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Der Kyhe posted:Challenger 2 engine is a 26-liter diesel V12 sitting right next to the crew, I think having a water heater in the cabin for making tea or broth isn't the heat signature you really need to worry about here. The Abrams has a turbine engine, even! (the same one, in fact, used in the Blackhawk helicopter). That said, it's not an invalid concern. EM signature management is going to be a thing from here on out, even if you're 10s of kilometers from the front.
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Jun 15, 2023 21:51
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A water heater is a big resistor. Not sure the EM signature is the problem there. (Unless you count heat as EM, which I guess is technically correct).
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Jun 15, 2023 22:02
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spankmeister posted:A water heater is a big resistor. Not sure the EM signature is the problem there. (Unless you count heat as EM, which I guess is technically correct). I do count heat as EM. As we all know, "technically correct" is the best kind of correct. 
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Jun 15, 2023 22:41
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1669448454303514627 "Six counts of willful retention and transmission of classified information relation to the national defense, according to the Justice Department. Each of the charges calls for up to 10 years in prison, if convicted."
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Jun 15, 2023 23:26
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Vox Nihili posted:"Six counts of willful retention and transmission of classified information relation to the national defense, according to the Justice Department. Each of the charges calls for up to 10 years in prison, if convicted." So max 60 years in prison total? That seems lower than I expected. Didn't he leak many hundreds of pages of documents?
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Jun 15, 2023 23:54
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Ynglaur posted:The Abrams has a turbine engine, even! (the same one, in fact, used in the Blackhawk helicopter). So as a minimum to run the BV you need to run the gue (APU) which is about the size of a Land Rover engine, same sound signature as a light weight generator. But the GUE allows you to recharge all internal batteries both turret and hull. Also allows you to run all systems in the turret as well.
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Jun 16, 2023 00:05
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jaete posted:So max 60 years in prison total? That seems lower than I expected. Didn't he leak many hundreds of pages of documents? Sure but even if he gets half that he's still gonna spend his entire youth behind bars, and then have zero career prospects when he gets out. 30 years ago was before Ukraine signed the Budapest memorandum, for a scale reference for all the things this guy gets to watch fly by from behind bars. Also he should literally be cell buddies with Trump for doing the same if not worse crime.
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Jun 16, 2023 00:10
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Zero remorse for this kid on account of he was total psycho race war school shooter material, good job on his part keeping us all safe by being the moron discord leaker
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Jun 16, 2023 01:02
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jaete posted:So max 60 years in prison total? That seems lower than I expected. Didn't he leak many hundreds of pages of documents? That's not really how it works. https://www.pwnallthethings.com/p/what-sentence-might-trump-get-if You don't just add the max sentences together. There's a bunch of guidelines for how long a sentence should be and a lot goes into it.
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Jun 16, 2023 01:11
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the actual amount of time people generally serve for similar crimes isn't usually huge (as in multiple decades), the bigger impact is that it basically destroys your life and implodes your career. a 50 year sentence at that point is pretty immaterial e: immaterial is a poor choice of words, it's extremely material to the person in question, but it's immaterial wrt preventing future harm (already accomplished by making sure the person never gets in the same room as anything classified ever again) and immaterial to deterrence (which is provided by the person actually being caught, not the length of sentence) and it doesn't really do much more to disrupt someone's life that the personal, professional, and 5-10 years in prison is already doing. A 50 year sentence just means that now the feds are now also paying for 50 years of incarceration and medical care and so on. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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Jun 16, 2023 01:31
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Nenonen posted:Antonov is a Ukrainian company, they will probably just offer it to Ukraine. GhostofJohnMuir posted:
Yes, when Trudeau announced the seizure of the plane, he said Canada was going to give it to Ukraine.
