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koolkal posted:Not a lawyer but isn't it common to charge both murder and manslaughter under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_included_offense IANAL but doesn’t an obvious not guilty on the most severe charge make it more likely for the jury to state not guilty on the lesser charges as well?
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Willa Rogers posted:What's interesting is that the partisan divide on the economy cuts both ways: Under Trump a majority of Democrats thought it was bad & the lines literally switched with each other once Biden took office. I've long been of the opinion that, outside of extraordinary circumstances, the current administration has relatively little to do with the day to day economy. Policy takes awhile to take effect, and often does so in unexpected ways. Extraordinary circumstances for the economy would include, however, TARP and the various other measures undertaken to counteract the mortgage crisis and resulting recession, and CARES under Trump in response to COVID. There are plenty of indirect, nonpolicy ways the government affects the economy, but those often are behind the curtain or take years for their impact to be noticed/measurable.
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Killer robot posted:Except it's often literally the opposite with a large swath of the population reporting that their own financial circumstances are stable/improving while expressing deep malaise about "the economy." That's a big part of the weirdness of the current situation. If I recall correctly it was one out of every four people who said their own economic situations were poor or fair, which (even while lower than what they thought others were experiencing) is not all that wonderful in the scheme of things. The scheme of things being stats like 1/3 of Americans foregoing prescribed medicine bc of its cost, or more than half of all Americans not having $500 cash to cover an emergency. There's also now near-record levels in credit-card debt, and that's after student-loan forbearance for three years. It really depends where you're sitting for your views on the economy, but most of the stats are pretty disheartening.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I've long been of the opinion that, outside of extraordinary circumstances, the current administration has relatively little to do with the day to day economy. Policy takes awhile to take effect, and often does so in unexpected ways. Extraordinary circumstances for the economy would include, however, TARP and the various other measures undertaken to counteract the mortgage crisis and resulting recession, and CARES under Trump in response to COVID. There are plenty of indirect, nonpolicy ways the government affects the economy, but those often are behind the curtain or take years for their impact to be noticed/measurable. Maybe that's true for the current administration but the last one providing immediate no-questions-asked single-payer, cash grants, student-loan & eviction forbearance, and living unemployment compensation had a notable & measurable positive effect on the economy when it came to things like paid-down debt & cash savings.
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Willa Rogers posted:What's interesting is that the partisan divide on the economy cuts both ways: Under Trump a majority of Democrats thought it was bad & the lines literally switched with each other once Biden took office. 2020-2021 had a whole lot of confounding effects with the election-to-post-inauguration happening around when unemployment was sharply dropping, fresh aid was out all the same, and vaccines were becoming available so even in that winter covid wave there were reasons for optimism that weren't based on the team in the White House. A whole lot of material changes were happening.  But up until then by-party views of the economy tracked pretty well in parallel through the Trump administration. To find the really interesting point of divergence it's more telling to look at 2016/2017 when nothing dramatic was changing in the economy: Democratic views stayed relatively flat while Republicans went from "the economy's in the toilet" to "everything's great!" overnight.  So yeah, who likes the economy changes a lot based on who's in charge but it's almost entirely because of wild careening by conservatives.
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Willa Rogers posted:Maybe that's true for the current administration but the last one providing immediate no-questions-asked single-payer, cash grants, student-loan & eviction forbearance, and living unemployment compensation had a notable & measurable positive effect on the economy when it came to things like paid-down debt & cash savings. Is this the CARES act, or other Trump-era policies?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:
Lol, even better; Their genius tactic in the event that someone starts throwing hands at you? Walk away. Yep. Someone gets worked up enough for whatever reason to start trying to fight you, you just turn and walk away. Obviously, they'll drop aggro as soon as you turn your back to them and then there will be no more problem 
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Seemed to be a boomer thing that victims were expected to accept their part and take the abuse, not fight back and disturb the natural order of things.
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the_steve posted:Lol, even better; Their genius tactic in the event that someone starts throwing hands at you? Walk away. Don't forget zero tolerance! Let's expel the kid getting picked on, since he's clearly a troublemaker as well, being a target and all.
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The only actual fight I saw in high school was two dudes beefing over Xbox live invite poo poo. The actual bullying was just subtle harassment and needling.
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With regards to the wider conversation: I was really lucky I guess then that every single time I had to defend myself from bullies up until I moved to the district's alternative high school after my freshman year and stopped getting bullied at all, I got attaboys from everyone including my parents. My alternative education high school was a magnet for kids who didn't fit in so we had a lot of LBGTQ kids who were openly out, especially for circa 2002-2005. I would say somewhere around 5% of the student body was out (so maybe around 20 students out of 400 or so) and I don't feel like they got singled out for their sexuality. We were really low violence altogether though, especially for Flint in the early 2000s and had a pretty chill environment as far as peer bullying went. I think the fact that we were all misfits for whatever reason in our normal school contributed, as well as our objectively left wing teachers and administration who actively cultivated an inclusive environment. The biggest friction I can think of is when the dual enrollment program I was piloting needed someone to volunteer to share a room with one of my gay classmates on a summer trip where we all went up north for a few days to team build and have fun and stuff. I volunteered to share a room and it went fine but there was an undercurrent driven by conventional mores at that time that you were somehow secretly gay too if you shared sleeping quarter with a gay person. I think my classmates from 20 years ago in Michigan are objectively more progressive than my peers today in Kansas. Those experiences really shaped my viewpoints on things and I kinda wish more kids had the kind of high school education I did.
