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surc
Aug 17, 2004

Danaru posted:

I never quite understood, how did this post give the game away?

KM tried to edit their post on their alt and the buttons weren't there so they posted asking about if the thread wasn't working, then realized why once the post showed up from their alt and they then went back and edited the post from the KM account after.

e: oh or I'm totally wrong, I'd trust rhino's answer over mine

surc fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Jun 16, 2023

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The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



If I recall there was a forum bug where the last post doesn't appear in a thread until someone else responds, and by coincidence it happened with koalas March's last post. she couldn't see it but didn't want to post again under her main so she posted with her alt. The alt was known to the admins but already forgotten, and her posting on it alerted admins thus resulting in both being banned

a strange fowl
Oct 27, 2022

Metis of the Hallway posted:

I remember on bnr they called SA "the old country" and you couldn't refer to it by name, it was so weird and cultlike
lol

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

The Saddest Rhino posted:

If I recall there was a forum bug where the last post doesn't appear in a thread until someone else responds

yes, iirc this was after all of someone's posts were deleted from the database and it specifically affected the threads they had posted in. I think the solution ended up being making new threads for those topics.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Somewhat related to the birth of BnR, anyone remember the big Cuntellectual/Acerbatus blowup in TGRS that was one of the catalysts of FYAD being accused of being nazis (or at the very least was around the same time as that happened)? Because I might be connected to that in a pretty bizarre way.

I was once in a goon discord server for a gacha game with Acerbatus, and one day she started going off in the off-topic channel about trans people. I cut her off real quick and then right after that she DMed me with her whole tragic backstory and how she was actually trans too and such. I'm just a cishet guy so I immediately pass her off to the server owner who's trans herself to have a proper talk about all that, but I also suggest checking out The Great Race Space's trans goons thread because they might be able to help her out a lot more than me.

The next day I wake up and I hear about a huge QCS thread that popped up overnight accusing her of being an FYAD mole "just asking questions" in the trans goon thread and being grilled about being trans, and that thread had some pretty far-reaching consequences to say the least. So yeah, might have accidentally thrown a grenade into that bonfire.

Ibblebibble fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jun 16, 2023

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
aw man that's kinda sad with that context. poor acerbatus was just confused and ignorant

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Spanish Manlove posted:

aw man that's kinda sad with that context. poor acerbatus was just confused and ignorant

Nah she was definitely trying to start poo poo still, it's just that the way the TGRS people reacted was unacceptable.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
There was a weird time where KM and her group were making accusations that Cuntillectual was maliciously doxxed and outed as trans, and it never really made sense and came off as pure gaslighting because some of the responses were quoting CI from prior to that publicly saying they were trans.

Like, maybe not that blatant but something along the lines of "yeah tons of people already know, it's not remotely a secret"

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

They would post multiple times about how hosed up it is that their name was 'forced' to be Cuntllectual by the mods, and a mod said they had multiple times offered to change it for her in private and she said not to, so she just kept it so she could pretend that she was being victimized by mods still lol

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Nah she was definitely trying to start poo poo still, it's just that the way the TGRS people reacted was unacceptable.

ah ok, I read too far into it. Were the TGRS people were cut from the same cloth as the dudes during the FYAD thing who went full gently caress. OFF. when you told them that anyone who disagreed with them wasn't from fyad or a phobe of some sort?

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Nah she was definitely trying to start poo poo still, it's just that the way the TGRS people reacted was unacceptable.

In hindsight I would still like to believe that she was engaging with the thread in good faith, and I don't doubt that she's trans at all, but she's done a lot of lovely stuff completely unrelated to TGRS in the end.

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


pentyne posted:

There was a weird time where KM and her group were making accusations that Cuntillectual was maliciously doxxed and outed as trans, and it never really made sense and came off as pure gaslighting because some of the responses were quoting CI from prior to that publicly saying they were trans.

