'stop resisting' had it coming. The onlookers were begging the vet to not kill him and let him go. They didn't feel threatened at all.
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Everyone who spent any significant amount of time on a NY subway spent about five seconds looking at him, thought "No knife, no gun, not swinging at anybody. Wonder what's on Netflix tonight?" All reporting on the topic I've heard is nobody besides Captain Chokehold, Murderer Esquire, felt "threatened" enough to do anything besides maybe give him some extra space and spent the whole time of his murder trying to get Sir Chokesalot to let the gently caress go.
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Jun 15, 2023 14:33
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The only mitigating thought I had about this was when I was in we were grappling and choking each other out all the loving time. It wasn't until many years later I learned how absurdly dangerous what we were doing was. I could see me of that time period not comprehending the risk of death in that situation.
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Fivemarks posted:It's America. People like Krusinki think the murder was okay because homeless people,e specially black homeless people who are mentally ill, are less than human and that killing them is a net good. I think you've missed the mark. People like shim here have likely only heard part of the story and not watched any video of the event itself. I know I haven't. I also am assuming that shim hasn't watched the video because very few people I know have actually watched it. If the only thing I've heard is that Neely was threatening people and yelling that he would kill them, then I could see manslaughter as more reasonable. Not everyone has perfect knowledge of what went down. Everyone's own level of information is going to drive their opinion. Jarmak posted:The only mitigating thought I had about this was when I was in we were grappling and choking each other out all the loving time. It wasn't until many years later I learned how absurdly dangerous what we were doing was. This is also true.
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Jun 15, 2023 14:49
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Popehat's response to the above article: "Offering good legal advice to Donald Trump is like offering MILF porn to Jared Fogle" It's particularly insane that in the article, it mentions that because the National Archives and FBI were so desperate to get the documents back, it just made Donnie more defiant. Dumbass. btw here's Tom Fitton, who is not a lawyer: https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/1669342585176088582?t=5sIfxsA2vOwbYYtRVHbQ7g&s=19
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Jun 15, 2023 14:59
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Mr. Nice! posted:I think you've missed the mark. People like shim here have likely only heard part of the story and not watched any video of the event itself. I know I haven't. I also am assuming that shim hasn't watched the video because very few people I know have actually watched it. yeah but, whenever any black person gets killed by a white person in the US, media immediately spins it to make the victim look as bad as possible.
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facialimpediment posted:Popehat's response to the above article: "Offering good legal advice to Donald Trump is like offering MILF porn to Jared Fogle" That's the hilarious thing when I see RWM going after this case as a "double standard" is that it is 100% from the opposite direction. Like with 99.9% of the dumb poo poo Trump does after being advised not to, all he had to do was say "those are my documents but if you want it back then gently caress it, I'll still complain," and nothing would have happened. And the fact he has no restrictions on travel, didn't have to surrender his passport, or any number of other special circumstances that a regular federal defendant would have be under. Seeing RWM spin it as "they can come for you," is hilarious as if I kept classified material, they would have sent NCIS to truncheon me, take it back, and then see me put in a cell for a long long time
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Nick Soapdish posted:That's the hilarious thing when I see RWM going after this case as a "double standard" is that it is 100% from the opposite direction. Like with 99.9% of the dumb poo poo Trump does after being advised not to, all he had to do was say "those are my documents but if you want it back then gently caress it, I'll still complain," and nothing would have happened. And the fact he has no restrictions on travel, didn't have to surrender his passport, or any number of other special circumstances that a regular federal defendant would have be under. Seeing RWM spin it as "they can come for you," is hilarious as if I kept classified material, they would have sent NCIS to truncheon me, take it back, and then see me put in a cell for a long long time Reality Winner leaked a handful of documents based on election interference and got locked the gently caress up before the article was even published by the paper she leaked them to, stayed there throughout the trial, and got out years later after serving her sentence. So yeah of course the dumpy fat fucker waving around god knows how many hundreds/thousands of documents up to national nuclear weapon secrets and storing that poo poo on stage in publicly accessible areas while getting to walk away with no enforceable pre-trial restrictions is being unfairly persecuted. Really hoping the country as a whole learns how to deal with narcissistic lies from all this. The default, ground level response to everything Trump says needs to begin from the point of "This is self-serving bullshit and lies, why are you saying it and what do you expect to get out of it?"
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bird food bathtub posted:Really hoping the country as a whole learns how to deal with narcissistic lies from all this. lol https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1669328902232195074?t=iTRCzyQsObKPlyGjv7geNw&s=19 The only general hope is that this continues to force a hard ceiling on trumper mindsets - because they don't give a gently caress about things like lies, they just like his vibes and that's that.
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facialimpediment posted:Popehat's response to the above article: "Offering good legal advice to Donald Trump is like offering MILF porn to Jared Fogle" Judicial Watch is full of non-lawyers because its a Right Wing thinktank that makes really dubious claims about legal things in the desire to militarize the courts in order to attack and oppress people and groups they don't like.
