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Charliegrs posted:This isn't exactly related specifically to the Trump trial but I'm sure it will be. So if lots of evidence gets shared in the public domain, like the news, then what is the point of trying to get some evidence inadmissible in court? Like the jury can't unknow something they saw on the news that was supposed to be evidence but now isn't. Do the jurors have to pretend they don't factor it into a decision when surely in the back of their mind they do? That's the idea. Sometimes evidence will be presented during testimony in court and a side will move to strike it for various reasons. The judge will instruct the jury to not consider that statement/document/whatever in their deliberations.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1669393498389512192?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw Giuliani is going to want to be really careful before attacking politicians for offshore bank accounts...
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Lord Harbor posted:This is something I've never understood. Why is it that both sides always try to get stupid jurors? Shouldn't they realize that a dumb person would be just as easy for the opposing attorney to sway against them? It depends on the case. Lawyers can be a problem on a jury sometimes because they are trained for "issue spotting," i.e., identifying every single possible legal issue that can potentially be argued under the facts presented to them. So some of them can get hypertechnical, think they have spotted something significant, dig in their heels, and refuse to comply with the judge's instructions about the law to be applied. Most cases are pretty simple, and hinge on the facts of the accident, the meaning of the contract, etc. Which is part of the reason most cases settle (the cost of litigating is the other big reason). But some cases don't settle because one side is being completely unreasonable. A situation like a evil corporation that knows it is liable but wants it to be known that they never settle to discourage other lawsuits. Or a plaintiff's counsel that has a garbage case, but hoped for a quick settlement and now has invested lots of time and money into the case and is willing to roll the dice hoping to get lucky at trial. In those cases, the side that knows it has a weak case wants ignorant jurors that they might be able to confuse or sway with emotional arguments, or something similar. And the side that thinks it has the strong case wants competent jurors.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1669393498389512192?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw I guess the internal decapitation finally took on this one, sad!
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Jun 15, 2023 18:54
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It's crazy that the totally real person that definitely existed is now dead.
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Jun 15, 2023 19:50
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Rudy finally took his medication and his star witness vanished before his eyes. Clearly disintegrated by the villainous Democrats using their lead phantom operative, Hugo Chavez!
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Randalor posted:Rudy finally took his medication and his star witness vanished before his eyes. Clearly disintegrated by the villainous Democrats using their lead phantom operative, Hugo Chavez! I thought they had gotten access to the Jewish space lasers?
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1669393498389512192?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw Oh wow! What a shame! Surely the guy left behind notes, recordings, a signed affidavit, something to prove your case? Maybe tell us who it was since he's dead and all and we can independently determine how he got his information? Like of course you wouldn't just pin your entire case on someone nobody can confirm even existed, right? Right?
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Are we sure the guy is dead and not just visiting his girlfriend up in Canada?
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Jun 15, 2023 21:02
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What's funnier Rudy's witness no longer exists or Rudy still exists
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Tayter Swift posted:What's funnier Rudy's witness
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Nervous posted:Rudy's witness Borat 2 was funny. And upsetting
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The Clinton Kill List is undefeated imo.
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Judge Cannon jumpstarts oversight of Trump classified documents case with order on security clearances quote:
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lol have fun, DoJ. They have to go root all around in their past and interview their whole families and such for that. What happens when they find out that one of them downloads movies illegally or smokes weed. Do they just not get clearance? Removed from the case? Kids' table in the courtroom?
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mutata posted:lol have fun, DoJ. They have to go root all around in their past and interview their whole families and such for that. What happens when they find out that one of them downloads movies illegally or smokes weed. Do they just not get clearance? Removed from the case? Kids' table in the courtroom? I believe the DoJ hands off some clearance investigations to contractors. I'm not sure where the line is drawn (or if there is a line), but I have a feeling the DoJ will investigate these internally just to make sure there is no question about thoroughness. I wonder if that will draw Cannon's ire - especially if the DoJ says "Sure, it's going to take us 6 months, we'll let you know when we're done." Can Cannon order the DoJ to expedite the process? Can it be expedited?