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Jun 16, 2023 01:36
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of course it is, i completely forgot all the damage their infrastructure suffered in the opening days of the war
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boofhead posted:I thought most competent security services already knew who the likely spies were, and it was political/diplomatic/"decorum" reasons (as well as the desire to keep an eye on the foreign agents you've already identified) that precluded them from expelling them etc "spies" is ambiguous. officers who work under official cover as part of a diplomatic mission are hopefully known as "not actually an agricultural attache" if your CI people are good at their jobs, but you don't expel them because the other country will usually turn around and do the same to your official cover spooks (which you definitely have, and who are similarly probably known to host nation CI). agents are not employed by state; they're regular residents that officers recruit to feed the officer intelligence or do secret squirrel ops recruiting among emigre populations is something russian (and other) security services do do through both carrot and stick means, hence why you get things like security clearance denials because of foreign relatives poo poo like planting compromised people in foreign territory to do dirty work also happens and is a longstanding tactic employed by the russian security services (i still need to read The Compatriots by the Agentura people, but afaik that's the one of its main areas of focus), so Pavel isn't entirely out in left field. however, the suggestion that you should apply blanket surveillance to every russia-associated person you can find a la japanese internment is a bit daft, especially since the comparison example is generally regarded as a mistake. even if you toss ethical concerns to the wind, you'll spread your CI resources way too thin and mostly just dragnet a bunch of randos who aren't security service agents Orthanc6 posted:Sure but even if he gets half that he's still gonna spend his entire youth behind bars, and then have zero career prospects when he gets out. 30 years ago was before Ukraine signed the Budapest memorandum, for a scale reference for all the things this guy gets to watch fly by from behind bars. maybe the media and cultural landscape will have shifted so much in 30 years that this isn't an option, but surely he could find "work" as yet another "i was a rebel!" talking head in the right wing grift space
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Jun 16, 2023 04:51
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Herstory Begins Now posted:the actual amount of time people generally serve for similar crimes isn't usually huge (as in multiple decades), the bigger impact is that it basically destroys your life and implodes your career. a 50 year sentence at that point is pretty immaterial Yeah, generally you could say that over 10 years in prison gives no additional value (and in most cases imprisonment is a wrong punishment form anyways). Exception might be made for people who are actively dangerous to society, like serial murderers, serial pedophiles, mafia leaders and Donald Trump. Some people are real pricks but their violent asocial behaviour can be controlled with less effort through some sort of social work intervention, like requiring sobriety and giving counseling or therapy. At the same time, there needs to be enough controls so that if things start going downhill and they break their parole conditions and there is a risk of them hurting people then the person can be quickly moved to open prison or normal prison.
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Jun 16, 2023 13:38
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It's ok, the missile attacks on Kyiv while the African delegation were there didn't really happy. Just more fake news. https://twitter.com/PieterDuToit/status/1669683740044324865
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Jun 16, 2023 14:18
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Someone PM'd me with, "Ynglaur, what would you tell the Ukrainians, given what we know?" I figured I'd post it here in case others were curious what a random goon thinks.Ynglaur posted:I would do largely what the Ukrainians are doing: reconnaissance-in-force, try to force Russia to move operational reserves around, create lots of perceived pressure points, be very aggressive with counter-battery fire.
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Jun 16, 2023 14:30
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Speaking as a former sapper NCO and current engineer officer: I don't think western audiences are prepared to see the aftermath of a modern breaching operation. The sheer body count the sappers take in a breach is appalling. I hope to loving whatever that I never have to see one in real life because it will be brutal.
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Jun 16, 2023 14:42
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Dirt5o8 posted:Speaking as a former sapper NCO and current engineer officer: I don't think western audiences are prepared to see the aftermath of a modern breaching operation. The sheer body count the sappers take in a breach is appalling. I hope to loving whatever that I never have to see one in real life because it will be brutal. Why do people volunteer to specialise as sappers given their likely horrendous casualty rates? It doesn't have the glamour of the other specialties with high casualty rates like special forces I'd presume?
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Jun 16, 2023 14:49
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Dirt5o8 posted:Speaking as a former sapper NCO and current engineer officer: I don't think western audiences are prepared to see the aftermath of a modern breaching operation. The sheer body count the sappers take in a breach is appalling. I hope to loving whatever that I never have to see one in real life because it will be brutal. Yea I’ve seen another former army engineer say that after an engineer battalion does a breaching op, they’d expect to have a company-ish left when it’s all done. You’re trying to breach multiple obstacles (minefields, tank traps, fortifications, c-wire, etc), under heavy fire from people who absolutely do not want you to succeed in any way, and who have made preparations against exactly what you’re trying to do. Nothing about that was going to be easy, even when you’re not getting shot at by literally everything your enemy has.