Like, maybe not that blatant but something along the lines of "yeah tons of people already know, it's not remotely a secret"

No I think it was the opposite of that, Cuntellectual accused the TGRS posters of outing her.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Basically even though she was a lovely troll who wanted to make people upset, it doesn't mean she deserved to be outed.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Ibram Gaunt posted:

They would post multiple times about how hosed up it is that their name was 'forced' to be Cuntllectual by the mods, and a mod said they had multiple times offered to change it for her in private and she said not to, so she just kept it so she could pretend that she was being victimized by mods still lol
It's a pity because Cuntellectual is a really good username that should've been accompanied by an avatar of a The Thinker statue wearing a cork hat.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Spanish Manlove posted:

ah ok, I read too far into it. Were the TGRS people were cut from the same cloth as the dudes during the FYAD thing who went full gently caress. OFF. when you told them that anyone who disagreed with them wasn't from fyad or a phobe of some sort?

honestly there's insane overlap with those posting pyschos.

The person who 'outed' CI was Queen Combat, who went off to admin BnR, in that CI wanted to join a trans only discord group, QC sort of vouched for her and told the mods thereby 'outing' her, and CI responded by blowing the whole thing up with her own QCS thread. It ended up being re-hashed in an insane manner when Yikeseroo happened.

This seems to cover a lot of it, but being QCS it of course has the FYAD forever war constantly mentioned
Undo the PBan on Cuntellectual

This was the massive wall of text over the whole thing

Cuntellectual posted:

Forum: Something Awful Forums

Issue: As per the title, is participating in bigoted behaviour off-site or in private channels still something punishable on-site? I don't expect the mods to police offsites, discords, etc; That would be absurd. But at the point it comes up on SA itself, even if the act wasn't committed on a public forum, is that still allowed?

Explanation: A little while back I'd had a few conversations via PM about some issues I was curious about regarding the SA transgender community, as I felt the general thread for transgender issues in TGRS was generally opposed to discussing more difficult issues.

At one point in one of these conversations, the person with whom I was speaking decided they were no longer interested in participating. I understood why someone might not want to talk about those issues further, and thought that was the end of that.

However what I found more concerning was when I spoke to a second goon, they informed me that the first had disclosed private information without my consent due to this disagreement. Specifically, the poster in question made the claim that I am transgender. (For the record, I believe I have not stated on these forums if I am cis or trans. I feel like it shouldn't be an important factor in most conversations, though I understand why people might disagree.)

Now, regardless of if that claim is true or not, outing someone is considered at best very poor taste and at worse a breach of privacy and a threat to personal safety. In the intervening days, I've gotten grief from a few people (not making any claims as to who, I have no idea how far this information was shared) apparently due to being transgender and disagreeing with them on various issues.

I tried to contact the TGRS mods about this when it happened, though they didn't seem particularly interested in talking to any of the posters involved. I then tried to speak with the admins, but they were understandably concerned about a lack of transparency if they took any action without the incident in question being on the public record.

I feel like it's very concerning to have a place ostensibly for minorities to discuss issues that affect them also be a place where it's okay to harass, dox, or otherwise try to attack people who disagree with them over issues that can be very personal and heated. I don't think outing someone is explicitly against TGRS' rules, but I feel even if it's not bannable or probatable it should be discouraged.


edit: I feel like it's important to clarify that I am, in fact, trans. I don't like bringing that in as a reason to make my opinion sound more important or anything, but there is actual harm being done by this. The only person at that time who would have had that information was indeed Queen Combat which confirms what was said to me in the PM that it was her who outed me.

admin edit: editing out another users info from this post. I sympathize with your situation but this isn’t helldump. Take information like this directly to the admins.

I recognize Acerbertus for a extremely weird dust up in adtrw I'll post as its one of the few things I know where to find

Acerbatus posted:

Could just be a coincidence then, I'd asked Julias about having clearer guidelines about some of the stuff that got posted and figured he was taking the opportunity for a new thread.

I meant I thought this iteration specifically had the horror tag, but maybe I was imagining it.