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If you’d read the quoted bits you’d know that the judge just wants the lawyers to start the process by talking to the DOJ (I’m sure they have some kind of fast lane process for this) and to let the judge know that they have complied. She’s not asking for it to be done, just for it to start.
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Boris Galerkin posted:If you’d read the quoted bits you’d know that the judge just wants the lawyers to start the process by talking to the DOJ (I’m sure they have some kind of fast lane process for this) and to let the judge know that they have complied. I did read the quoted parts. I'm speculating that the DoJ is going to handle these clearance investigations internally and what the repercussions of that may be.
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Yeah as much as Cannon sucks this seems pretty typical for a case like this.
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bobjr posted:https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1669393498389512192?s=46&t=CBKJcBX0BD3U5HgUdsqBtw Ok, I have listened to this clip several times. It does not say that the "GOP witness who had all the Biden crime information" died. It says that Rudy claims to have a witness who was a Ukranian accountant and she was never contacted by anyone, and the person who died was a different person - her husband (the former head of Burisma). Well, 1) that Ukranian husband (Mykola Zlochevsky) is actually not dead. 2) The big witness for the GOP is not that woman. The witness is supposedly a former FBI agent who got notes of all sorts of evidence on Biden, including tape recordings (no he doesn't have tape recordings, he says that someone else said there were tape recordings). He doesn't have poo poo - apparently the notes are all unverified raw intel, uncorroborated rumors, etc. 3) The FBI witness dude is not dead either. Unless I am taking crazy pills, MeidasTouch has confused two completely different "witnesses" and also confused who is supposed to be dead. Rudy's witness was probably a scammer trying to get money out of him and she is long gone. Comer's witness is probably a real FBI agent, but he's a chud who has no actual evidence.
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Yeah the tweet is wrong but so is Giuliani. "I handed over all of my concrete evidence to the FBI and they didn't do anything" does not tell me the FBI is biased and is letting it go, it tells me the FBI thinks the evidence is a goddamn joke. Giuliani is a joke.
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Oh no has Rudy finally lost his credibility? If you are a whistleblower terrified of being killed by the Biden stormtroopers or whatever why wouldn't you just anonymously dump the poo poo on the internet. Yes I know the answer is because it doesn't exist.
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Apologies if this was covered, playing catch-up, just post...Lord Harbor posted:This is something I've never understood. Why is it that both sides always try to get stupid jurors? Shouldn't they realize that a dumb person would be just as easy for the opposing attorney to sway against them? * The most vocal don't want to deal with jury duty. * 50% try to file the paperwork to get excused. * Exemptions are more often granted for single points of failure, irreplaceables ("I'm the CEO", "I'm a doctor/psych with scheduled patients", "I have a conference in Antarctica", "I have a flight to meet in Spain", "I'm a single parent", "I'm a graduate student", "I'm one of three teams building a coronavirus vaccine") Seated juries will therefore be tilted toward: Public sector, non-professionals and service workers, non/lower degree holders, or retired folks. Parents with non-infant/toddlers also seems likely, but single people as well maybe. (Pastors?) Now, combine this with demographics on race, education, earning potential...  I have one uncle who has worked for USPS for 20+ years. He's always been on juries when called, doesn't complain, is very intelligent, but has noted jury demographics tend to the lowest common denominator. There might even be 40% who aren't stupid, but the perception... Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That's why saying you are an expert at something related to the case That room was so cautiously morose otherwise because they were scared of jury poisoning. These Wu Tang type comments were forbidden. We had to leave early one day because a potential started crying about possibly seeing photographs, trauma, etc., so they decided to talk in private. That was also the time a college guy answered "Does anyone know drug dealers?" in the affirmative.  T jury... How are they gonna find a dozen people that can even sit in the same room together? PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jun 15, 2023 |
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So they have to get security clearances, instead of having clearance? Isn't that an automatic 4mo delay? (Or 18mo with the usual process.) Is that before his lawyers can even look at the evidence, so the defense can't begin case preparation? (Or will claim they need 12mo after getting clearance) And... erm, T doesn't have clearance so the defendant can't even look at details of the evidence? IE, Biden has to grant clearance on these specific documents before T can see them. 