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Jun 16, 2023 14:49
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Blut posted:Why do people volunteer to specialise as sappers given their likely horrendous casualty rates? It doesn't have the glamour of the other specialties with high casualty rates like special forces I'd presume? Why do you think that they volunteer? Military assigns people to units based on what needs they have, not what the recruits dream of.
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Jun 16, 2023 14:59
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I've known several people who volunteered to do EOD. Don't underestimate 20-somethings' natural desire to work with explosives
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Jun 16, 2023 15:08
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Nenonen posted:Why do you think that they volunteer? Military assigns people to units based on what needs they have, not what the recruits dream of. Tiny Timbs posted:I've known several people who volunteered to do EOD. Don't underestimate 20-somethings' natural desire to work with explosives On the soldier/NCO side, US EOD typically was pretty selective in wanting high performers with higher than average technical skills, and the ability to memorize a lot of schematics, understand basic electronics, etc. It was a job where reenlistment bonuses were the highest there are, and promotion rates pretty good. Sapper is also competitive, though officers seem to go a lot more nuts on sapper tab bragging than enlisted do. EOD has a bit of a reputation of not being hosed with as much by "big" army policy and fuckery, in exchange for the dangerous job and even in non-dangerous jobs, erratic schedule in demand (for example, being activated or tasked to go do EOD work in support of political rallies, big state events, etc).
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Jun 16, 2023 15:19
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Blut posted:Why do people volunteer to specialise as sappers given their likely horrendous casualty rates? It doesn't have the glamour of the other specialties with high casualty rates like special forces I'd presume? Why does anyone do anything dangerous ever? Glory is a motivator for some, I suppose, but relatively few. External motivators only get people through the door the first time, by the way. Once you're in the poo poo, it's almost invariably the bonds between soldiers which keep you going. One interesting bit of culture I noticed--at least in the US military--was this perception that someone else always had it worse than you.
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Jun 16, 2023 15:25
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Also sounds like something that gives a lot of useful marketable skills in mining, construction, excavation etc.
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Jun 16, 2023 15:26
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There is a very harrowing story about soviet afghan veteran sapper Valery Radchikov who lost his legs there clearing a minefield but volunteered for another tour (and somehow got cleared for it). He became a media star in late 80s because Soviets wanted an uplifting patriotic story - with that he became the founder of a veteran affairs foundation in the 90s. There he abused his position to launder millions of dollars in customs fraud. When he was ousted, he first blew up his successor in a hit job by mining an elevator and then blew up his funeral killing 14 people.
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Jun 16, 2023 15:31
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Also sappers have traditionally been allowed to grow beards (presumably because their hands shake too much from PTSD to shave safely).
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Jun 16, 2023 15:31
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fatherboxx posted:There is a very harrowing story about soviet afghan veteran sapper Valery Radchikov who lost his legs there clearing a minefield but volunteered for another tour (and somehow got cleared for it). He became a media star in late 80s because Soviets wanted an uplifting patriotic story - with that he became the founder of a veteran affairs foundation in the 90s. There he abused his position to launder millions of dollars in customs fraud. When he was ousted, he first blew up his successor in a hit job by mining an elevator and then blew up his funeral killing 14 people. alex314 posted:Also sounds like something that gives a lot of useful marketable skills in mining, construction, excavation etc. 