Snooze Cruise posted:

Specifically it was closed because of you and I rather you not post in this thread as well. You sent PMs last night asking for a link to get removed in the previous thread to a manga you said bothered you that was posted months ago. In the thread you made a quote expressing interest in this chapter and said you wanted it to get trashier. Once the link was removed you edited your own post in question to remove that you ever had an interest in the story.

The manga in question was chapter 2 of My Girlfriend's Not Here Today. There was a three panel sex scene between high schoolers that while I don't find personally problematic or pornographic I had no issues to removed it while I was asked. I do have an issue with the fact that you seem to want it remove in what is either a game to you or a move to protect your own back out of paranoia someone would call you out for liking the manga.

Bees closed the thread not out of the thread being full of stuff being over the line but a misguided attempt to fight back against you.
You have a history of being a terror in LGBT spaces on this forum, I think the appropriate fresh start here would be to keep you out.

Snooze Cruise posted:

I have no interest in debating you but to clarify a few things

i talked to bee's about this because i was venting, it was her thread, no mods or admins contacted her

even if you weren't the one who edited your post

this was referring to the manga you apparently had a problem with

i don't want you here, call it a grudge if you want. don't try to make this about you taking a noble stand because any number of lgbt posters on these forums can report in on your issues in the past. personally, i am disgusted with this. these issues get to me, and the fact that its being turn into some sort of game for you upsets me.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Oh yeah she was actually way worse than I remembered lol.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
CI seems like such a genuinely toxic person I'm amazed people were fighting to get her back, except it seems like they just wanted a easy cudgel to attack Reene at the time as well.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

There was a period of time after she reregged and I had talked to some friends of hers via discord and understood her situation better where I deeply regretted previously supporting her permaban and thought she was posting mostly fine (at least in places i read), and then, well, that was no longer the case anymore.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

if it helps i still talk to her occasionally and near as i can tell she has genuinely become a more normal person since leaving SA. yet another vote in favor of banning people when they get weird.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

but also yeah the TGRS vs cuntellectual thing was peak of that discourse because cuntellectual was a weirdo troll and the TGRS trans thread's response was to basically treat her as not actually trans/have some weird Trans Verification Scheme

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

symbolic posted:

uncertain if he was the person posting about how CSM Blu-Ray sold terribly in Japan and thus the CSM anime was a failure but it wouldnt surprise me if he was

At the very least that sounds about right for how Japanese executives think actually, from what I heard of major game companies completely ignoring digital and/or international sales and declaring games failures. Also how a lot of the ridiculously niche weird pervert anime is specifically intended to sell ludicrously overpriced box sets to a couple hundred shut-in nerds with no other hobbies. There actually was some shenanigans to try to prevent reverse importing of the DVDs sold at a more reasonable price to the much larger international audience.

pentyne posted:

CI seems like such a genuinely toxic person I'm amazed people were fighting to get her back, except it seems like they just wanted a easy cudgel to attack Reene at the time as well.

That whole period was characterised by hopefully the dying gasp of 2010s tribalistic trainwreck idpol where a lot of incredibly toxic people were making a brand of hiding behind marginalised identities and keeping everyone distracted by inventing enemies, usually the most vulnerable targets available, and demanding their immediate and unquestioned destruction.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

At the very least that sounds about right for how Japanese executives think actually, from what I heard of major game companies completely ignoring digital and/or international sales and declaring games failures. Also how a lot of the ridiculously niche weird pervert anime is specifically intended to sell ludicrously overpriced box sets to a couple hundred shut-in nerds with no other hobbies. There actually was some shenanigans to try to prevent reverse importing of the DVDs sold at a more reasonable price to the much larger international audience.
when it comes to manga adaptations they're meant to increase sales of the manga, the sales figures of the actual anime itself don't really matter. my hero academia's blurays sell pretty badly and they obviously keep making more of that.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Endorph posted:

when it comes to manga adaptations they're meant to increase sales of the manga, the sales figures of the actual anime itself don't really matter. my hero academia's blurays sell pretty badly and they obviously keep making more of that.