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I wouldn't make a very good juror because I'd never vote guilty for most crimes on account of being a prison abolitionist, but also because I would absolutely get booted out of the courtroom and held in contempt because I would be trying to get clarification on stuff given as evidence and as witness testimony and stuff. My autistic brain interprets the role as trying to deduce the truth of the situation and I'm far too far gone to accept that I have to work with whatis put before me and that I have to pretend I can and am following fictions like "I instruct the jury to disregard [damning piece of evidence]"
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Ms Adequate posted:I wouldn't make a very good juror because I never vite guilty for most crimes on account of being a prison abolitionist, but also because I would absolutely get booted out of the courtroom and held in contempt because I would be trying to get clarification on stuff given as evidence and as witness testimony and stuff. My autistic brain interprets the role as trying to deduce the truth of the situation and I'm far too far gone to accept that I have to work with whatis put before me and that I have to pretend I can and am following fictions like "I instruct the jury to disregard [damning piece of evidence]" The noted documentary film Twelve Angry Men has taught me that you can absolutely do this! 
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:So they have to get security clearances, instead of having clearance? Isn't that an automatic 4mo delay? (Or 18mo with the usual process.) Is that before his lawyers can even look at the evidence, so the defense can't begin case preparation? (Or will claim they need 12mo after getting clearance) no interim clearances are a thing
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Quorum posted:The noted documentary film Twelve Angry Men has taught me that you can absolutely do this! From Caine Mutiny we learn that trials of paranoid personalities hinge on them taking the stand.
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Ms Adequate posted:I wouldn't make a very good juror because I never vite guilty for most crimes on account of being a prison abolitionist, but also because I would absolutely get booted out of the courtroom and held in contempt because I would be trying to get clarification on stuff given as evidence and as witness testimony and stuff. My autistic brain interprets the role as trying to deduce the truth of the situation and I'm far too far gone to accept that I have to work with whatis put before me and that I have to pretend I can and am following fictions like "I instruct the jury to disregard [damning piece of evidence]" when I was on the jury we had ample opportunity to submit questions can't help you with wacky disregard statements but they haven't come up for me personally yet possibly because the only remotely spicy case i sat for was a burglar who cased the house competently but did not successfully notice the camera across the street with a clear and decent resolution view of his van and license plate as he was loading up the loot we didn't deliberate very long
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Sorry since IANAL so might be a dumb question - I obviously know federal courts handle huge gnarly stuff all the time, this just seems extra huge and gnarly meanwhile Chudge Cannon is relatively inexperienced and this trial is undoubtedly the most sprawling, complex, and high-profile case she has overseen. Given the nature of this, can she get additional resources to help her with this or does she do it all like it’s a normal run of the mill case? Will that lead to it taking longer since she and her standard team have to be doing a lot of heavy lifting on their own? I know she doesn’t have a “manager” per se but is there someone she could go to for how to handle certain things or is it all “you should know what you’re doing at this level” and if you gently caress up, the sides will file motions and possibly appeal to get it resolved? I’m just trying to imagine the sheer logistics of handling something of this magnitude with the security clearances and everything else.
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sticksy posted:Sorry since IANAL so might be a dumb question - I obviously know federal courts handle huge gnarly stuff all the time, this just seems extra huge and gnarly meanwhile Chudge Cannon is relatively inexperienced and this trial is undoubtedly the most sprawling, complex, and high-profile case she has overseen. She has a magistrate who is helping on the case. They handled Trump's intake. That said, Federal Judges are treated as big boys/girls who should know what they are doing. They aren't entry level positions. The only oversight she has is at the appellate court level if someone appeals a ruling of hers.
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Second E. Jean Carroll defamation trial against Trump set for Januaryquote:A federal judge on Thursday set E. Jean Carroll's second defamation trial against former President Donald Trump for early next year.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I would hope that her office still has career employees that know what they're doing. Yeah, every federal court and most state appellate courts have some career attorneys working behind the scenes. I'm one of them (but don't always know what I'm doing )
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Donald Trump has identified a frankly novel legal strategy for espionage trials: demand the federal government give you back the classified documents you stole
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