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Jun 16, 2023 15:32
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fatherboxx posted:There is a very harrowing story about soviet afghan veteran sapper Valery Radchikov who lost his legs there clearing a minefield but volunteered for another tour (and somehow got cleared for it). He became a media star in late 80s because Soviets wanted an uplifting patriotic story - with that he became the founder of a veteran affairs foundation in the 90s. There he abused his position to launder millions of dollars in customs fraud. When he was ousted, he first blew up his successor in a hit job by mining an elevator and then blew up his funeral killing 14 people. wow sounds like the plot of The Specialist
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Jun 16, 2023 15:37
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fatherboxx posted:There is a very harrowing story about soviet afghan veteran sapper Valery Radchikov who lost his legs there clearing a minefield but volunteered for another tour (and somehow got cleared for it). He became a media star in late 80s because Soviets wanted an uplifting patriotic story - with that he became the founder of a veteran affairs foundation in the 90s. There he abused his position to launder millions of dollars in customs fraud. When he was ousted, he first blew up his successor in a hit job by mining an elevator and then blew up his funeral killing 14 people.  What in the gently caress
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Jun 16, 2023 15:37
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And they say it's hard to apply military skills in the civilian world
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Jun 16, 2023 15:38
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Mederlock posted:
Like so many, he died of the thing that gets so many of us: car crash.
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Jun 16, 2023 15:40
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https://twitter.com/sambendett/status/1668577111198560257 discussion on Lancets always focuses on anti-air countermeasures, but I wonder if a cheaper alternative are just decoys to move the cost ratio favourably: it looks like they're too big to be used in a mobile context, so their targets are often prepared positions
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Jun 16, 2023 16:03
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decoys are prob way to go. "Make them turn on their AA so we can locate and shoot it" is like over a half century old as a tactic.
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Jun 16, 2023 16:07
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Isn't anti air notoriously hard to decoy because of the radiation emitted?
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Jun 16, 2023 16:19
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Taking advantage of a kamikaze drone's relatively shoddy thermal and optics might be the revived element here, I guess.
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Jun 16, 2023 16:20
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TheRat posted:Isn't anti air notoriously hard to decoy because of the radiation emitted? Nah you can just use microwaves. Trust me. A Serb told me once. Yeah it is
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Jun 16, 2023 16:22
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TheRat posted:Isn't anti air notoriously hard to decoy because of the radiation emitted? Maybe! You've got a balloon that looks like an air defense radar. Is it hard to decoy against an enemy whose elint and drone/satellite/etc. surveillance data is being collated and assessed by trained experts to select targets? Yes. You could probably still pull it off sometimes if it looks convincing, because hey not all radars are kept on all the time. Is it hard to decoy somebody into lobbing an Anti-radiation Missile at a balloon? Yes. Is it hard to decoy an enemy whose target selection boils down to a guy with a laptop directing strikes ad-hoc from his commercial grade drone? No. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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Jun 16, 2023 17:29
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Pablo Bluth posted:It's ok, the missile attacks on Kyiv while the African delegation were there didn't really happy. Just more fake news. Yeah it seems like the south Africans brought a lot of heavily armed bodyguards but neglected to inform the poles of this plan until they landed. My understanding is that SA was only one delegation of many from the AU making the trip though?
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Jun 16, 2023 17:32
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Pablo Bluth posted:It's ok, the missile attacks on Kyiv while the African delegation were there didn't really happy. Just more fake news. Yes, these fakes are getting more elaborate each day. Remarkable, really. https://twitter.com/sherwiebp/status/1669766358362468354?s=20
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Jun 16, 2023 19:25
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alex314 posted:Also sounds like something that gives a lot of useful marketable skills in mining, construction, excavation etc. Military demo doesn't have much crossover to civilian demo. Not in my experience anyway. I've never been EOD so I don't know about them. Military demo is made to be very easy and the math to calculate the amount of Boom you need is super simple. Construction and excavation that's transfers to civilian markets is absolutely a thing though. But that's less the realm of sappers in the U.S. Army. We have specific jobs for that.
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Jun 16, 2023 19:46
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This is beyond ridiculous. Meduza: Russian troops have been breaking into private properties and stealing everything... in Belgorod Translated by DeepL posted:"All the things have been turned over, some of them have been stolen". The governor of the Belgorod region was complained about the behaviour of the Russian military in Novaya Tavolzhanka There are no enemies in the area anymore so Russian troops have entered pillage mode. Maybe Putin will start stealing washing machine control boards from their own citizens to get components for missiles and drones?
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