Yeah I remember Chihayafuru s1 selling like complete rear end but caused a huge spike in manga sales so it got an s2 eventually.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

i'll never forget that the spark that lit the Troubles powderkeg was the guy who made the webcomic What If Charlie Brown Was Sin City That'd Be hosed Up getting banned from BSS and Some Guy TT making a rambling QCS thread concerned about Mod Flexes

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Yeah I remember Chihayafuru s1 selling like complete rear end but caused a huge spike in manga sales so it got an s2 eventually.

Weirdly opposite of how American comic books work. At least they understand loss leaders.

Kagaya Homoraisan
Aug 28, 2019

You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder
cuntellectual was also at the time an avid kiwifarms reader (which she admitted to us) and was trying to do kiwifarms lite on adtrw, which is where all those bullshit garbage posts came from when she came back. this is also why wark got outed because she was looking for dirt on the mods to satisfy her vendetta of...not liking her or letting her in a discord server lol. thats why i dont really care to remember wark because while its funny how easy he was found out, he was found out specifically as part of a smear campaign against a subforum of mostly normal people. if shes doing better now thats good though lol

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yea cuntellectual did poo poo like try and make a stink because a manga with adults loving got posted in the adtrw thread for gay manga, lol. logic like 'well the author did manga with high schoolers (that did not involve loving) so them doing this manga with adults that does have it proves theyre a pedophile.' crazy stuff

a strange fowl
Oct 27, 2022

i'd always been on the fence about fyad, until it got deleted and a strange and terrible atmosphere immediately descended on the site that lasted until their triumphant return. it is impossible to qualify what the pink place does for us, but it does something

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Kagaya Homoraisan posted:

cuntellectual was also at the time an avid kiwifarms reader (which she admitted to us) and was trying to do kiwifarms lite on adtrw, which is where all those bullshit garbage posts came from when she came back. this is also why wark got outed because she was looking for dirt on the mods to satisfy her vendetta of...not liking her or letting her in a discord server lol. thats why i dont really care to remember wark because while its funny how easy he was found out, he was found out specifically as part of a smear campaign against a subforum of mostly normal people. if shes doing better now thats good though lol

I'm reminded of how Keffals went from getting kiwifarms shut down to trying to start their own kiwifarms, there's a definite Type of people who obsess over it despite being one of the kinds of people its users want dead.

Most of SA's reputation around the internet is coloured by Helldump, and it's hard to say it wasn't earned.

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

I doubt most of the internet aware of SA even knows what helldump is or was, or any ties that phrase might have to SA. Most of SA's reputation on the internet is probably based around the dangon ronpa LPs, "that place where you have to pay for your account", general goon infamy in various MMO circles, or the vice article calling FYAD nazis that's still up.

Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Jun 16, 2023

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Most of SA's reputation around the internet is coloured by Helldump
Nah

Babe Magnet
Jun 2, 2008

not even most of SA itself knows was helldump was (it's when you remember a post)

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Helldump is for egregious strokes, that's all I know

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm reminded of how Keffals went from getting kiwifarms shut down to trying to start their own kiwifarms

wtf i definitely didn't know this sequel

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
not uncommon that people hate something because they were excluded from it rather than because they hate what it actually is

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
Zoe Quinn partnered with Lowtax to write a medium article about what it was like to be chased and harassed off the internet.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

The Saddest Rhino posted:

wtf i definitely didn't know this sequel

given that it's in the same post as "Most of SA's reputation around the internet is coloured by Helldump", i am slightly dubious

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

i think you could make the argument that sa's reputation is colored by the kind of culture that spiraled out of helldump but im pretty sure half the current sa userbase barely knows what helldump itself was

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
I do a small rueful lol at every report of "is helldumping allowed now?????" on a post with some quotes in it

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Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

you should be able to pay for an account upgrade that gives you read-only permissions for the report forum

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