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the_steve posted:Lol, even better; Their genius tactic in the event that someone starts throwing hands at you? Walk away. Seems like a valuable lesson if you ever take the subway.
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the_steve posted:Lol, even better; Their genius tactic in the event that someone starts throwing hands at you? Walk away. "Well you must have done something to provoke him, people don't just decide to start a fight out of nowhere now let's talk about what you could have said/done to defuse the situation..."
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Walking away is something that I’d do now as an adult. But as a kid? lol and lmao.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Seems like a valuable lesson if you ever take the subway. Oh hey you're back! Did you want to follow up on your claims about transgender people and their allies you made?
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https://twitter.com/mychaelschnell/status/1668975975822942211?t=_yg8HrTHWlOyRC-y5FXk2g&s=19 Gonna be interesting to see what happens with this. That looks like a trial balloon and if I lived in that other time line where Reagan never happened I'd think that such a trial balloon might be a indication that at least some of the money people in behind the GOP are starting to remember what happened to the oligarchs who Putin decided he didn't need anymore. However we live in this one so I suspect that he'll either come out extra Trumpy in a day or two or decide he needs to spend more time with his family rather than run for reelection.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Walking away is something that I’d do now as an adult. Yeah same. In high school I got picked on a lot like in full view of teachers/whatever and even hit and stuff but any time I would fight back or so much as curse at the person I would get detention. But also me doing those things is the only reason it stopped.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...urce=reddit.comquote:“Having read the indictment, these are very serious allegations,” Mr Pence told The Wall Street Journal’s Editorial Board on Tuesday. Pence wants the Indiana GOP to wrest control of the national party from the unchristian trump/maga/qanon clowns. As an Indiana resident, by no means do I want the Indiana GOP in charge of the White House - but yeah, kick trump in the teeth plz
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Skex posted:https://twitter.com/mychaelschnell/status/1668975975822942211?t=_yg8HrTHWlOyRC-y5FXk2g&s=19 He's in a blue district and won by 2% last year, can't rule out that he thinks that kind of thing will help him get reelected.
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RE: Bully chat I noticed a double standard a long time ago: If I antagonize someone, it's my fault when they get upset with me; but if someone antagonizes me, it's my fault for getting upset with them.
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Among the many hosed things with the American narrative on school shootings is that the shooters are very rarely victims of bullyings, but often the perpetrators, and it's easy to see how shootings are the logical conclusion of unchecked bullying.
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the_steve posted:Gods, yeah, I hated that poo poo. In most schools I was at or knew people at, this was the case even if you didn't defend yourself. I got attacked in the cafeteria at one point and just stood up and gave the guy a confused expression but didn't lift a finger as he punched my face. The lunch aides showed up and immediately threw me against a table and grappled me, even as the guy attacking me was trying to climb over the dude's shoulders to continue swinging. I got suspended for it, even though the entire school saw me do jack poo poo other than get punched a few times. Meanwhile, my brother-in-law got suspended for having his nose broken after a guy sucker punched him in gym class. Again, he never threw any punches back or anything. Boomers loved that zero tolerance bullshit. I don't think the schools my kids go to do that anymore, thankfully.
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The new way of bullying is to show your classmates your mom's onlyfans account.