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Fivemarks posted:yeah but, whenever any black person gets killed by a white person in the US, media immediately spins it to make the victim look as bad as possible. Absolutely 100%. We have major systemic racism problems in this country. I've found that it's better to try to teach people why a certain line of thinking is wrong rather than calling them racist seems to work better. Note, I'm not trying to poo poo on you, and I can understand where your initial response is coming from. We do live in a lovely racist country filled with lovely bigoted people.
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Nick Soapdish posted:That's the hilarious thing when I see RWM going after this case as a "double standard" is that it is 100% from the opposite direction. Like with 99.9% of the dumb poo poo Trump does after being advised not to, all he had to do was say "those are my documents but if you want it back then gently caress it, I'll still complain," and nothing would have happened. And the fact he has no restrictions on travel, didn't have to surrender his passport, or any number of other special circumstances that a regular federal defendant would have be under. Seeing RWM spin it as "they can come for you," is hilarious as if I kept classified material, they would have sent NCIS to truncheon me, take it back, and then see me put in a cell for a long long time Yeah also... That's entirely the point of government. Ideally they stop anyone from breaking the law. It speaks to how deep seeded the outrage machine has burrowed that the notion of being arrested for breaking the law is presented as a dark future instead of reality.
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Jarmak posted:The only mitigating thought I had about this was when I was in we were grappling and choking each other out all the loving time. It wasn't until many years later I learned how absurdly dangerous what we were doing was. It is a miracle we didn’t kill each other more often.
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facialimpediment posted:lol I thought of posting both here and elsewhere that I hoped the cafe got his credit card info before he left. Turns out they didn't need it!
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The future isn't all bad - there is now a 24/7 livestream in Pennsylvania of the site where they're rebuilding the part of I-95 that collapsed. https://twitter.com/GovernorShapiro/status/1669321348693229568 https://pacast.com/live/I95
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Legal Eagle has released his take on the Trump indictment, and while it didn't really bring up anything new, it did raise one interesting point. The documents used in the indictment must be read by the lawyers as part of discovery, so there is every chance that the ones chosen are not the worst or most damaging things stolen. Which is, uh, all kinds of bad.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Legal Eagle has released his take on the Trump indictment, and while it didn't really bring up anything new, it did raise one interesting point. Every attorney on the case has to have the appropriate security clearance to see the documents. Trump’s attorneys will have to get at least interim clearances before they can review discovery content.
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I might be paraphrasing wrong, I watched it before bed last night, but the point about having to choose the least damaging docs was a big old from me
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I might be paraphrasing wrong, I watched it before bed last night, but the point about having to choose the least damaging docs was a big old This has been pretty heavily implied in a few other law-based podcasts I've been listening to. The prevailing wisdom is they're the least damaging ones because Trump can never shut his fat gently caress narcissistic gob so there's a pretty fair chance their contents become more widely known as well as the ones that made for the best case against ol' Trumpy. Think stuff like the table of contents labeled "THE NUCLEAR SECRETS YOU JACKASS KEEP THIS SECRET" but then not putting the rest of the pages in as evidence. There's simply no way that smarmy poo poo stain stopped at stealing only 30-some documents. Edit: I do want to add that the charges filed against him very, VERY specifically have absolutely nothing to do with their classification. Nothing. At all. Period. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nadda. They saw the dumpy dumbfuck's "psychic mind bullets of declassification" arguments coming a mile away and the charges have nothing to do with that. They wanted to cut that off at the pass and make the trial multiple years shorter by not even making that accusation. He *cannot* make that defense, he is not being charged for it. If you're charged for carjacking someone, saying "Your honor I clearly did not run that red light in the car. I must be innocent!" doesn't fly. bird food bathtub fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:Every attorney on the case has to have the appropriate security clearance to see the documents. Trump’s attorneys will have to get at least interim clearances before they can review discovery content. Security clearance or not, you're going to want to limit how many people are exposed to those documents, that's basically the whole idea behind compartmentalization.
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Mmmmmm small government.
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Ah is this how they’re going to just delete Harris co votes out of existence?
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First rule is you must immediately remove your "Don't California my Texas" bumper sticker 
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I suppose the governor of Texas can appoint a State Leader to the city and county governments to override local rule and ensure proper political conformance is enforced. Germans might recognize the concept as a gauleiter.
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A.o.D. posted:I suppose the governor of Texas can appoint a State Leader to the city and county governments to override local rule and ensure proper political conformance is enforced. Do any Texas cities have polluted rivers and lead pipes in their water infrastructure?
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Do any Texas cities have polluted rivers and lead pipes in their water infrastructure? Not that we know of/yet.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Do any Texas cities have polluted rivers and lead pipes in their water infrastructure? The governor is absolutely disgusted that you would imply such a thing.
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