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Lager posted:In most schools I was at or knew people at, this was the case even if you didn't defend yourself. I got attacked in the cafeteria at one point and just stood up and gave the guy a confused expression but didn't lift a finger as he punched my face. The lunch aides showed up and immediately threw me against a table and grappled me, even as the guy attacking me was trying to climb over the dude's shoulders to continue swinging. I got suspended for it, even though the entire school saw me do jack poo poo other than get punched a few times. Simpler from a liability point of view, probably.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Simpler from a liability point of view, probably. It's this, if you suspend one kid the parents will scream about "what did the other kid do, then???" so if you send both home you get to largely wash your hands of the incident. And as a former teacher, it genuinely can be hard to identify low-key antagonisms going on. I had as many as 36 kids in a room at a time by myself, there is zero chance I could be aware of every single thing going on even if I'm just standing at the front of the room facing every single student. Lotta kids are skilled at engaging in consistent, annoying microaggressions to trigger a meltdown and when the meltdown happens the meltdowner? -ee? gets smacked. ...you know, this whole system sounds awfully familiar
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The theory that Taylor Swift secretly controls the government is looking more and more likely. The U.S. government reached a settlement with Live Nation and Ticketmaster to require them to list all fees for tickets upfront as part of the total price and to modify their "official resale" stores to prevent the ticket situation that happened with Taylor Swift's last tour (where tickets had nearly 120% in fees added on once you hit the checkout process and Ticketmaster allowed people to reserve huge blocks of tickets that were allowed to then immediately be listed on the "official resale" site of Ticketmaster. Weirdly, the CNN article doesn't mention Taylor Swift or that her complaints were what sparked the original investigation and calls for legislation. Which makes sense if you are trying to keep the power behind the throne out of the limelight and above suspicion... Ticketmaster and Live Nation were allowed to do this for years unchallenged, but the full might of the federal government gets brought down upon them as soon as they cross Ms. Swift. quote:Biden to announce Live Nation and Ticketmaster will allow consumers to see all fees up front https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/15/busi...m_medium=social Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The theory that Taylor Swift secretly controls the government is looking more and more likely. Gaylor Swift is over, this is the summer of Regulator Swift.
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We've got cameras basically over all the public areas of my school now, and from what my admins tell me that has really changed the fight game in high school, at least the on-campus fight game. Where it used to be he-said-he-said and they had to worry about the attacker's parents claiming "no one knows, this isn't fair, waaaah" now they can just click "Play" and go, "oh look here's your blameless little angel shoving a kid to the floor and kicking him, you'll need to make alternative arrangements for his schooling for the next ten days, and if he causes any more trouble you'll have to make alternative arrangements for the next X years as he will be expelled from the district." Of course, roughly 90% of the time now the kids loving videotape evidence themselves which makes it even easier. When that "Devious Lick" poo poo was going on a few years? ago (tiktok thing where kids were uh supposed to destroy their school bathrooms, I guess?) my principal went on the PA in the morning and announced that anyone participating in this "challenge" was gonna hit da bricks for the rest of their school years. Well of course we had two boys who walked into a bathroom about 10 minutes after school started and broke a sink off a wall. Of course, there was video of them walking into the bathroom, and then video of the next person walking into the bathroom and then running up to the office to tell them there was water everywhere. They hauled these two kids up and they began to master criminal it up, "You can't prove anything, this is a WITCH HUNT, how do you know it was us, etc." This stopped pretty quick when the AP turned his phone around and showed them the video they just posted showing them mugging for the camera while smashing up the bathroom. "ARE YOU TAKING NOTES ON A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY?!?!"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The theory that Taylor Swift secretly controls the government is looking more and more likely. I mean people have been calling for this well before Taylor Swift. Her tour is so large that it launched it back into the spotlight and before Congress yet again, but she's not the first.
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BonoMan posted:I mean people have been calling for this well before Taylor Swift. Her tour is so large that it launched it back into the spotlight and before Congress yet again, but she's not the first.  People have been calling for it forever, but Taylor Swift demanded it be changed and it got changed in 6 months. Because she secretly controls the government.
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JonathonSpectre posted:
The tried the Trump defense, huh? Speaking of that, can the feds get a warrant for the security camera footage of Mar A Lago?
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BiggerBoat posted:The tried the Trump defense, huh? Hey look mar a Lago is hiring a pool boy with server room experience again
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I feel schools could have done a lot more about bullying if they actually wanted to, but technology definitely proves one of my personal adages; if you want people to do something, make it as easy as possible for them to do. Also it's a saving grace that bullies are stupid and have no impulse control.
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BiggerBoat posted:The tried the Trump defense, huh? They already have it according to the indictment.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The theory that Taylor Swift secretly controls the government is looking more and more likely. This should apply to all goods and services. Why is this limited only to these two companies?
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Going from an absolutely miserable childhood of fairly horrible peer abuse to college, where nobody cared to moderate, to being employed was jarring. Every company I have worked for has had a mandatory "this will not be tolerated" video you have to watch every single year, that clearly spells out what you'll lose if you're a piece of poo poo, and who to go to for protection if someone is being a piece of poo poo, and that's like, sure it's great, but it just reminded me how hosed it is that children aren't afforded the same protection as adults, who ostensibly are more able to protect themselves.
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SwiftOnSecurity more like SwiftOnNationalSecurity
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Veryslightlymad posted:Going from an absolutely miserable childhood of fairly horrible peer abuse to college, where nobody cared to moderate, to being employed was jarring. Children have no legal rights and do not participate in economic production. There’s no profit motive in protecting them.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Among the many hosed things with the American narrative on school shootings is that the shooters are very rarely victims of bullyings, but often the perpetrators, and it's easy to see how shootings are the logical conclusion of unchecked bullying. Do you have some sources on this? I'm interested bc the narrative is so prevalent, and thus a lot of the high-profile school shooters appear to have histories of being bullied.
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